Just had a look through the events calendar via this very forum, staggering how many events, nights etc are advertised, how many of these are well attended ?, they are all valid as nobody has a right to say i can put a night on but you can't, but the very numbers suggest a fair body are some guys (girls) with a slight collection (?) and wanting to just entertain themselves and a few mates, my point is that i've always judged Soul Source as being a very current 'Soul Magazine', it certainly has over recent years seemed to attract more people, is it self defeating in just being a internet 'Whats On Guide'. I believe i can differentiate and cherry pick places to visit because i've done my homework over the years, but do people on here, who perhaps aren't as up to date and well versed, find themselves being disappointed when making an ill formed choice ?

Yes, all the time and has been discussed at length, lots of folk don't even bother going out now because it's 'imploded' - Great, now we ALL lose out - Nice one

......But I'm still hopeful that things will pan out, leaving the quality venues standing - albeit a little 'War Torn'

All the best,

Len

Edited November 20, 201212 yr by LEN

There must be at least 5 or 6 !!

There now seems to be a Weekender every Weekend, Somewhere in the World !?!?!

Some don't know when to fall on their sword.

Very valid point....I too know what I'm looking for in a soul nite/niter as I know my djs and the kinda tunes they play.....but how do others differentiate between all the nites/niters? Maybe there's an argument for only letting venues that play ovo post on SS but how would that get policed and would it really work? Do people/punters really care? Seems to me it's the same old argument - too many events.

Maybe there's an argument for only letting venues that play ovo post on SS but how would that get policed and would it really work?

:lol: :lol: 5th Post and we're onto 'O.V.O' already - Now that has got to be a record!

All the best,

Len

:lol: :lol: 5th Post and we're onto 'O.V.O' already - Now that has got to be a record!

All the best,

Len

Well how else can you separate the wheat from the chaff !!!

Might seem a bit biased here as I'm one of the event Moderators & also a close friend of the thread starter but why oh why do people constantly moan about too many events. Would rather look on the positive side & say there are the right amount of events but not enough people attending them.

Also another reason there are so many events on is the sheer diversity of nights on offer now as peoples tastes have gone off in several different directions. 30 or so years ago we all used to travel all over the place together & cram into massive halls & listen to the same music as we all had roughly the same tastes. Not any more.

Simple soloution is to get off your arses & go out & support the events that are on & that suit your tastes as you'll all miss them when they are gone.

Well how else can you separate the wheat from the chaff !!!

Stop it! - You are 'reeling' me in on an 'O.V.O' discussion - You nearly had me there because I was about to answer you!

Seriously though, someone may do their homework, know their D.J's and places etc, but no venue is guaranteed to be busy - even if ‘Jesus Christ’ himself was D.Jing!....Apparently he's got some great records - NO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE ALL BLO*DY 'O.V.O'!!!!!!!!!!!!!! — ‘The Lord Al-mighty’ has the right to choose what he plays (Save us a space in heaven 'J.C')

Len

Edited November 20, 201212 yr by LEN

_{i don't see any problem for soul source. all the posts in events section have contact details so if you are bothered about ovo or any aspect of music policy you can just ask. Whether its good for scene having lots of events competing for a few punters i don't know. Too many events may be a problem in South Yorkshire but not in South London}

Might seem a bit biased here as I'm one of the event Moderators & also a close friend of the thread starter but why oh why do people constantly moan about too many events. Would rather look on the positive side & say there are the right amount of events but not enough people attending them.

Also another reason there are so many events on is the sheer diversity of nights on offer now as peoples tastes have gone off in several different directions. 30 or so years ago we all used to travel all over the place together & cram into massive halls & listen to the same music as we all had roughly the same tastes. Not any more.

Simple soloution is to get off your arses & go out & support the events that are on & that suit your tastes as you'll all miss them when they are gone.

That’s a very good answer, covering lot's of points…....but far too sensible, so I’m going to completely ignore it! :lol:

All the best,

Len

Edited November 20, 201212 yr by LEN

Don't think there is saturation in London. Couple of nights on at the weekend, one in the West End the other N London- weekend after that 2 established nights on (Greenwich and Farringdon) plus the 100 Club all nighter, weekend after that an interesting night with what looks like a good live band Arthur Gun, following w/e the all dayer in Kentish Town then its the 100 Club xmas party, Filthy Soul all dayer and Va Va Voom NYE.

Edited November 20, 201212 yr by autumnstoned

Well how else can you separate the wheat from the chaff !!!

You are consistent I will give you that, but I suspect you are too close to the situation to actually see clearly.

Maybe if people concentrated more on quality of music rather than trying to prove points, and create a dj career out of it, the "chaff" would be irrelevant and actually woudn't be worth discussing as people would realise they live happily in their own world and have no interest or impact on the crop.

Its not rocket science, the constant bleating about OVO saving the day is so hilariously misguided, I read mostly 99% OVO playlists on here and in the majority they are boring, thoughtless and lack any sort of originality or context. Very new things appear.I do appreciate lots of wheat people don't do playlists, and i suspect they are the people to follow.

If people would just worry about going to see the right dj's in the right place at the right time and the quality should take over, but more venues lead to keep on creating internal rifts divisions and self interested scenes and less support for the quality places.

The chaff now have little or no impact on the travellers or nighters in my opinion, so unless people who are interested actually get themselves together, its over.

And before anyone says, I have been out 4 times in last 6 weeks so feel brave enough to comment, I probably won't be out that in next 12 months so will go back to being a gin soaked observer. Just thought I would provide some food for thought.

a wanabee dj cull is needed !

theres 56 approx, advertised for this saturday....... thats probably 50 more than the corresponding weekend 30 years a ago , good times eh !!

So much choice and plenty of options musically out there for peeps to make their choice, times are hard petrol expensive and many just don't want to travel so lots of local soul nights seem to give many just what they need. I used to think differently about it all but now that I'm always skint and can't afford to go where I want when I want the local soul nights are satisfying my needs even though I'm crying out for a decent nighter to let me bald head down...

we do pure soul in Nuneaton on the 1st Sat. of every month, our policy is plain & simple....no flogged to death oldies, we can get 10 to 40 people in, but the policy stays the same, we do this for the sake of keeping it alive, like we say on our thread....wherever you go , enjoy yourselfs

Stop it! - You are 'reeling' me in on an 'O.V.O' discussion - You nearly had me there because I was about to answer you!

Seriously though, someone may do their homework, know their D.J's and places etc, but no venue is guaranteed to be busy - even if ‘Jesus Christ’ himself was D.Jing!....Apparently he's got some great records - NO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE ALL BLO*DY 'O.V.O'!!!!!!!!!!!!!! — ‘The Lord Al-mighty’ has the right to choose what he plays (Save us a space in heaven 'J.C')

Len

Don't book him for the Easter Weekender though, apparently he doesn't turn up.

Having alot of events on is much better than hardly any.

theres a great choice of places to go,,music to listen to and people to meet.

we're lucky to have this music .and long may it last.

Having alot of events on is much better than hardly any.

theres a great choice of places to go,,music to listen to and people to meet.

we're lucky to have this music .and long may it last.

That’s a very good answer, covering lots of points…....but far too ‘positive', so I’m going to completely ignore it! :lol:

All the best,

Len

Edited November 20, 201212 yr by LEN

Don't book him for the Easter Weekender though, apparently he doesn't turn up.

Yeh, I know the type - Who does he think he is?!!!

Len

Edited November 20, 201212 yr by LEN

That’s a very good answer, covering lots of points…....but far too ‘positive', so I’m going to completely ignore it! :lol:

All the best,

Len

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lol len

we do pure soul in Nuneaton on the 1st Sat. of every month, our policy is plain & simple....no flogged to death oldies, we can get 10 to 40 people in, but the policy stays the same, we do this for the sake of keeping it alive, like we say on our thread....wherever you go , enjoy yourselfs

What if you chucked in a few flogged to death oldies throughout the night. It might attract a few more to your gig, and open their ears to some different stuff. Just a thought, not trying to be clever.

What difference does the amount of do's on make.......if you go to the ones YOU wanna go and leave the rest.....it matters not

Well how else can you separate the wheat from the chaff !!!

shoot the chaff!!!

Well how else can you separate the wheat from the chaff !!

Playlists.........-

Playlists -

Could some sort of icon be added to event advert stating playlist posted so you can see what was previously played at that venue ?

Playlists -

I don't think you can tell what an event is like by play lists alone, or (obviously) how many people attend.

Most people who are 'out 'n' about' know what venues are for them, but trying somewhere for the first time will always be a bit of a gamble.

All the best,

Len

So much choice and plenty of options musically out there for peeps to make their choice, times are hard petrol expensive and many just don't want to travel so lots of local soul nights seem to give many just what they need. I used to think differently about it all but now that I'm always skint and can't afford to go where I want when I want the local soul nights are satisfying my needs even though I'm crying out for a decent nighter to let me bald head down...

Very good point local clubs are great for people having a get together at weekends without having to travel miles and miles it's better than watching strictly on a Saturday night, and remember most of the people that attend club do's are the same people that attend the bigger events and weekenders. The only problem imo is when there are two do's on in the same town on the same night.

Edited November 20, 201212 yr by Paddywack

What difference does the amount of do's on make.......if you go to the ones YOU wanna go and leave the rest.....it matters not

I think it does - Some of the best venues can lack in atmosphere because of being low on numbers, which is due to those missing people having somewhere else to choose. Too many venues splinters the 'customer base'

All the best,

Len

Edited November 20, 201212 yr by LEN

…… But it’s been like this for years now and I can’t believe I’m discussing it again - Doh!

Night night.

Len

Edited November 20, 201212 yr by LEN

a wanabee dj cull is needed !

There are some good dj's coming through via local soul nites but because you don't know them you won't give them a chance?

i read the events list every week and there are loads of them up and the country ' most of these are promoted by people and their friends playing boots and reissues ' people who attends these venues are not interested what format is played they only want to hear whats coming out the speakers.

in my opinion they are killing the rare soul scene.

there only few venue's i attend LIFE LINE GRUMPY'S and RADCLIFE play decent rare stuff.

i have also attended some local do's and very quickly found out the promoters and the crowds are waste of space not knowledgeable playing crap boots and reissues ' waste of five pounds that i paid to go in.

Edited November 21, 201212 yr by giant

allowing only original vinyl collectors / dj`s to post on here would be a wrong move. i reckon it would just consolidate isolation and make them even more of a target than some already are. its about spreading the word. there are a few people commin up buying and playing records these days and maybe rely on those with a bit of knowledge to spread it around. i have been to do`s in blighty and not danced all night coz i didnt know or enjoy the music, but i have also been to do`s and not known a lot of the music but walked away with 4 or 5 i went out and bought. you could probably have a good idea of the music by the dj`s with some guys stuck in a particular time of northern so all you get is say oldies or torch / wigan sounds and others you know are going to play full on newies. interspersed with some class oldies i feel sure i could enjoy it now i can almost dance again. one weekend here we had 3 soul nights on with about 600 people in attendance over the three. its finding the right mix of people who can dj to an specific audience and not just play records that becomes a problem. the promoters are the ones taking all the risks and should feel confident in chilling out for a while confident that the guy behind the decks is going to do his job. remember there was a time when we all new nothing and wanted to learn.

One mans Wheat is another mans Chaff

At least with the multitude of events like minded people can find themselves

I wanna hear American 50's and early 60's Rythym and Blues, British Rythym and Blues and Ska,

very few places playing that, thank God for Soul Source.

I can't stand that bloody word 'WIGAN' so if i'm the Chaff then so be it, but, I know what!!

I would rather shoot the Wheat than the Chaff

I think it does - Some of the best venues can lack in atmosphere because of being low on numbers, which is due to those missing people having somewhere else to choose. Too many venues splinters the 'customer base'

All the best,

Len

Len, thats rubbish......what you're saying is.....a person will choose not to go to their fav venue and go elsewhere instead. Are we to believe folk just pick a venue regardless of line up,music policy ect ect......Oh sorry mate!! thats just what we did on saturday at soul in the bowl

Besides which most of the events listed ....l personally disregard as a matter of course which i,m sure most others do as well......line up tells me all l need to know

Edited November 21, 201212 yr by gordon russell

a wanabee dj cull is needed !

Spot on Toad :wicked: and promoters

Edited November 21, 201212 yr by soulghost

There are some good dj's coming through via local soul nites but because you don't know them you won't give them a chance?

Good Dj's will still stand the test of time

Edited November 21, 201212 yr by soulghost

the ammount of people going out every weekend around the country dancing to northern etc must be well into the thousands...remember soulsource doesnt get EVERY nite advertised on it!!..

dean

Edited November 21, 201212 yr by spacehopper

another go go blatent plug yawn yawn

the ammount of people going out every weekend around the country dancing to northern etc must be well into the thousands...remember soulsource doesnt get EVERY nite advertised on it!!..

....in the sw soul nite promoters especially next year do seem to be working together and trying not to clash...but aswell as those half a dozen nites that advertise on here there are also scooter club dos/rallys which play northern and sometimes can effect nites and now in bristol i can think of four djs who over the last year have got more and more gigs in late pubs with free entry also playing northern alongside motown ska and mod stuff to a point where there are at least two on every weekend sometimes friday and saturday...this saturday there are two of those..plus.the allnighters playing live at a club nite that plays a bit of northern and the lambretta club do which will be mainly northern

we occasionally lose some people to these events if they happen to be near us...but then again sometimes they can be the ones you want to lose!!

at the end of the day we do gogo every month and was originally just a bristol club nite playing 60s originals but over the years more and more travellers are coming to us and most are liking what we do....when other nites are on we sometimes lose a few especially as we got a lot of djs and musicians who get gigs elsewhere!... but thats life...we always have a hardcore of about 100 and always have a good nite

dean

You're gonna have to either contribute something or pass on by Mate. NO MORE CLOGGING UP THE THREAD WITH PLUGS FOR YOUR GIG.

Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

fair enough will delete was just saying how things have cjanged for us in bris

Len, thats rubbish......what you're saying is.....a person will choose not to go to their fav venue and go elsewhere instead. Are we to believe folk just pick a venue regardless of line up,music policy ect ect......Oh sorry mate!! thats just what we did on saturday at soul in the bowl

Besides which most of the events listed ....l personally disregard as a matter of course which i,m sure most others do as well......line up tells me all l need to know

I do think, say 50 people would choose to go nearer home because it's easier regardless of the line-up, and just those 50 people can make all the difference to an event.

People go on about ’freedom of choice', some even like ‘freedom of speech’ - I say ‘dictatorship’ is the way forward!

All the best,

Len

P.s - Thanks for the 'Soul In The Bowl' plug

Edited November 21, 201212 yr by LEN

Just had a look through the events calendar via this very forum, staggering how many events, nights etc are advertised, how many of these are well attended ?, they are all valid as nobody has a right to say i can put a night on but you can't, but the very numbers suggest a fair body are some guys (girls) with a slight collection (?) and wanting to just entertain themselves and a few mates, my point is that i've always judged Soul Source as being a very current 'Soul Magazine', it certainly has over recent years seemed to attract more people, is it self defeating in just being a internet 'Whats On Guide'. I believe i can differentiate and cherry pick places to visit because i've done my homework over the years, but do people on here, who perhaps aren't as up to date and well versed, find themselves being disappointed when making an ill formed choice ?

Brett, most followers of soul music are able to differentiate between the quality" venues, whether they want or are able to spend the admittance money to try something a bit different is up to them. Your point about numbers in a particular venue is I feel irrevelant as you could quite conceivably have 15 people who came to a soul night enjoy the music and space on the floor to dance and leave at the end of the night saying "yes I enjoyed that". I agree too, that there are too many venues, but again the point you make about self appointed soul nights encompassing mates running them and punters attending wanting to regularly hear vinyl from the the top 500 has little impact, as people stay local in the recession and value for money outweighs travel costs or taking a chance with a different music policy. I agree in a previous posting on here that you made when you stated soul music venues in South Yorkshire were simply not up to it in terms of quality however venues such as the Horse & Groom Doncaster, Manifesto, The Washington soul sessions would seem to disprove this statement - for myself I simply ceased waning to going out to events that played soul music by artists namely Bob Sinclair, Tom Jones, Little Richard, Paul Anka "When I get There" that are among tunes that I would question belong to any soul music genre. Still each to hs own. So now I don't go out much, preferrering to trawl the internet or staying in and listening to cd's. There are still some authentic venues that play good quality nothern and rnb tunes out there -if one of the benefits of SS is that, then a purposes is fulfilled by helping people to choose a good venue - then so be it.

Loads.

Good Dj's will still stand the test of time

Not sure thats right.......theres the most amount of rubbish dj,s who have been about years and they're getting worse

far too many do,s every weekend , which means same amount of people going to more nights there fore less at each do , causing lack of atmos

plus a lot of them playing the same 200 or so records , but you cant please everyone i suppose , used to love going out everyweekend , but now limit

my self to certain do,s that i know should please me .

Don't book him for the Easter Weekender though, apparently he doesn't turn up.

Then you'll all be cross

len's right......the header was: how many events are there.....NOT ovo wars...why have we gone off piste again??. the calender is what it is. history relates that the scene so very nearly went off the rails after the closure of the casino in 81, there was little or no appetite for plowing on when the focus of attention amounted to nothing but rubble along with the memories, yet,....here we are over 30 years later, buried under a deluge of choice...good, bad & indifferent...LEST WE FORGET, its our scene....we created it, and, is now as has always been,....OUR ESCAPE FROM MUNDANE REALITY. we need a reality check alright, what other scene HAS a calender??. im sorry if you OVO infiltrationists dont like it but....BUGGER OFF ONTO THE "WHAT'S IN YOUR BOX" THREAD IF YOU WANT TO KEEP UP THIS CHARADE!! :lol:

Brett, most followers of soul music are able to differentiate between the quality" venues, whether they want or are able to spend the admittance money to try something a bit different is up to them. Your point about numbers in a particular venue is I feel irrevelant as you could quite conceivably have 15 people who came to a soul night enjoy the music and space on the floor to dance and leave at the end of the night saying "yes I enjoyed that". I agree too, that there are too many venues, but again the point you make about self appointed soul nights encompassing mates running them and punters attending wanting to regularly hear vinyl from the the top 500 has little impact, as people stay local in the recession and value for money outweighs travel costs or taking a chance with a different music policy. I agree in a previous posting on here that you made when you stated soul music venues in South Yorkshire were simply not up to it in terms of quality however venues such as the Horse & Groom Doncaster, Manifesto, The Washington soul sessions would seem to disprove this statement - for myself I simply ceased waning to going out to events that played soul music by artists namely Bob Sinclair, Tom Jones, Little Richard, Paul Anka "When I get There" that are among tunes that I would question belong to any soul music genre. Still each to hs own. So now I don't go out much, preferrering to trawl the internet or staying in and listening to cd's. There are still some authentic venues that play good quality nothern and rnb tunes out there -if one of the benefits of SS is that, then a purposes is fulfilled by helping people to choose a good venue - then so be it.

Mickey, not quite certain when i posted this statement you have made, would you care to point me in that direction, i agree that in my case i am not a northern soul fan, my own leaning is toward rare 70's soul music, and in that case Sheffield isn't that well represented, though the venues you mention are indeed at the forefront for me in what they play, within South Yorkshire (Indeed i've played my own records at two of the events and also what i believe to be Sheffield's best rare soul night the 'Horti Soul Club'), plus the guys who run the aforementioned events are good friends of mine...Hmmm...Is this just a case of mischief making ???

In response to your second highlighted statement, didn't i read in an events lookback on this very forum that you played 'Avenues and Alleyways by Tony Christie at a local soul night, so i don't really get your logic on that one !

Please check the link below.....

Regards Brett.......I do not appreciate being misquoted....Period....

Edited November 21, 201212 yr by Brett F

Well how else can you separate the wheat from the chaff !!!

I'm voting for you SallieJane in the Soul Police elections