Comedy or Irony ?

John Manship’s current auction , nestling amongst the rare soul and Jamaican reggae a copy of Skrewdriver’s “White Power” EP

Pardon my French but

GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK !!!! WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK!!!!

1 hour ago, polyvelts said:

Comedy or Irony ?

John Manship’s current auction , nestling amongst the rare soul and Jamaican reggae a copy of Skrewdriver’s “White Power” EP

Pardon my French but

GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK !!!! WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK!!!!

Really?  I can't see it

Edited January 23, 20187 yr by Pete S

I saw that as well

I can't see it 

34 minutes ago, polyvelts said:

Comedy or Irony ?

John Manship’s current auction , nestling amongst the rare soul and Jamaican reggae a copy of Skrewdriver’s “White Power” EP

Pardon my French but

GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK !!!! WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK!!!!

Just saw this. Shameless.

Just now, chris o said:

Just saw this. Shameless.

How come you can all see it but I can't..

1 minute ago, Pete S said:

How come you can all see it but I can't..

I can’t see it on phone ap.

i

2 minutes ago, Pete S said:

How come you can all see it but I can't..

its on his mailout from the last hour

 

yes listed on the email, £43 bloody hell

Edited January 23, 20187 yr by Shufflin

46 minutes ago, chris o said:

i

its on his mailout from the last hour

 

Yes you are indeed correct

Skrewdriver 
White Power E.P. / Smash The I.R.A. / Shove The Dove

Skrewdriver 
White Power E.P. / Smash The I.R.A. / Shove The Dove

Current Bid: £43.00

People do collect all sorts of different things though, I know someone on here who used to collect those Confederate singles

Edited January 23, 20187 yr by Pete S

Is it a dancer?

Edited January 23, 20187 yr by Pete S

1 hour ago, polyvelts said:

Comedy or Irony ?

John Manship’s current auction , nestling amongst the rare soul and Jamaican reggae a copy of Skrewdriver’s “White Power” EP

Pardon my French but

GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK !!!! WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK!!!!

 

Please say this is a (bad) joke? 

Anyone who feels like I do should message John and let him know how they feel about this. Some people have no morals.

Tomo

Fair play to J Manship for withdrawing the screwdriver 45 from sale.

25 minutes ago, chris o said:

Fair play to J Manship for withdrawing the screwdriver 45 from sale.

Should never have listed it in the first place....

2 hours ago, dylan said:

Should never have listed it in the first place....

Word.

On 1/23/2018 at 19:51, Pete S said:

 

gobsmacked 

john took it off the listing and said sorry for the mistake

13 hours ago, algsoul said:

john took it off the listing and said sorry for the mistake

hardly a mistake, he knew what he was trying to sell.....the clues in the title

Should anybody buy or sell perceived racist material?

James Coit?

The checkmates Ltd?

Black power movement?

Obviously a market for all kinds of stuff like this. 

Ed

23 minutes ago, tomangoes said:

Should anybody buy or sell perceived racist material?

James Coit?

The checkmates Ltd?

Black power movement?

Obviously a market for all kinds of stuff like this. 

Ed

You can't seriously compare the two. Black Power acts on self love and equality, the other on hate and supremacy.

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The posts above have been split from the original long running 'comedy' sales topic
 

 

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, The Zodiac Club said:

You can't seriously compare the two. Black Power acts on self love and equality, the other on hate and supremacy.

not sure Malcolm X or the panthers were too fussed about love and equality myself, get your point tho entirely

On ‎24‎/‎01‎/‎2018 at 11:19, dylan said:

Should never have listed it in the first place....

I would have thought a man like Mr Manship could and should have had the judgement to know selling this was wrong. Even if it came into his possession I'm sure he had contacts in other specialist collecting fields where he could have disposed of this item without offending the mainstay of his customers. I don't know but if after how long he's been record trader I'd say it was rather odd if he didn't have contacts to trade or pass this onto! However the guy wilfully made a discerned choice to get the best possible price by auctioning it himself. I'd say that's really, really distasteful given the context, as bad a Kosher butcher selling bacon or the Greg's Sausage roll Messiah. All done in the name of greed!

1 hour ago, geeselad said:

I would have thought a man like Mr Manship could and should have had the judgement to know selling this was wrong. Even if it came into his possession I'm sure he had contacts in other specialist collecting fields where he could have disposed of this item without offending the mainstay of his customers. I don't know but if after how long he's been record trader I'd say it was rather odd if he didn't have contacts to trade or pass this onto! However the guy wilfully made a discerned choice to get the best possible price by auctioning it himself. I'd say that's really, really distasteful given the context, as bad a Kosher butcher selling bacon or the Greg's Sausage roll Messiah. All done in the name of greed!

It seems to me he will put anything on his site if he thinks he can make a Buck. 

5 hours ago, The Zodiac Club said:

You can't seriously compare the two. Black Power acts on self love and equality, the other on hate and supremacy.

You must be deluded. Black Power, White Power, Religious Power, Ethnic Power, in fact any group who advocate hate of another group are all bad imo.

Luckily most folks just want to live and let live.

Ed

 

43 minutes ago, tomangoes said:

You must be deluded. Black Power, White Power, Religious Power, Ethnic Power, in fact any group who advocate hate of another group are all bad imo.

Luckily most folks just want to live and let live.

Ed

 

Black power is not separatist or racist. It is for the social and political empowerment of black people who have been subject to racial prejudice for centuries. It's not black supremacy or hatred of other races. White power is the call for separation of the races and the ideology that other races are inferior.

Really?

One racist is as bad as another as far as I can see. 

Ed

1 hour ago, The Zodiac Club said:

Black power is not separatist or racist. It is for the social and political empowerment of black people who have been subject to racial prejudice for centuries. It's not black supremacy or hatred of other races. White power is the call for separation of the races and the ideology that other races are inferior.

Thought malcolm x did advocate racial segregation?

3 minutes ago, tomangoes said:

Really?

One racist is as bad as another as far as I can see. 

Ed

Better put than my comment 

1 hour ago, The Zodiac Club said:

Black power is not separatist or racist. It is for the social and political empowerment of black people who have been subject to racial prejudice for centuries. It's not black supremacy or hatred of other races. White power is the call for separation of the races and the ideology that other races are inferior.

Well to part one's "intention" from the "name/word" one's attribute himself and so it's "meaning" even when put in "context" is the intellectual effort that in my experience only serves to dazzle the minds. It's human history in politics that ! Pervertion and indignation, lie, disgrace, worship, sacralize, idolize, colonize...

In my experience, lived in immigrant neighborhood for "ever", I can tell you racism is not relevant to the whites only nor it is some modern western culture that got depicted onto the other countries cultures... It's anqered in human culture amongst the majority of individuals in most societies since about ever or so...

The Black Panther community social project that it was for the "originators" of the movement and that got shipwreck from the outside and the inside was at first intended toward "solidarity and awareness". And to me that distinguishes them from "White Power" as that has nothing but hate for all that is not white or western.

And so, yes "Black Power" became more and more a scream of individualistic frustration and defiance than a statement of empowerment IMO. If not the tone would be very different I am sure of that. I always found it a bit difficult even to dance to JB's "say it loud" since you can only be proud of an achievement not of what you are...

Does nobody have the benefit of doubt anymore. Hes apologised what more do you want the bloke to do.

It's not the benefit of the doubt that is at stake here nor am I accusing JM of any "sacred" salesman ethic trespassing. He retracted and apologized. Good enough for me. Only I've seen so many of these sold on decades ago and I am not in shock seing this now even on his records auction "window" next to other kin. Sorry but true.

Never I wanted to touch, deal or look at any of those N.S., R.A.C. or white noise records. They are an embarrassment and JM got that reminded. At the same time let's not get so politically correct at once and forget under that assumption that "hate" promoting artists are only them those fascist caricatures of themselves. Keep an Ear !

1 hour ago, geeselad said:

Thought malcolm x did advocate racial segregation?

For a short time he did, as did Stokely Carmichael but he also said this:

To be honest Malcolm x's (and the nation of islam) views have never sat well with me. The black power movement is much more multi faceted than the white power movement which has always been in favour of segregation and oppression by violent means.

The black panther movement never supported segregation.

The black power movement may not have been perfect and had internal differences of opinion but the ku klux clan, national front or Nazis they were not. IMO that's why I don't think they are comparable.

Edited January 30, 20187 yr by The Zodiac Club

4 hours ago, The Zodiac Club said:

For a short time he did, as did Stokely Carmichael but he also said this:

To be honest Malcolm x's (and the nation of islam) views have never sat well with me. The black power movement is much more multi faceted than the white power movement which has always been in favour of segregation and oppression by violent means.

The black panther movement never supported segregation.

The black power movement may not have been perfect and had internal differences of opinion but the ku klux clan, national front or Nazis they were not. IMO that's why I don't think they are comparable.

Thanks for the insight, Im certainly no social history expert, and I respect your views. For me the poor:white, black and every shade betwixt have been sold down the river politically by left right and centre.

I think we're losing sight of the fact that Screwdriver are hate mongering fascist scum and should not be conflated with movements promoting civil rights and respect for self and others (sometimes rightly in anger) in a country we all know too well has never respected black culture and people. 

Dx

Edited January 30, 20187 yr by DaveNPete

34 minutes ago, DaveNPete said:

I think we're losing sight of the fact that Screwdriver are hate mongering fascist scum and should not be conflated with movements promoting civil rights and respect for self and others (sometimes rightly in anger) in a country we all know too well has never respected black culture and people. 

Dx

Exactly, apartheid has always been associated with South Africa  but for some reason the USA has escaped the accusation

7 hours ago, DaveNPete said:

I think we're losing sight of the fact that Screwdriver are hate mongering fascist scum and should not be conflated with movements promoting civil rights and respect for self and others (sometimes rightly in anger) in a country we all know too well has never respected black culture and people. 

Dx

 in a country we all know too well has never respected black culture and people. 

Dx - are you really saying that the whole of Britain (country) has never respected black culture and people - to make it simple please answer Yes or No 

 

 

20 minutes ago, ZoomSoulBlue said:

 in a country we all know too well has never respected black culture and people. 

Dx - are you really saying that the whole of Britain (country) has never respected black culture and people - to make it simple please answer Yes or No 

 

 

I think he is talking about the U.S.A. not Britain.

Er we've been talking about Malcolm X, The Black Panthers and The Nation of Islam. Dx

The topic is about whether people like JM should sell anything perceived as racist or other hateful material.

You would assume no is the common answer, since one of the attributes of this 'soul scene' is to welcome all like minded folks regardless of colour, creed, origin etc.

Ed 

8 hours ago, DaveNPete said:

Er we've been talking about Malcolm X, The Black Panthers and The Nation of Islam. Dx

So that's not a no 

Its just a record