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      Found them in a shop in Essex...the shop owners mate had married into the family of the label owner. It was a previously non-distributed single that had "sat in his attic"...allegedly. M

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    I've got a tape somewhere from the Yarmouth TAC weekender, about 1991 and I'm sure Guy played it as by Eula Cooper on that. I'll have to dig it art. Jim

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Nope, but the release was always said to not have come out, or got released in the normal way, most if not all the copies in circulation came direct from the label owner, not via the retail route as it were, Pete S knows about this one more....

Mal

Only pressed late 80s, early 90s after plays from an unreleased acetate. No genuine sixties release.

Only pressed late 80s, early 90s after plays from an unreleased acetate. No genuine sixties release.

 

 

Weren't they pressed somewhere in this country?

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Sounds about right cos I got one from Rudzy in the 90's for 7 quid and thought it was a boot. But in recent times goes for a little more methinks.

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Sounds about right cos I got one from Rudzy in the 90's for 7 quid and thought it was a boot. But in recent times goes for a little more methinks.

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I've seen it for well into three figures at times.

funnily enough an american seller was auctioning one on ebay recently, not something you see often, made me wonder how it found it's way back across the ocean

David Flynn is the guy who knows about this one  :yes:  :yes:  :yes:

 

Cheers

 

Richard

 

Found them in a shop in Essex...the shop owners mate had married into the family of the label owner. It was a previously non-distributed single that had "sat in his attic"...allegedly. Mind you, the print layout and vinyl always made me think it was not a vintage press of a previously unissued track. There were around x200 copies as I recall. Great tune, mind!

 

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David Flynn is the guy who knows about this one  :yes:  :yes:  :yes:

 

Cheers

 

Richard

 

 

Found them in a shop in Essex...the shop owners mate had married into the family of the label owner. It was a previously non-distributed single that had "sat in his attic"...allegedly. Mind you, the print layout and vinyl always made me think it was not a vintage press of a previously unissued track. There were around x200 copies as I recall. Great tune, mind!

 

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Told you it was Flynny who knew the source  :thumbsup:

 

Cheers

 

Richard

Found them in a shop in Essex...the shop owners mate had married into the family of the label owner. It was a previously non-distributed single that had "sat in his attic"...allegedly. Mind you, the print layout and vinyl always made me think it was not a vintage press of a previously unissued track. There were around x200 copies as I recall. Great tune, mind!

 

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What a strange story - tell us more!

 

Which shop was it, and who was the shop owner's mate? Were the 200 copies just sat there waiting for someone to come along and find them? How long had they been there? Why only 200? 

 

It must have been some kind of repress, or else for such a top tune it would have been selling for much more than say £7 from Rudzi - it would surely have been one of the great finds of the era?! And if it was a repress why didn't the shop owner's mate press up another 200 when the first lot sold? 

 

Then again the plot thickens, as Gareth says it was played off an acetate then pressed. Is that correct, and if so who has the acetate? 

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Eugene Davis the owner of Crow/Flaming Arrow and Guy Hennigan was the first to get to him I believe. Guy got the first two Joseph Webster's and he alos got the Nancy Butts acetate/tape. 

 

I know Guy had a load of the Nacy Butts, did you off load them to Guy David!

Is this the same song that's also known as "I Want To Hold Your Hand"?

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Yes, as below - strange title given that it doesn't really say that

 

 

Sounds better every time I listen to it

Thanks Chris. Yeah, I love it too.

What a strange story - tell us more!

 

Which shop was it, and who was the shop owner's mate? Were the 200 copies just sat there waiting for someone to come along and find them? How long had they been there? Why only 200? 

 

It must have been some kind of repress, or else for such a top tune it would have been selling for much more than say £7 from Rudzi - it would surely have been one of the great finds of the era?! And if it was a repress why didn't the shop owner's mate press up another 200 when the first lot sold? 

 

Then again the plot thickens, as Gareth says it was played off an acetate then pressed. Is that correct, and if so who has the acetate? 

 

Carmel records in Westcliff, run by Paul Despi. That's where I got my first copy back in the 80's..

Carmel records in Westcliff, run by Paul Despi. That's where I got my first copy back in the 80's..

 

Here's a link to an old thread on this... :thumbsup:

I used to get hand written lists from Paul Depsi around 1984/5. Lots of great stuff there and I dread to think of the stuff I passed on because I didn't know them at the time. I was only in my early teens so £8 for a "Quick Change Artist" on Karen was a big ticket purchase for me at the time. Especially as my mates only bought stuff on reissue labels like Inferno, etc.

Here's a link to an old thread on this... :thumbsup:

Thanks for this link - still confused though as to why if only 70 or so US copies were found they ended up going so cheap in the first place - I remember them quite regularly on lists c. 1993 at £20-25 which always suggested to me that there were plenty around, though of course it was a very different market then in terms of pricing. Wish I had bought one then!!

What a strange story - tell us more!

 

Which shop was it, and who was the shop owner's mate? Were the 200 copies just sat there waiting for someone to come along and find them? How long had they been there? Why only 200? 

 

It must have been some kind of repress, or else for such a top tune it would have been selling for much more than say £7 from Rudzi - it would surely have been one of the great finds of the era?! And if it was a repress why didn't the shop owner's mate press up another 200 when the first lot sold? 

 

Then again the plot thickens, as Gareth says it was played off an acetate then pressed. Is that correct, and if so who has the acetate? 

 

Kinda already answered here and within the original thread, but yes Paul from Carmel Records in Westcliff-On-Sea...lovely chap...used to work for Parrot Records for those that remember that East Anglian/Essex chain of stores.

 

I bought a couple of boxes as I recall and was banging them out for £40 each...and cheaper with the last few (think Rob Messer may have also had a few?). There wasn't much demand for many years and didn't really cause a stir again until it appeared on the main auction site...and then it all went crazy. As to whether the buyer knew it's actual history is open to debate!

 

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Thanks for this link - still confused though as to why if only 70 or so US copies were found they ended up going so cheap in the first place - I remember them quite regularly on lists c. 1993 at £20-25 which always suggested to me that there were plenty around, though of course it was a very different market then in terms of pricing. Wish I had bought one then!!

 

Simply lack of demand...£40 was the top price I got for them...plus folk quickly realised that they were a modern-day press and were worried there were going to be 1000's about to flood the market...Chinese whispers and all that! I didn't even keep one myself!

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If there are supposedly 70-80 "original US copies" (implying there is a 1960s original) I'd love to see one. I think people are getting their wires crossed.

 

Flaming Arrow was still an active label releasing new music in the late '80s. As for these being pressed in the UK I don't think that's the case. My own copy is long gone but nothing about it suggested a UK pressing.

 

I think Eugene Davis pressed them in the US and had them shipped to Britain as a job lot.

If there are supposedly 70-80 "original US copies" (implying there is a 1960s original) I'd love to see one. I think people are getting their wires crossed.

 

Flaming Arrow was still an active label releasing new music in the late '80s. As for these being pressed in the UK I don't think that's the case. My own copy is long gone but nothing about it suggested a UK pressing.

 

I think Eugene Davis pressed them in the US and had them shipped to Britain as a job lot.

They have GM scratched in the run-out groove.  I think that may be a US pressing plant!

I remember (Chicago) Shane had copies too ...guess he was a regular at the shop because he was from Westcliff on Sea

Covered up as Eula Cooper I seem to recall.

Jim

was covered up as Linda Jones was,nt it Jim

 

 

I'm going to find my copy over the weekend, if I remember, and have a good look at the vinyl, label paper, print quality/fonts, deadwax markings etc. and see if that suggest anything about when and where this was pressed.

 

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https://www.sirshambling.com/artists_2012/B/nancy_butts/index.php

 

Nancy Butts info on Sir Shambling. Seems to say it was issued in the US when recorded, any comments?

 

Great record, remember Richard Searling playing it on his Sunday radio program.

 

Rick 

John Ridley's site is generally a brilliant undertaking. There's a wealth of invaluable information there, but on the 'Northern' side of things his information can sometimes be a bit sketchy. I think he's placing it there in the discography because of the catalogue number.

Either way  it's 25 years old at least.. And they were around 20/25£. Cheapest I saw was£15... By mid 90s they totally disappeared ...as is recall price steadily increased up to about £120... Henry Atkinson had and sold it at that at the time (2005)......then JM auctions a copy.. Went for something like £500.. Back at about 200 now tho isn't it

KOSHER (i think)

 

Vinyl looks about right for a late 60's / Early 70's

 

GM in the run out...Very Nice

 

My copies came from Dave Flynn while on one of his many missions as a Charly Rep.

 

Wonderful,Wonderful record and a Top Spin for me in the 90's.

Price can only go higher.

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Is my copy for sale?

NOT ON YOUR NELLY :lol:

 

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    I've got a tape somewhere from the Yarmouth TAC weekender, about 1991 and I'm sure Guy played it as by Eula Cooper on that.

    I'll have to dig it art.

    Jim

    I've got a tape somewhere from the Yarmouth TAC weekender, about 1991 and I'm sure Guy played it as by Eula Cooper on that.

    I'll have to dig it art.

    Jim

     

     

    I'd love to hear the tape Jim and any others.  :thumbsup:

     

    PS It was Eula Cooper as far as I was aware although I think most knew who it was.  Linda Jones at around the same time was Lorraine Rudolph maybe although that was uncovered by the time of the Weekenders.

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    On the same tape Guy played Glenn Watts ' Money gives dignity' covered up as Russ Lewis!

    It's all smoke and mirrors this soul mullarkey;)

     

     

    My copies came from Dave Flynn while on one of his many missions as a Charly Rep.

     

     

     

    And those visits were always a laugh...always enjoyed rummaging through your shelves, Paul...happy days!

    Would usually pop in and see Steve Smith over in Kettering on the drive back from Leicester as well!

     

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    KOSHER (i think)

    Vinyl looks about right for a late 60's / Early 70's

    GM in the run out...Very Nice

    My copies came from Dave Flynn while on one of his many missions as a Charly Rep.

    Wonderful,Wonderful record and a Top Spin for me in the 90's.

    Price can only go higher.

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    Is my copy for sale?

    NOT ON YOUR NELLY :lol:

    Got mine off you in shop during break at uni (poly at the time). Remember Steve but not Flynny

    Yes i remember you well Rob.

     

    Nice One.

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    Also bought the Caressors I can't stay away and sold it to Jonah on way home. Bad day that was as only gave you £80 and sold it for £90

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    And those visits were always a laugh...always enjoyed rummaging through your shelves, Paul...happy days!

    Would usually pop in and see Steve Smith over in Kettering on the drive back from Leicester as well!

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    also liked trawling through boxes, but rarely found the ones I wanted as others also wanted them. However, lots of bargains to be had, time is right for love £20, stronger than her love issue £30, put me in your pocket (issue) £30, can't be still issue £10. Apologies for diverting. Regards

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