Dj's I Wanna Hear Out More At Allnighters

[Guest]

I did, and have read it many times on other threads from you, but I prefer dealing in the actual rather than the abstract, I am presenting an alternative opinion, and challenging yours, but as usual you are entering the dummy spitting contest. It used to be called debate, I would have thought you would have been used to it on your previous scene,

Now grow up son, people have better things to do than follow any childish spat from us, Goodnight and god bless.

I am struggling to see your problem Jocko, I explained quite clearly the reasons why I mentioned a second guest at LL in my first reply to you. All of which you ignored, preferring instead to post in a manner designed to antagonise. As to my 'previous scene' I have not got a clue what you're on about, so assume it's just something else you have typed out with nothing to back it up.

Argue and debate away and I'll happily respond and explain my thoughts.

However I am already grown up, so don't patronise me 'dad'

[Guest Bearsy]

I hear you mate (pants are starting to chafe a bit to be honest which is possibly why I'm so miserable LOL)

Agree with some of Jock's points too.

You'd have to be pretty daft to argue that the likes of Butch, Andy D etc aren't miles ahead on the progressive score (Rob T, Adey and Andy Rix also turned unreal stuff up too of course), at least where quantity and out and out 60s tackle is concerned. They've been at it for donkeys and have put the most effort in by a country mile ...

I'd also agree with the comments about too many so-called 'progressive' nights and djs diluting rather than adding to the mix. (I think the nighter scene is really tough these days for lots of other reasons too, doesn't help though). That said, I think you can hear Butch, Andy Dyson et al on a regular basis if you want to - and why wouldn't you? That's the yardstick. I'd also like to hear Franc Giacobbe, Carl Fortnum, Chris Jones, Andy Dennison and some of the European lads more regularly too though; not because they could do what Butch and Andy do (who can?) but because I think they have something to offer. We're talking supporting cast for sure, 'ten bob' seems a tad harsh though LOL

I'd also really like to hear the main fellas do longer sets and maybe have more scope to push things from time to time.

That's what I should of wrote first time Phil lol.

[Len]

We're talking supporting cast for sure, 'ten bob' seems a tad harsh though LOL

Maybe, you've just hit the nail on the head there. Sometimes when I'm at a nighter there comes a point when I feel it would be nice to hear something a bit more obvious along with all the top tunes our 'elders' play - 'Progressive oldies' if you like. So hears the question -

Do we want to have a couple of 'supporting cast' D.J's on in between to play the records that our 'elders' don't get time to play?

I think we may be divided here, some are saying they only want to hear the top D.J's playing their rare sounds (Obviously along with whatever they reactivate) but I think some would also enjoy hearing a few tunes that don't get played much anymore. I know that's not bringing anything 'new to the table' but it will bring - "Ch*st, I haven't heard that for years, brilliant!".

All the best,

Len.

Edited August 8, 2012 by LEN

[Philt]

Sometimes when I'm at a nighter there comes a point when I feel it would be nice to hear something a bit more obvious along with all the top tunes our 'elders' play - 'Progressive oldies' if you like. So hears the question -

... I think some would also enjoy hearing a few tunes that don't get played much anymore. I know that's not bringing anything 'new to the table' but it will bring - "Ch*st, I haven't heard that for years, brilliant!".

All the best,

Len.

That's pretty much the philosophy underpinning our hopelessly amateurish and shamelessly unprogressive 'Grumpy Soul' nites Len; in a nutshell, no more and no less. If one of the guests can slip something new and good enough in then there'll be no one happier than us. If they can't no dramas, get to LL etc and soak it up, we'll see you there. Just play 'proper' records and get people dancing.

As Dirty Harry once said, "man's gotta know his limitations".

atb

Phil

[Len]

That's pretty much the philosophy underpinning our hopelessly amateurish and shamelessly unprogressive 'Grumpy Soul' nites Len; in a nutshell, no more and no less. If one of the guests can slip something new and good enough in then there'll be no one happier than us. If they can't no dramas, get to LL etc and soak it up, we'll see you there. Just play 'proper' records and get people dancing.

As Dirty Harry once said, "man's gotta know his limitations".

atb

Phil

I plan to pop along to 'Grumpy Soul' sometime purely because of the name. I like miserable looking D.J's, also if I'm growled at by the people on the door as I walk in it's a bonus as then I know it's a proper soul event - Even to this day, I still feel privileged that I'm allowed in!

All the best,

Len.

Edited August 8, 2012 by LEN

[Zed1]

That's pretty much the philosophy underpinning our hopelessly amateurish and shamelessly unprogressive 'Grumpy Soul' nites Len; in a nutshell, no more and no less. If one of the guests can slip something new and good enough in then there'll be no one happier than us. If they can't no dramas, get to LL etc and soak it up, we'll see you there. Just play 'proper' records and get people dancing.

As Dirty Harry once said, "man's gotta know his limitations".

atb

Phil

Phil....

It's really such a shame that more venues cant follow the 'Grumpy' format - not everyone on the scene want's a night of 'just' same old OR 'just' rare, so a night of a bit you know, a bit you sort of know, and a bit you don't know for me strikes the perfect balance....... after all, isn't this how it used to be?.

Looking forward to December.

[Len]

Russ, pull us back if you feel this thread is going a bit 'off topic' -

Ref, "a D.J that gets me up to dance" which was mentioned earlier, got me thinking of one of my earliest memories of a soul night and something at the time I thought was rather special but goes the complete opposite way -

It was in the 80's and I was at a soul night where this bloke was D.Jing, he had an empty dance floor for his whole set but wasn't fazed by it whatsoever. I remember actually being intrigued rather than annoyed, the man in question was Steve Smith from Gloucester and one of the records he played that really stuck out was 'Bud Harper - Wherever You Were'. The next D.J came on and of course packed the floor to something obvious for that time.

I'm sure this type of thing happened a lot back then. I remember at Cliff Steels 'Detroit Academicals' nights, there would sometimes just be a crowd standing round the decks watching the record going round - Don't ask me why, but I liked it!

I suppose that was the era where loads of new stuff was being broken, so it was quite normal for the floor to empty every so often.

All the best,

Len.

Edited August 8, 2012 by LEN

[Philt]

Not trying to plug anything there btw! I just don't think many have the tunes to be genuinely 'progressive', and certainly not on a regular basis so you've gotta cut your cloth accordingly. Theres nothing like hearing something completely new that blows you away but in the absence of that i'll go for bloody ell, I'd forgotten how good this was (and if it's a fiver better still). That's what I think one or two can and do 'bring to the table' and I'm all for em

[Guest mickeyfish58]

That's pretty much the philosophy underpinning our hopelessly amateurish and shamelessly unprogressive 'Grumpy Soul' nites Len; in a nutshell, no more and no less. If one of the guests can slip something new and good enough in then there'll be no one happier than us. If they can't no dramas, get to LL etc and soak it up, we'll see you there. Just play 'proper' records and get people dancing.

As Dirty Harry once said, "man's gotta know his limitations".

atb

Phil

well put phill and i like your thinking, never been to grumpy soul but i most certainly will in future , if i can secure a lift back home to the manchester area, getting there be no prob i would get the train

[Dekka]

Looking forward to hearing Phil at taddy in september,

he again is another DJ who's playlist I eagerly await.

Both Adam and Phil have inspired and partially redirected my record buying.

So in affect I blame them for me having no money

Both are taylor made for the nighter scene, especially the scene I like

[Roger Williams]

i was not referring to any particular dj, just that there is nothing worse than a dj doing a spot and say after 4 records he still has not got the floor and he refuses to try and rectify the situation

He simply may not know how to!!

[Guest mickeyfish58]

He simply may not know how to!!

or want to

[Philt]

That's kind Dekka but I'm not sure about that pal, not at all

All most of us do is listen to what other people play isn't it - granted, some make more of an effort to do it and some maybe develop an ear for it, hardly rocket science though.

Another reason why I like to have a listen to respected collectors and folk other than the big boys from time to time is that you've maybe half a chance of getting hold of some of what they play, for one, which appeals no end to the collector in me but it pales by comparison with hearing Butch play to and being part of a crowd that's up for it.

What the likes of mssrs Dyson, Dobson, Rix, Thomas, Croasdell, Gilly, Kitch etc have done over the years - and Anderson, Levine, Searling etc afore them - is entirely different gravy and I don't think anyone's under any illusions about that are they? Like I say, gotta know your limitations.

[Dekka]

Thats fair enough Phil

however, I heard you last year in Leeds gonna hear you again in taddy soon,

I wonder if I will change my mind, somehow I think not.

ATB Phil

[Citizen P]

_{Cant believe no one's mentioned Paul Shirley!!!, with the records he's got, he knocks spots off some of the ones mentioned on here.}

_{Also like to hear more of........}

_{Grant Rankin}

_{Derek Whatmough}

_{Sean Haydon}

_{Fred Krol}

_{Martyn Bird}

_{Chris Morgan}

_{Tony Mac (Rochdale)}

_{Col Taylor}

_{Paul Harris}

_Sandy

Sandy.. you been reading Steve's mind ???

Tony

[tim smithers]

Two names that dont get no where near enough spots

Pat Bleasdale and Kev Higham, both have choons to die for and both no how to put a set together, dont think Kev has ever been asked to dj at a niter to my knowledge, with known choons like the Ravins and plenty of quality semi / unknown 60's in his box it does make me wonder why not

Edited August 8, 2012 by chalky

[tim smithers]

Pat and Kev on the far left of pic

[Pete Eccles]

Two names that dont get no where near enough spots

Pat Bleasdale and Kev Higham, both have choons to die for and both no how to put a set together, dont think Kev has ever been asked to dj at a niter to my knowledge, with known choons like the Ravins and plenty of quality semi / unknown 60's in his box it does make me wonder why not

Edited August 8, 2012 by Pete60

[Chalky]

The Ravins was made massive by Andy Dyson. It has been about for summat like 20 years at least, it just took a while to have its day.

[Chalky]

before someone complains about a particular word one post removed, two others with the word causing a fuss edited

[tim smithers]

The Ravins was made massive by Andy Dyson. It has been about for summat like 20 years at least, it just took a while to have its day.

I am aware it has been known for some time, but not by to many people, when the first one was on ebay i was one of a handful of bidders at the time, think there was only 8 or 9 bids, because of the plays its been getting in the last 5 years and the recent kent issue ( which is a diff take ) its is now known by far more people, still a great choon

Edited August 8, 2012 by tim smithers

[Len]

Back to Russ's original question -

Roger Banks - Under rated by some people, he can do some very soulful sets so his R'n'B can be forgiven!

Bob Hinsley - Popular with everyone

All the best,

Len.

Edited August 9, 2012 by LEN

[Dekka]

Back to Russ's original question -

Roger Banks - Under rated by some people, he can do some very soulful sets so his R'n'B can be forgiven!

Bob Hinsley - Popular with everyone

All the best,

Len.

I must say, I have to agree with this

Both roger and bob, don't think they have ever been out of the scene

and as Len has indicated can turn their hand to any style and tempo with bang up to date sounds.

True gents, probs don't get the respect they deserve, but they do from me

[Guest aintgotit]

Ed battin

joel maslin

joan livesey ( as always)

stuart cheetham

ken aitchison

andy bb

andy garside

phil threllfall

All of em play the unexpected, the non conformist , underplayed ( and worth a listen), and downright danceable.

and Simon Hunt ( knew there was someone id forgotten, no offence simon i hope , cos you are right out of the top drawer in my view .

Edited August 17, 2012 by aintgotit

[burt weedon]

Mr. Searling may well be making a comeback, and good luck to him. But if Butch is struggling to find new quality 60's, then I'm not convinced anyone else [even RS] will be able to do so.

u avin a laugh its wer u look my freind...theres still 100000s to be found trust me...

[Ian Dewhirst]

I think we may be divided here, some are saying they only want to hear the top D.J's playing their rare sounds (Obviously along with whatever they reactivate) but I think some would also enjoy hearing a few tunes that don't get played much anymore. I know that's not bringing anything 'new to the table' but it will bring - "Ch*st, I haven't heard that for years, brilliant!".

All the best,

Len.

Yeah but good DJ's with nerve have always 'reactivated' tunes haven't they? Lots of previous underplayed and known tunes broke massive when they were reactivated by good DJ's at the right place at the right time. Such tunes should be part of any DJ's arsenal. Records like "Girl Don't Make Me Wait" - Bunny Sigler, "Night Owl" - Bobby Paris, "Time Will Pass You By" - Tobi Legend, "You've Been Away" - Rubin, "Your Love Makes Me Lonely" - The Chandlers, "I Still Love You" - The Seven Souls and TONS of others were all 'known' long before they ever took off. All it took was one inspired play at the right time in the right place to the right audience and boom! Suddenly a 'sleeper' for several years would be the hottest record on the scene within weeks.

However, it's pretty rare for such things to happen these days. I think it's great when 'lost' or forgotten records get revived but Butch is probably the only guy who has the available reach to make a big impact these days - the Lee Fields revival being a case in point.

But in answer to the question that the thread asks, there's loads of Northern DJ's I'd like to hear out but I won't be able to because I don't have the available time, energy and limitless resources to go to dozens of different venues to catch 'em. What the scene needs more than anything is a major venue and regular all-nighter which will attract a big audience and be a real event.This is not to knock the many regular smaller venues that feature great DJ's regularly but it strikes me that the scene is now incredibly fragmented into too many numerous regional and musical factions, so it's incredibly difficult to get any cohesive unity going.

Someone, somewhere needs to create the 2012 version of the Torch, the Casino, Cleethorpes Pier or Stafford, i.e. a venue which will attract thousands of fans on a regular basis and keep 'em happy with a rotating line-up of the country's best DJ's with guest spots for the best up and comers. And obviously no obvious oldies either as there's enough venues who cater to traditional audiences. Or is that a crazy idea......?

Ian D

Edited August 24, 2012 by Ian Dewhirst

[Len]

Yeah but good DJ's with nerve have always 'reactivated' tunes haven't they? Lots of previous underplayed and known tunes broke massive when they were reactivated by good DJ's at the right place at the right time.

Someone, somewhere needs to create the 2012 version of the Torch, the Casino, Cleethorpes Pier or Stafford, i.e. a venue which will attract thousands of fans on a regular basis and keep 'em happy with a rotating line-up of the country's best DJ's with guest spots for the best up and comers. And obviously no obvious oldies either as there's enough venues who cater to traditional audiences. Or is that a crazy idea......?

Ian D

Yes they have Ian and they still do - amongst the "ËœCut "Ëœn' Paste' D.J's there are still a few that really do play "ËœThinking Man's Tunes' and these are the D.J's I like to hear as they are really inspiring, they have the ability to make an atmosphere so much better at a venue

...Ref your "ËœBig Idea' - I think we would all love that...but yeh, it's a crazy idea ....The only way it could happen is if the huge All-nighters like Stoke were gradually moved in that direction, but why change something that already works for so many people?...

All the best,

Len

Edited August 25, 2012 by LEN

[Winnie :-)]

Yes they have Ian and they still do - amongst the "ËœCut "Ëœn' Paste' D.J's there are still a few that really do play "ËœThinking Man's Tunes' and these are the D.J's I like to hear as they are really inspiring, they have the ability to make an atmosphere so much better at a venue

...Ref your "ËœBig Idea' - I think we would all love that...but yeh, it's a crazy idea ....The only way it could happen is if the huge All-nighters like Stoke were gradually moved in that direction, but why change something that already works for so many people?...

All the best,

Len

It's surely 'catch 22' without the obvious oldies, you wouldn't attract the number of punters needed to sustain it, plus if one promoter was monopolising the event, I would guess it would lead to bitterness and backbiting, My feeling, it's a bit of a non starter these days

[Len]

It's surely 'catch 22' without the obvious oldies, you wouldn't attract the number of punters needed to sustain it, plus if one promoter was monopolising the event, I would guess it would lead to bitterness and backbiting, My feeling, it's a bit of a non starter these days

I personally think it could be done if done correctly, nice and gradual and never dropping all the oldies because don't forget they are fab sounds, so no need to lose them completely. It could be done without people actually realising, in fact I think a bit of something away from the norm would actually be welcomed by most people in any classic oldies room. It's when it goes too far the other way, is when people lose interest and stop listening.

All the best,

Len

Edited August 25, 2012 by LEN

[Russ Vickers]

Yes they have Ian and they still do - amongst the "ËœCut "Ëœn' Paste' D.J's there are still a few that really do play "ËœThinking Man's Tunes' and these are the D.J's I like to hear as they are really inspiring, they have the ability to make an atmosphere so much better at a venue

...Ref your "ËœBig Idea' - I think we would all love that...but yeh, it's a crazy idea ....The only way it could happen is if the huge All-nighters like Stoke were gradually moved in that direction, but why change something that already works for so many people?...

All the best,

Len

I think, if Kev Roberts & Richard Searling (for arguments sake), put on a bi monthly Allnighter, along the lines of which Ian D, has already mentioned, in a traditional, but medium sized venue, which was easily accessable logistically & encouraged a, shall we say, open music policy, it would give RS a platform to return to the mainstream Nighter scene as a DJ & with other DJ's like Butch, Andy Dyson, Ady Croasdell, Mick H, Keith Money, Soul Sam, Carl Fortnum (there is a great choice, not only the ones mentioned), & a couple of the young up n coming bangers, plus guests it would be monstrous.

These guys have a trusted following as promoters, but it would need a meeting of the current top promoters to sort out clashes & a way ahead...such as the meeting that allegedly took place in the 8ts between promoters to work together for the good of the scene & so everyone can get a slice of the action.....

Im not saying the current Allnighters arnt great already, but there are oldies n newies crowds, even tho some of the Nighters play a mixture of both already, the perception by both camps is they avoid some for whatever reason, I think the partnership above, could bring both camps of soulies together under one roof & on one dancefloor if thought out & done properly...if everyone was headed to one venue every two months (wouldnt it be great if it could go monthly :-))....certainly some current promotions would fall by the wayside, but if this improved the NS scene in general would it not be a good thing ????.

Best Russ

Edited August 25, 2012 by Russ Vickers

[Marc Forrest]

Pat and Kev on the far left of pic

weyhey, thats the bar at the oscar wilde...picture from our 21st anniversary last year !

[spanky]

There are many great DJ's North of the border at the moment both old and young playing a variety of 60's and 70's soul sounds. One guy in particular who has a vast record collection absolutely nailed in at Somethin's Kookin! Is Yogi Haughton (Edinburgh) Organiser and host of The Scottish Soulful Weekender in Dumfries. This guy took time out to play some quality soul to a small but perfectly informed crowd.

[Illya]

Saus 

Killa (Retired)

George Mahood

Callum Simpson

Azza

Colin Wood

Karl Heard
Pat Bleasdale

Ted Massey
Dave Abbott
Eddie Wainwright
Rich Evans
John Weston

Steve Cato

Soul Sam, Always bringing something new to the table

I was impressed by Howard Earnshaw when he DJ'ed for me the other night

Martyn Bird


 

[Geeselad]

I think, if Kev Roberts & Richard Searling (for arguments sake), put on a bi monthly Allnighter, along the lines of which Ian D, has already mentioned, in a traditional, but medium sized venue, which was easily accessable logistically & encouraged a, shall we say, open music policy, it would give RS a platform to return to the mainstream Nighter scene as a DJ & with other DJ's like Butch, Andy Dyson, Ady Croasdell, Mick H, Keith Money, Soul Sam, Carl Fortnum (there is a great choice, not only the ones mentioned), & a couple of the young up n coming bangers, plus guests it would be monstrous.

These guys have a trusted following as promoters, but it would need a meeting of the current top promoters to sort out clashes & a way ahead...such as the meeting that allegedly took place in the 8ts between promoters to work together for the good of the scene & so everyone can get a slice of the action.....

Im not saying the current Allnighters arnt great already, but there are oldies n newies crowds, even tho some of the Nighters play a mixture of both already, the perception by both camps is they avoid some for whatever reason, I think the partnership above, could bring both camps of soulies together under one roof & on one dancefloor if thought out & done properly...if everyone was headed to one venue every two months (wouldnt it be great if it could go monthly :-))....certainly some current promotions would fall by the wayside, but if this improved the NS scene in general would it not be a good thing ????.

Best Russ

I think this might of really worked a few years ago but things seemed to have moved on Russ, imho, both camps are more entrenched than the've ever been. And I just think its almost impossible to find a middle ground where the majority would be satisfied.

[Guest Bearsy]

Two names that dont get no where near enough spots

Pat Bleasdale and Kev Higham, both have choons to die for and both no how to put a set together, dont think Kev has ever been asked to dj at a niter to my knowledge, with known choons like the Ravins and plenty of quality semi / unknown 60's in his box it does make me wonder why not

Pat was superb at this years alldayer and Kev just keeps opening my ears to many a tune I don't know and also has many a rare tune in his quality collection, he don't just buy rare tunes that are expensive he finds rare tunes that are cheap or maybe they are just not known and not rare but one thing is for sure he has a very varied taste, Tim ain't to bad either and for me has been years ahead in the south and has oldies but he keeps them quiet lol