Pete S Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Anyone see that one which finished just now - guy said it was original, looked all the world like the first boot, Mick Smith and John Anderson both also reckon it's a boot, and it went for £160 or something like that. A true original would have fetched £600. The seller was emailed and made aware of the fact but ignored it. A complete disgrace. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Trevski Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Missed that one Pete. Got a link,can't seem to find it on a search of completed items Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dan Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Anyone see that one which finished just now - guy said it was original, looked all the world like the first boot, Mick Smith and John Anderson both also reckon it's a boot, and it went for £160 or something like that. A true original would have fetched £600. The seller was emailed and made aware of the fact but ignored it. A complete disgrace. didn't see it pete. was it a british seller? if so it's fraud and cops should be called. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted February 13, 2006 Author Share Posted February 13, 2006 Tell a lie, it went for £400.. https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...92251%26fvi%3D1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ted Massey Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Tell a lie, it went for £400.. https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...92251%26fvi%3D1 Looks ok to me Pete the colour looks slightly different to mine but that could be the camera. the killer would be if it has the famous"Pb" in the runout grooves Ted Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gene-R Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Sorry, but I have to say that it looks every bit like the styrene boot. On the original, the label is matt, a lighter tinge of blue, and has a flatter edge (with a smaller run-in space). Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted February 13, 2006 Author Share Posted February 13, 2006 Also does the orig dip down just before the centre? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Harrogatesoul Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Like that Pete ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest GrooveJunkies Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 mine dips down what do you think on this one then? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 I think the 'Right On Soul Music' in the run out groove kinda gives the game away on yours mate. Its a Boot. As is the one that just went on eBay. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
mark ellis Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Anyone see that one which finished just now - guy said it was original, looked all the world like the first boot, Mick Smith and John Anderson both also reckon it's a boot, and it went for £160 or something like that. A true original would have fetched £600. The seller was emailed and made aware of the fact but ignored it. A complete disgrace. I've got one exactly the same, bought brand new over the counter from a shop, they had a cardboard box with about 50 identical others in & the price was 99p in 1976. A couple of people have sworn blind it's an original when going through my box & wouldn't have it at first when told it wasn't. It has a monarch stamp on the run out & according to the matrix number it was pressed in the 70's. Mark. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Anyone see that one which finished just now - guy said it was original, looked all the world like the first boot, Mick Smith and John Anderson both also reckon it's a boot, and it went for £160 or something like that. A true original would have fetched £600. The seller was emailed and made aware of the fact but ignored it. A complete disgrace. I've got one exactly the same, bought brand new over the counter from a shop, they had a cardboard box with about 50 identical others in & the price was 99p in 1976. A couple of people have sworn blind it's an original when going through my box & wouldn't have it at first when told it wasn't. It has a monarch stamp on the run out & according to the matrix number it was pressed in the 70's. Mark. one of Soussans better boots??? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Morris Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Wonder if I put my boot up for sale what I'd get for it.Mines exactly the same as the one on ebay.Hmmmm!!! Dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon T Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Also does the orig dip down just before the centre? On the true originals, the slant part of the 'dip down' is almost twice the size of the remaining plateau; on the reissues they are about equal, if that makes sense? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Marc Forrest Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 (edited) As I bloody floolishly swopped my true original some years ago for one certain "newie" I can not compare anylonger but would have said from memory that the original was on vinly anyway and the one up on ebay looks like styrene...doesn`t it ? Edited February 13, 2006 by Marc Forrest Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ted Massey Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 On the true originals, the slant part of the 'dip down' is almost twice the size of the remaining plateau; on the reissues they are about equal, if that makes sense? your right Simon the drop down is 7mm and the plateau is 3mm god what a f******* anorak i am Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Speedlimit Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Anyone see that one which finished just now - guy said it was original, looked all the world like the first boot, Mick Smith and John Anderson both also reckon it's a boot, and it went for £160 or something like that. A true original would have fetched £600. The seller was emailed and made aware of the fact but ignored it. A complete disgrace. this is definate boot you can even see the monarch stamp if you blow picture up enough the guy's from notts /derby area bloody disgrace and more fool the person who brought it Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Netspeaky Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 this is definate boot you can even see the monarch stamp if you blow picture up enough the guy's from notts /derby area bloody disgrace and more fool the person who brought itI have a one-side demo copy on a pale yellow/orange colour on vinyl, anybody seen a demo before. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon T Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 your right Simon the drop down is 7mm and the plateau is 3mm god what a f******* anorak i am Hi Ted Look on the bright side, you got an original to measure, and two, you've managed to adapt to this new fangle metric measuring system! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Julianb Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Mine looks like the one in the photo but has the tiny matrix stamp on both sides and KB 200 A in the deadwax. Question:- If someone is prepared to pay that sort of money for a 45, surely they would check with the seller on all the known relevant facts as to it's authenticity ( as per Mr Maships guide) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark Bicknell Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 I have a one-side demo copy on a pale yellow/orange colour on vinyl, anybody seen a demo before. Mark is that strange speeded up version???? Mark Bicknell. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark Bicknell Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Like that Pete ? Just like mine upstairs and the one on ebay is not an original. Mark Bicknell. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Trevski Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Just got a reply back from the seller. He knows it's a boot, but says "the buyer will decide'?? also a bit of slagging etc. Basicaly, a cocky c**t who does'nt care about giving the scene a bad name! I think we should swamp his mailbox with rip-off messages Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ted Massey Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Hi Ted Look on the bright side, you got an original to measure, and two, you've managed to adapt to this new fangle metric measuring system! Hi Simon I sell machinery and used to say for a 3000x6 guillotine 10ft x6mm its the age thing Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark Bicknell Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Just got a reply back from the seller. He knows it's a boot, but says "the buyer will decide'?? also a bit of slagging etc. Basicaly, a cocky c**t who does'nt care about giving the scene a bad name! I think we should swamp his mailbox with rip-off messages Either a cocky c**t Trev or another idiot who does not know the difference????? had it been listed as a boot and then someone chose to bid over the odds then that's down to them, what a sad state of affairs when there is no challenges to these chancers. Regards - Mark Bicknell. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Trevski Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 (edited) Not an idiot who does'nt know the difference, I'm afraid, not when he mails me with this- "youve got nothing better to do come down to notts ill show you around in our city we have robin hood (the prince of thieves). we can carry this on as long as you want mate" People like this make me sick :angry: seen the buyer, paulnsoulfan, about a lot on ebay, usualy buys decent stuff. Anyone know him?? mailed him with a link to this thread, hope he refuses to pay. Edited February 13, 2006 by Trevski Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Netspeaky Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Mark is that strange speeded up version???? Mark Bicknell.It is a different mix to the Blue issue, but seems real enough being one-sided like a lot of demo's from that area of the USA. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark Bicknell Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Not an idiot who does'nt know the difference, I'm afraid, not when he mails me with this- "youve got nothing better to do come down to notts ill show you around in our city we have robin hood (the prince of thieves). we can carry this on as long as you want mate" People like this make me sick :angry: Wow Trev....people like that deserve to 'keep the faith' mate and wedge it right up where the sun don't shine, i hope the bidder don't send the wanker the money......this is wrong and something needs doing about it, ebay really need to look at all the scams and dodgy dealings on there. Regards - Mark Bicknell. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark Bicknell Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 It is a different mix to the Blue issue, but seems real enough being one-sided like a lot of demo's from that area of the USA. I seem to remember you playing it out way back and it sounded speeded up to me? Mark Bicknell. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Not an idiot who does'nt know the difference, I'm afraid, not when he mails me with this- "youve got nothing better to do come down to notts ill show you around in our city we have robin hood (the prince of thieves). we can carry this on as long as you want mate" People like this make me sick :angry: Just tell the fukcer,robin hood was never from nott`s,its just a tourist thing,like kilt`s tell him to fukc off bakc to his tree........... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Trevski Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 At last we agree on summat Ken! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dan Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Not an idiot who does'nt know the difference, I'm afraid, not when he mails me with this- "youve got nothing better to do come down to notts ill show you around in our city we have robin hood (the prince of thieves). we can carry this on as long as you want mate" People like this make me sick :angry: seen the buyer, paulnsoulfan, about a lot on ebay, usualy buys decent stuff. Anyone know him?? mailed him with a link to this thread, hope he refuses to pay. good work trev if the buyer is reading this i'll say it again, go to the cops - only way we'll ever stop this sort of thing is to make a stand. that's a straightforward fraud and what's more the seller's replies to you (trev) aggravate the offence ie he knows exactly what he's doing and is revelling in it. might even get custody for it, particularly if he's habitual, which would be nice Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Netspeaky Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 I seem to remember you playing it out way back and it sounded speeded up to me? Mark Bicknell.Mark, that's when I use to forget to turn the speed back to normal after puting up for the previous record. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark Bicknell Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Just tell the fukcer,robin hood was never from nott`s,its just a tourist thing,like kilt`s tell him to fukc off bakc to his tree........... Now, Now Kenny 'Don't Lose Your Head'.....lol Mark Bicknell. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 At last we agree on summat Ken! Agreed........ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark Bicknell Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Mark, that's when I use to forget to turn the speed back to normal after puting up for the previous record. I reckon we need to play both back to back and see/compare the difference? interesting this.....lol Mark Bicknell. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Just tell the fukcer,robin hood was never from nott`s,its just a tourist thing,like kilt`s tell him to fukc off bakc to his tree........... Infact he`s full yorkshire,so the historians say. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gasher Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 He should be aptly named "Mr LOSER" what a c***.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Netspeaky Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 (edited) I reckon we need to play both back to back and see/compare the difference? interesting this.....lol Mark Bicknell.I play it to back to back with Small Paul's, it's different mix no doubt about that, Paul seems to agree that it's real. I sent a scan to Greg Tormo years ago when he did an article on his site, he said it seemed real enough from the scan and the info I forwarded to him. I have asked around various people no one seems to have seen a similar copy. I've had the record since the mid 1970's, bought it off Dia Hamilton from Holywell North Wales. Edited February 13, 2006 by Netspeaky Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark Bicknell Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 I play it to back to back with Small Paul's, it's different mix no doubt about that, Paul seems to agree that it's real. I sent a scan to Greg Tormo years ago when he did an article on his site, he said it seemed real enough from the scan and the info I forwarded to him. I have asked around various people no one seems to have seen a similar copy. I guess it could be authentic 'Mr Loser' was yellow was it not???? so you may very well have a gem there Mark. Mark Bicknell. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Trevski Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 RESULT!!! Buyer mailed me, and WILL NOT be buying it now, thanks to info supplied via this link Well done guys There seems to be so much of this going on now, e-bay need to hire an expert to vet stuff before it gets put up... but of course, they really don't give a shit :angry: Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark Bicknell Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 RESULT!!! Buyer mailed me, and WILL NOT be buying it now, thanks to info supplied via this link Well done guys There seems to be so much of this going on now, e-bay need to hire an expert to vet stuff before it gets put up... but of course, they really don't give a shit :angry: I'm gonna make some noise about this on my show in the next couple of weeks, you are so right Trev Ebay don't give a shit, but they bloody well should they make enough fucking money out of people for fee's etc. but never any support or protection from them when it goes tits up! Mark Bicknell. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 I'm gonna make some noise about this on my show in the next couple of weeks, you are so right Trev Ebay don't give a shit, but they bloody well should they make enough fucking money out of people for fee's etc. but never any support or protection from them when it goes tits up! Mark Bicknell. Sent in you`re CV yet then Mark?........ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark Bicknell Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Sent in you`re CV yet then Mark?........ CV Kenny...that's a swear word to you ain't it?...lol anything to do with working...lol Mark Bicknell. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 CV Kenny...that's a swear word to you ain't it?...lol anything to do with working...lol Mark Bicknell. Your mixin`it up with CD Mark........... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark Bicknell Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Your mixin`it up with CD Mark........... CD????? you said CV mate...sorry........time for bed me thinks. Mark Bicknell. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 they make enough fucking money out of people for fee's etc. Mark Bicknell. That's exactly the point Mark - they're making money and the noise about this type of stuff is not even getting on the radar. Well done to Pete S and Trevski - Pete S for exposing it in the first place and Trevski for pursuading the buyer not to go through with the sale. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted February 14, 2006 Author Share Posted February 14, 2006 That's exactly the point Mark - they're making money and the noise about this type of stuff is not even getting on the radar. Well done to Pete S and Trevski - Pete S for exposing it in the first place and Trevski for pursuading the buyer not to go through with the sale. Cue death threats to me from the seller... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Harrogatesoul Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Maybe the (ex) buyer should post a negative feedback regarding this disc so anyone reading it will think twice about bidding on any ( potential ) similar items. Rich Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dan Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 (edited) i have a few mates on various papers. if someone can pull together the various recent scams, and would be prepared to talk to a paper, on the record and with some sort of authority, about this i could have a go at getting some publicity. no guarantee they would be interested but it sounds like a story to me. 'fraudsters target ebay record nonces', that sort of thing would ideally need to be a dealer so pete, jm, someone like that?? only a thought, understand if don't want to put heads above parapet. Edited February 14, 2006 by Dan Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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