Lots of talk on Soulsource about originals/Ovo/CD's and a proliferation of venues playing the music.Someone pointed out there was 92 venues last weekend alone.Do they all stick to the traditonal ethos of the scene in playing original records.I know people who have travelled miles to venues to find boots/CD's played.In know one lad who felt sorry for the organisers and gave the promoter his money back and told him to spend it on records.If you play ovo stick your nails to the mast.If you play r&b,funk,latin,northern,rare soul,ska reggae/whatever from originals post here.92 Venues Post On Soul Source.Let's see how many play original vinyl.

I Dont promote and wouldn't for all the tea in china but i could probably name a few places that dont toe the ovo line but cant be bothered similarly i'm not going to spend my entire night craining across the decks to see what every dj is playing... and after being called a soul nazi for even mentioning ovo event or trying to explain the ethos behind it i came to the conclusion it wasnt worth the bother

atb dave t

So thats no to bootlegs then.

no idea mate...ask them

Check the playlists from heywood,none ever booted from £10 to £1000,all ovo ( knew youd be all over this T )

Kindred Soul @ Bidds - goes without saying OVO

agree with you

no idea mate...ask them

now that made me laugh

Bradford EBUC plays OVO... one of the main reasons for starting this event was to play only original records (irrespective of the cost / value of the vinyl)

All DJs are told when I book them, play whatever style / tempo etc you want but it MUST be an original record! (I would never book a dj who has a reputation of playing boots)

I was absolutely sick to the back teeth of attending venues that were charging 'real' money to listen to some dimwit wannabee bootleg playing village idiot playing 'monopoly' discs. I have stopped attending so many venues because I knew boots were being played, its an insult to the paying public / soul fan!

cheers, Paul

sorry sorry sorry

not getting the ovo bragging crap

surely thats just mostly (and should be how it is)

pick your djs with integrity otherwise settle in your niche

Ghetto Soul in Southampton is the real deal in ovo and looking at the current poll, the next one there will be people queuing down the rd

they will be causing traffic jams all the way down the A34 & the M3 they will Tim

tunes from $0.25 upwards where the emphasis is on the music first and for most and yes it is defo OVO and only those that attend and get what its about get to dj and all those guests so far have dug deep and amazed us all, there is so much out there and if Ghetto Soul in its first year (4 nights so far) is anyhting to go by then the scene still has a lot more to discover and be heard by all and sundry and i for one cant wait its keeping me excited and hungry for more

oh yeah and mick h

cough cough

So thats no to bootlegs then.

yeah you could say that Wiggy

i know its off topic but these boots are for sale on here most days of the week :huh:

yeah you could say that Wiggy

SORRY AND THE ONE AND ONLY.........

MR BEARSY

PAUL....YOU PLAYED AN ABSOLUTE BLINDER ON THE SAME BILL AS THE COUNTRIES BEST....STAND UP AND BE COUNTED (YOU ARE NUMBER ????)

SPEC DUE

SORRY AND THE ONE AND ONLY.........

MR BEARSY

PAUL....YOU PLAYED AN ABSOLUTE BLINDER ON THE SAME BILL AS THE COUNTRIES BEST....STAND UP AND BE COUNTED (YOU ARE NUMBER ????)

SPEC DUE

actually thinking about it was that ted massey asking you what that tune was?

SORRY AND THE ONE AND ONLY.........

MR BEARSY

PAUL....YOU PLAYED AN ABSOLUTE BLINDER ON THE SAME BILL AS THE COUNTRIES BEST....STAND UP AND BE COUNTED (YOU ARE NUMBER ????)

SPEC DUE

and what an honour is was to be asked to play a set amongst some of the worlds best collections and their djs for soulies that all share the same passion that was all on OVO

Groovesville is what the scene IMHO should be all about take a bow the 3 Omigos

always a pleasure never a chore dude, you weren't out of place as so many would have been

nerves aside you stepped up and rocked it

yay OVO warrior, no questions asked (or needed)

actually thinking about it was that ted massey asking you what that tune was?

i cant remember to be honest i was on such a high enjoying meself too much but Ted & Spaghetti was up there on stage with me giving me moral support and i remember Spaghetti giving me the nickname "Bearsy Big Bolox" cos of some of me plays

brilliant night brilliant music brilliant atmosphere just how i like it

oh yeah....i forgot to mention john weston as a guest and dave abbott and steve csordas and rusty knickers and cliffe steele and so many more and more and more oh and steve calloway live pa..........................................god i'm boring myself now

i know its off topic but these boots are for sale on here most days of the week :huh:

we're not allowed to mention that Diddy ..... or if we do it is strongly defended as its ok to sell them coz the bootleggers have already made money off them and the sellers on here are not making profit out of bootlegs ..........although i'm still trying to work that argument out myself

we should have a burning of the bootleg records day and celebrate it annually at an allnighter lol!!

Edited October 11, 201113 yr by Mace

This subject is like an oldies night..same sh*t..played over and over again..

I see your answers are becoming a bit more brusque and a bit less friendly. Hope it's nothing I've said as I don't intend to cause offence. Final

question though: seems like you're suggesting that the NS rule re OVO

(which, for what it's worth, I support in principle) actually extends to anyone playing vinyl of any kind at any kind of event.

How's that one gonna be policed then and who's volunteering?

POLICED???

This subject is like an oldies night..same sh*t..played over and over again..

So what venue do you promote and do you play ovo?

i may be speaking out of turn here as its not my event and haven't been for some time but.....

Pete Lyster has an event in Brigwater that is strictly orig vinyl only ... and the passion the guy has plus the guests he has on plus the hospitality etc etc probably costs him more to put on than any profit he may make on the door

you are guarenteed to hear current biggies with an across the board policy that would please most i would guess.

one of the friendliest and warmest welcome i've recieved from events i've attended

think the next one is 22nd Oct ....its in the promotion headings on here ..... recommended for a cracking night out .......Ginger is in the line up

Thats certainly correct Mike..I've played there in the past and thats their policy.Original Vinyl Only.Top man all round Mr Lyster.

OVO is the only policy we have at "On The Soul Side" at Bournemouth Uni.Plus the "Ghetto Soul" boys up in Southampton play OVO.

i may be speaking out of turn here as its not my event and haven't been for some time but.....

Pete Lyster has an event in Brigwater that is strictly orig vinyl only ... and the passion the guy has plus the guests he has on plus the hospitality etc etc probably costs him more to put on than any profit he may make on the door

you are guarenteed to hear current biggies with an across the board policy that would please most i would guess.

one of the friendliest and warmest welcome i've recieved from events i've attended

think the next one is 22nd Oct ....its in the promotion headings on here ..... recommended for a cracking night out .......Ginger is in the line up

I am sure Bridgewater is a fantastic event, from what I have heard, but a great shame that the 'Brothers of Soul' will be making a one off appearance at Coventry that night and so many other events taking place...true legends of Soul Music, the guys who wrote 'I am nothing' and a one off UK appearance, I would have thought an unmissable event for serious Detroit Fans...kind of sums up the problem that we have nowadays with so many events...shit, why have I gone and posted this in the middle of another OVO debate?....

I run 'So Soulful 70's @ The Ley Inn' with Eddy Edmondson

We play 100% 70's & Crossover from the late 60's to the early 80's

All Guests (including ourselves of course!) are asked, if you haven't got it on original, then simply play summat else! Don't worry about the rarity, concentrate on the quality!

One of my other pet hates at Soul Nights (note - nights, not nighters) is hearing records more than once in that night! Again (on a different note BUT worth a thread on it's own i think?) we ask our guests that if you've already heard a particular record that night then try and play summat else in your set instead!

By doing this the wealth of records that get played ranges from £5 to £1000 BUT gives a fabulous variety for the dancers (oh yeah, that's the third request, cater for the dance floor!)

That's my twopennethworth for what it's worth

Cheers

Steve

Believe me Byrney, it aint just the East Mids..... Thankfully i dont run a club. this farce is like a 'mob' rallying together in the frankenstein movies.

Nottingham Soul Club is OVO, Cream Cracker is too! and so is the Grand Central in Skeg, probably many more

some of you lot need to get out more. Boots or not, i dare say the 'scene' will be dancing to classics long after some of you miserable bleeders have jacked!

and I'd like to know how, if you're 50 feet away from the decks, you can tell whether the guy is playing a boot or an original seeing as they sound the same.

Oh and if, let's just say for instance, one of the recognised TOP dj's play a boot, do they suddenly become persona non grata?

Believe me, I do know how passionately people feel about collecting originals but the aim of Northern Soul nights is primarily to get people to dance to the music being played - isn't it?

I know if I danced to one of my favourite records like say John & The Weirdest and it was played off a pressing, I'd just be happy to have heard it, I wouldn't have a hissy fit because it was on the wrong label. That would be just bizarre.

One of last times I played any records out was In Yorkshire [for Boxy? somewhere] and guys were coming up to the decks. I just thought they were not keen on what I was playing and coming up to check whether by the law of averages I was going to play something decent next.

Now I know they thought I was playing boots and were just checking I feel a lot better.

ROD

So what venue do you promote and do you play ovo?

Out Of The Blue Rhythm & Blues Club Manchester...OVO...integrity intact

aint we had this debate on here a few years ago ? i think it proved to be pointless because every venue in the uk claimed to play ovo there was some silly list on here with them all adding there club on to it . yet ive been to at least four of them and i knew for a fact there was boots being played but having said that i supose it did some good because 2 of them are nearly there now

Check the playlists from heywood,none ever booted from £10 to £1000,all ovo ( knew youd be all over this T )

There is another calculation possible.

Take away the ones that put the playlists up-with label info-

from those that don't ==

Salmon's doing nowt- I'll leave it to him

Tony

The calculation won`t work:-

1) Label info can be accessed/already known,

2) Cover-ups-No Way,

3) Ever ask for a list from Butch

The calculation won`t work:-

1) Label info can be accessed/already known,

2) Cover-ups-No Way,

3) Ever ask for a list from Butch

Surely Sevens or Stardust aint that hard to spell??

What's a Cover Up ??

Butch Who ???

T

Edited October 12, 201113 yr by tonyp

and I'd like to know how, if you're 50 feet away from the decks, you can tell whether the guy is playing a boot or an original seeing as they sound the same.

Oh and if, let's just say for instance, one of the recognised TOP dj's play a boot, do they suddenly become persona non grata?

Believe me, I do know how passionately people feel about collecting originals but the aim of Northern Soul nights is primarily to get people to dance to the music being played - isn't it?

I know if I danced to one of my favourite records like say John & The Weirdest and it was played off a pressing, I'd just be happy to have heard it, I wouldn't have a hissy fit because it was on the wrong label. That would be just bizarre.

Is this question for me or Parkash. If me - well the point of thread is so I can make an informed choice where I spend my readies so I'm not in the position to have to judge if its real or not from 50 feet. If Djs wanna play boots reissiues that's their choice, not going to fall out with them but it would be good if promoters are honest enough to let us know their policy eh? Why hide it?

Still a few from the East Mids missing here

Edited October 12, 201113 yr by Byrney

Is this question for me or Parkash. If me - well the point of thread is so I can make an informed choice where I spend my readies so I'm not in the position to have to judge if its real or not from 50 feet. If Djs wanna play boots reissiues that's their choice, not going to fall out with them but it would be good if promoters are honest enough to let us know their policy eh? Why hide it?

Still a few from the East Mids missing here

There will be a few missing Byrney,only a couple of clubs have ever put labels to the playlists round these 'ere parts pardner.

But then again,that was called c*ck waving by some...you just can't win.....

Is this question for me or Parkash. If me - well the point of thread is so I can make an informed choice where I spend my readies so I'm not in the position to have to judge if its real or not from 50 feet. If Djs wanna play boots reissiues that's their choice, not going to fall out with them but it would be good if promoters are honest enough to let us know their policy eh? Why hide it?

Still a few from the East Mids missing here

Just a general question really

Ideal oportunity for those that don't see the point in OVO to be honest and upfront then we can make our own minds up.

Be good to see a response from some of the East Mids clubs.

Simply look on playlists Byrney . those who do will , those who don't dare not .

Doing an hour at Blackhearts niter and mine will be OVO northern or x/over which ever the punters want . .

I hold my hands up , as in the past I was straight on the case of boots , but tbh Byrney most of the clubs in EM's are finally coming round to the real deal .

have seen playlists........where a number of tunes have been listed.......that l knew the fella never had ....they were boots ,but listed with the proper label.........how dodgy is that!!

i prefare not to list my records (but i do) i find it all a little sad like folks that write demo after the label ... also ive had one guy looking at one of my lists as i seen his name at the bottom of the page i rememberd he was on with me at the next wknd at another club . i asked the promotor on the night was i on first he said yes . with ten minuets to go promotor is back saying the guy has just asked to go on first .making some excuse he went on and then played 3quarters of the set i played the week before . dont ask me why i have no idear or maybe it was just that he had the same records anyway but i wasnt happy thats for sure

play lists prove nothing

best way to catch fakes out ......ask them where they got there records from !

Edited October 12, 201113 yr by steptoe

Because like me you are going to pay respects to some soul legends, and that will probably be a once in a lifetime oppourtunity.

See you next week bud.

I am sure Bridgewater is a fantastic event, from what I have heard, but a great shame that the 'Brothers of Soul' will be making a one off appearance at Coventry that night and so many other events taking place...true legends of Soul Music, the guys who wrote 'I am nothing' and a one off UK appearance, I would have thought an unmissable event for serious Detroit Fans...kind of sums up the problem that we have nowadays with so many events...shit, why have I gone and posted this in the middle of another OVO debate?....

Sleepless Nights: Original playlists, original vinyl

At Crystal Palace Soul we only play original vinyl.

I can't think of any do's in London that don't play proper records as it goes.

Whoops, sorry, I’m a little mixed up…………… I was looking for the “Do you serve OXO at your venue?”

Whoops, sorry, I’m a little mixed up…………… I was looking for the “Do you serve OXO at your venue?”

Take it you didn't see post 71 then Simon?

Or couldn't you read it....?

This subject is like an oldies night..same sh*t..played over and over again..

Whoops, soz Mace. Ddidn't see that one LOL

Please define "Original Vinyl Only"

Why?

Well, what if a record had a local issue in USA, then got picked up by a national label, and, also had a legitimate re release on the national label, or a subsidiary label, are these all "Original Vinyl" or only only the first local label?

Example, Ann Sexton "You've Been Gone Too Long" has 3 labels that I know of, so which one would meet the criteria?

Also, if a record was issued in the UK as 45 (due to demand) and was only available in US (or other country) as an LP track (e.g. Bobby Hutton "Lend a Hand"), the UK release is "original" as it was never released in its homeland, is it ok to play the 45 from UK as "OVO"? Same goes for the Champion etc.

Also, a legal re-issue of a big rare tune, is that allowed? e.g some of the Kent, Soul Brothers releases? e.g. this: https://www.rarenorth...ve-you/#product

Also, what about records that were never released on vynil and are only on CD as the vaults have been opened? e.g Kim Weston "Two Can Have A Party"

And what about records from other countries, is a record from Japan, Brazil, Turkey, Australia etc. are they allowed to be played as OVO?

My questions are raised, because making statements like OVO without qualifying the criterion for this is confusing. I am not asking about boots - a boot is a boot, but the examples above are genuine releases of a record where at some point hopefully the artist received something from its original sale.

Lastly, I am not trying to be smart a**e, but instead have raised the question as part of sensible discussion

Edited October 15, 201113 yr by jim g

Please define "Original Vinyl Only"

Why?

Well, what if a record had a local issue in USA, then got picked up by a national label, and, also had a legitimate re release on the national label, or a subsidiary label, are these all "Original Vinyl" or only only the first local label?

Example, Ann Sexton "You've Been Gone Too Long" has 3 labels that I know of, so which one would meet the criteria?

Also, if a record was issued in the UK as 45 (due to demand) and was only available in US (or other country) as an LP track (e.g. Bobby Hutton "Lend a Hand"), the UK release is "original" as it was never released in its homeland, is it ok to play the 45 from UK as "OVO"? Same goes for the Champion etc.

Also, a legal re-issue of a big rare tune, is that allowed? e.g some of the Kent, Soul Brothers releases? e.g. this: https://www.rarenorth...ve-you/#product

Also, what about records that were never released on vynil and are only on CD as the vaults have been opened? e.g Kim Weston "Two Can Have A Party"

And what about records from other countries, is a record from Japan, Brazil, Turkey, Australia etc. are they allowed to be played as OVO?

My questions are raised, because making statements like OVO without qualifying the criterion for this is confusing. I am not asking about boots - a boot is a boot, but the examples above are genuine releases of a record where at some point hopefully the artist received something from its original sale.

Lastly, I am not trying to be smart a**e, but instead have raised the question as part of sensible discussion

as long as the record is made legally then surely its ok to play out, sometimes you get a record that has been legally re-issued for exapmle The Trannells and why not play that out its legit but there are Original releases of that and i have a copy but i would never dream of playing it out, it was only re-issued on the popularity of the Original so does that make it right, i dont know but i can only speak for me, it can get so nit picky and its down to the individual if they want to play a legit re-issue, the OVO for me really means "no illegal boots" if you knwo what i mean,

canadian, japanese, french, german, etc etc are all legit releases as demand in them areas were there and the record companies were just trying to make as much money as possible and why not so all them are ok imho, im jsut me and aint answering for everyone else,

but on one occasion i was about to play Will Collins & Will Power - Anything i can do, on the Italian Derby label when a dj said to me "you cant play that ive got the origianl on Bare Back, wtf, thats when it pisses me off still played it though

i prefare not to list my records (but i do) i find it all a little sad like folks that write demo after the label ... also ive had one guy looking at one of my lists as i seen his name at the bottom of the page i rememberd he was on with me at the next wknd at another club . i asked the promotor on the night was i on first he said yes . with ten minuets to go promotor is back saying the guy has just asked to go on first .making some excuse he went on and then played 3quarters of the set i played the week before . dont ask me why i have no idear or maybe it was just that he had the same records anyway but i wasnt happy thats for sure

play lists prove nothing

best way to catch fakes out ......ask them where they got there records from !

playlists to me are in the main about the persons ego......like to show the world what records they have even down to wether it,s a demo or not errr!! whats that about (request ).....again playlists usually tell me where not to go........Another thing have heard prople say they don,t like this club or that especially clubs that don,t do playlists.......but they constantly ask "what they playing there"....and they only want a playlist so they can buy stuff played at said venue....even though they think the place is crap......NO PLAYLISTS.....IF YA WANNA KNOW......THEN GO!!!