WHEN WE GO OUT TO A NORTHER SOUL NIGHT,  ITS FOR THE TUNES OF OUR YOUTH

THE MEMORIES OF  THE CLUBS WE WENT TO , AND THAT IS THE TRUTH

BUT SOME DJ’S  DONT SEEM TO KNOW,  THAT IS WHAT NORTHERN SOUL IS ABOUT

ITS FOR  THE PUNTERS ENJOYMENT,  OF THAT THERE IS NO DOUBT

 

 

WE DONT WANT TO BE EDUCATED ABOUT A “B” SIDE, SOMEONE HAS FOUND

OR TOLD THIS IS GONNA BE, THE BIGGEST SOUND AROUND

DANCEFLOORS ARE OFTEN EMPTIED, WITH A TUNE  THE DJ NEEDS TO SHARE

THEY THEN TURN THEIR BACKS ON THE DANCEFLOOR,  WHERE DANCERS ONCE WHERE

 

 

 DOESNT TAKE LONG TO GET THE FEEL,  OF WHAT IS POPULAR IN A PLACE

AND THE  DANCEFLOOR WILL FILL, LEAVING  HARDLY ANY SPACE

NEVER  IGNORE THE DANCERS WHO  LEAVE,  WHEN A TUNE YOU PLAY

 IT  MEANS THEY DONT LIKE IT,  TAKE IT OFF THEY ARE TRYING TO SAY

 

 

HOW MANY “CAN’T DANCE DJ’S”,  THINK ITS  ALL  ABOUT “ME”

THE TRUTH IS THAT MORE WRONG, THEY JUST CANNOT BE

PLAY THE TUNES THAT GET THE PUNTERS,  OUT ON THE FLOOR

THEY PAY THE MONEY, THEY ARE MORE IMPORTANT I’M SURE

 

 

WITHOUT THESE DANCERS, NORTHERN SOUL WOULD NOT BE

AND DONT THINK THAT THIS POEM,  IS ONLY THE THOUGHTS OF ME

DJ’S PROVIDE A SERVICE,   ABOUT THEM IT IS NOT

BUT BECAUSE THEY PLAY THE TUNES,  A RESPONSIBILITY THEY HAVE GOT

 

AND FINALLY WE DONT NEED SLOWIES,  AT THE END OF THE NIGHT

WE ARE NOT OLD AND FRAIL, AND ALL LOSING OUR SIGHT

MOST LIKE A DANCE AFTER A FEW DRINKS, THAT IS TRUE TO SAY

SO THE LAST HOUR IS THE TIME,  WHEN THE BIG TUNES  YOU SHOULD PLAY

 

 

SO KEEP THE DANCERS DANCING,  ITS  WHAT YOUR PAID TO DO

TOO MUCH CHANGE AND THERE WILL BE NO ONE,   TO DANCE FOR YOU

WE DONT NEED EDUCATING,  OR TELLING WHATS GOOD

JUST PLAY THE RECORDS,   THE WAY THAT YOU SHOULD

What a lovely thread! Great to see folks exploring their creative bent! 

43 minutes ago, Twoshoes said:

Here goes nothing.........

 

                Personal Heaven

Underground in the Catacombs they gather as one,

stood before the altar they applaud the high priest,

with open ears they listen to the scriptures,

it’s their religion, some would claim it to be a way of life,

a ritual clap at a given point signals togetherness,

they will be forever young, the faithful,

 

somewhere far distant

the high priests search out scriptures new,

 unwittingly they and others like them

reap the bible, the Holy Grail, the Book of Kev,

 

time passes, adulthood takes it’s toll,

some fall by the wayside to procreate, find pastures new,

the faithful carry the torch in their hearts,

lighting the underground, gathering in smaller numbers

once more a mystery, an enigma to the masses.

 

Years roll by, children grow , the fallen return,

seeing a lifeline, a memory, a chance to recapture

a time passed, priests spring out of the woodwork,

altars become numerous, clothed in old vestments

 weekends are spent in mass worship where scriptures from the book of Kev are

oft repeated.....

 

elsewhere in the dead of night the faithful respect

yet bury the past ,

in darkened rooms dancing to a different tune,

one religion, two faiths reading from different books,

one open

one closed,

 

time passes by  slowly,

unnoticed scriptures from the new religion

 slip between the pages of the Book of Kev,

 gain acceptance on the floor of God

where all who worship find their own place,

their own personal  Heaven.

Very profound, but where do you stand on the great talc debate?

We all love northern and it covers a wide range of sounds. Boring if we agreed on everything .more people than ever turning up something must be right. Dying away my arse.

"I rush headlong down a dark aural tunnel

Bloody ragged nails down the blackboard of life

Silent screams echo in the primordial night

The clash of despairing cymbals."

 

A short tribute to funky-edge by Ezra Poundshop

Edited April 12, 20187 yr by modernsoulsucks

1 hour ago, tomangoes said:

The answer is obvious.

Silent disco.

Pre load the songs you want to hear over the soul night(er) in your personal head set, and let rip on the dance floor. Dance floor is split 50/50 talc / non talc.

If you are feeling adventurous you can always swap head sets! Or even have one foot in the talc and one foot out.

Simples.. No doubt this will now occur and it can be referred to as the please everybody formula..

Ed

 

with sincere apologies to John Keats

To Northern

 

Into misty clouds of autumn grey, and Mello Souls of fruitfulness

Close bosom-friend of the maturing Sunlovers

Constellations of him, of how I've Been Blessed

With fruit of The Vines that After the Rain down the thatch-eves run;

To bend with Adam's Apples where Love Comes Tumbling Down,

And fill all fruit with Grapevine to the core;

 

 

Who hath not seen thieves amid thy record store?

Sometimes whoever seeks abroad may find

Records sitting careless on a warehouse floor,

Thy vinyl sleeves soft-lifted, Gone With The Wind;

Or on a half-reap'd DJ set sound asleep,

Drows'd with the fume of The Poppies, while with rhythmic hook

Blares the Next In Line and all its five hundred followers:

And sometimes at a niter thou dost keep

Steady thy laden head across a table;

Or by the bar, with patient look,

Thou watchest the last oozings of the Stolen Hours.

 

 

Where are the songs of Millie Jackson's Spring? Ay, where are they?

Think not of them, thou hast thy music too,

While misty clouds bloom the soft-dying Muriel Day,

And Magic Touch the stubble-plains with Rosey Jones;

Then in a wailful choir these Small But Mighty Hands mourn

For It's An Uphill Climb To The Bottom

Edited April 12, 20187 yr by Shufflin

5 hours ago, Steve S 60 said:

Very profound, but where do you stand on the great talc debate?

Whether to talc or not that is the question,

personally my dancing shoes be virgins to the pavement,

their soles match the shine of their uppers,

it pains me at the end of a night

to have to brush away the misted white

from within their brouge’ish holes,

this talc that falls like morning mist

that leadeth me in darkened rooms with

frosted footprints towards the sanctuary of the bar,

akin the illuminated aeroplane aisle,

for those that feel the need, especially those

who one would be led to believe hold shares in Johnsons,

that be their choice, but why before taking to the floor,

testing the water, do some insist that on the perfect surface

the powdered rain must fall making a treacherous passage

for those such as I , regretfully  I must confess my betrothed

to be of the talc loving fraternity , therefore I fall betwixt the two,

sometimes there be a need for a light dusting,

 all too often the purveyor of said talc has the touch of a blacksmith and yay

rises a mushroom cloud that settles in the throats of all in the fallout area,

so in answer to your question, to talc or not,

my preference  would be that 99% of the time

the white stuff be left to the bottoms of babes,

 the red chaffing thighs of the overweight , and

the arm pits of the sweaty.

Edited April 12, 20187 yr by Twoshoes

7 hours ago, Mark S said:

Brilliant someone thrashing about to the Salvadors next to someone groovin to Kurt Harris 

You beat me to the punch...

Ed

Djs playing requests for Djs never happened back in the day if you like it that much put it in your own set

50 minutes ago, monny1916 said:

Djs playing requests for Djs never happened back in the day if you like it that much put it in your own set

really?

8 hours ago, tomangoes said:

The answer is obvious.

Silent disco.

Pre load the songs you want to hear over the soul night(er) in your personal head set, and let rip on the dance floor. Dance floor is split 50/50 talc / non talc.

If you are feeling adventurous you can always swap head sets! Or even have one foot in the talc and one foot out.

Simples.. No doubt this will now occur and it can be referred to as the please everybody formula..

Ed

Let's be honest , at most of the Mickey Mouse oldies nostalgia nights that blight the calendar these days you can regularly see twenty people on the floor looking as though they are all listening/dancing to twenty different tunes , most concentrating hard to remember the Norvern Soul steps that they saw on YT the night before , regardless of the actual tempo  , very few seem to actually be 'feeling' the tune or reacting in anyway emotionally towards it ... thankfully I avoid these nights nowadays and stick to the proper nighters that feed my needs , i.e. something that makes my ears prick up and start asking " what was that that was just spun ... ?"

There was an Old DJ from Splott...

Who crashed on the way to her Spot...

Her Scooter got Bashed....

Her Box of Oldie's got Trashed....

No problem, ebay will replace the lot.

 

Edited April 12, 20187 yr by Zed1

first post ..........

 

26 minutes ago, WoodButcher said:

Let's be honest , at most of the Mickey Mouse oldies nostalgia nights that blight the calendar these days you can regularly see twenty people on the floor looking as though they are all listening/dancing to twenty different tunes , most concentrating hard to remember the Norvern Soul steps that they saw on YT the night before , regardless of the actual tempo  , very few seem to actually be 'feeling' the tune or reacting in anyway emotionally towards it ... thankfully I avoid these nights nowadays and stick to the proper nighters that feed my needs , i.e. something that makes my ears prick up and start asking " what was that that was just spun ... ?"

I know what you mean.

I went to a seaside event a couple of years back with my arms twisted up my back etc to see some folks from my old school days who miraculously converted from punk rockers back then to badge wearing soulies right now.

Soon off the floor when just loving you gets replaced by loving rules....

However, it's not for me to judge, as they say a convert is worth 10 pressmen!

The promoters also make a shed load of money from them as opposed to me, so they need to feed their habits, not mine.

The year after we just stayed in the surrounding pubs who were cherry picking punters, but played proper vinyl and rarer sounds.

Win win all round I guess.

Ed

 

 

 

Another one on the white powder.....

 

There once was a punter called Malcolm

Who would cover the dance floor with talcum

With his wide pants and vest

And his big hairy chest

Malcolm would dance on his talcum very seldom

1 hour ago, shufflin said:

really?

What kind of reply is that ??? You sound like Kev & Perry

18 minutes ago, Steve S 60 said:

Another one on the white powder.....

 

There once was a punter called Malcolm

Who would cover the dance floor with talcum

With his wide pants and vest

And his big hairy chest

Malcolm would dance on his talcum very seldom

Always loved those types that wander onto the floor , squirt half a bottle of that godawful stinky Johnson's Baby Powder on the floor then promptly wander off to the bar .... 

7 minutes ago, WoodButcher said:

Always loved those types that wander onto the floor , squirt half a bottle of that godawful stinky Johnson's Baby Powder on the floor then promptly wander off to the bar .... 

That's the ones.  What really cheers me up is when a little old lady appears with a mop and bucket and promptly dispatches said powder to the sewerage system.

And it's such a giveaway regarding the punter's history , it's always the 'returnees' that use Johnson's , as they have a cupboard full of it after dragging up their fistful of ugly brats , they don't even know that plain unstinky talc exists ... 

Alternative deffo needed to assist dance moves for those who need it...

3 hours ago, WoodButcher said:

Let's be honest , at most of the Mickey Mouse oldies nostalgia nights that blight the calendar these days you can regularly see twenty people on the floor looking as though they are all listening/dancing to twenty different tunes , most concentrating hard to remember the Norvern Soul steps that they saw on YT the night before , regardless of the actual tempo  , very few seem to actually be 'feeling' the tune or reacting in anyway emotionally towards it ... thankfully I avoid these nights nowadays and stick to the proper nighters that feed my needs , i.e. something that makes my ears prick up and start asking " what was that that was just spun ... ?"

Couldn't agree more :-):-)

I have just realised that l am spending to much time reading threads on soul source and not enough time listening to old or new soul music , silly me . 😱🎶🎶

Thank God we all don't like cheese!! We've all been there oldies newies crossover modern. You don't have to like it all and neither should we castigate or be castigated. The wonderful thing is that this crazy scene is still thriving. Youth club to heavy nighter speedy sessions. It's there and it's ours. Our DJs have their own opinions about us old gits dancing. At least we can still and not have some poor knowlegeless hanger on put the records on for you ss you are sitting sweating on a manky sofa. They're still working cos of us. Remember listen to the beat the voice and all those beautiful memories come shouting at you. A treat for us al.l Keep on keeping on. This is ours and still fuckin great. 

My wife tells me she can do two things at once.

Primarily listen to a conversation and be part of a different conversation.

Pete, or Petra? you need to get hormone replacement therapy to help you multi task.

Don't go anywhere until your affliction is cured...

Ed

10 hours ago, tomangoes said:

Alternative deffo needed to assist dance moves for those who need it...

Now I understand what you've been plugging in your avatar pic all this time

12 hours ago, WoodButcher said:

Let's be honest , at most of the Mickey Mouse oldies nostalgia nights that blight the calendar these days you can regularly see twenty people on the floor looking as though they are all listening/dancing to twenty different tunes , most concentrating hard to remember the Norvern Soul steps that they saw on YT the night before , regardless of the actual tempo  , very few seem to actually be 'feeling' the tune or reacting in anyway emotionally towards it ... thankfully I avoid these nights nowadays and stick to the proper nighters that feed my needs , i.e. something that makes my ears prick up and start asking " what was that that was just spun ... ?"

Great to see northern soul  snobbery is alive and well. I suppose your a 4 times world champion. 

Anyway my last post I'll concentrate on going to alldayers fantastic weekenders drinking dancing and meeting great people from all over.

On ‎11‎/‎04‎/‎2018 at 00:42, sheddd said:

WHEN WE GO OUT TO A NORTHER SOUL NIGHT,  ITS FOR THE TUNES OF OUR YOUTH

THE MEMORIES OF  THE CLUBS WE WENT TO , AND THAT IS THE TRUTH

BUT SOME DJ’S  DONT SEEM TO KNOW,  THAT IS WHAT NORTHERN SOUL IS ABOUT

ITS FOR  THE PUNTERS ENJOYMENT,  OF THAT THERE IS NO DOUBT

 

 

WE DONT WANT TO BE EDUCATED ABOUT A “B” SIDE, SOMEONE HAS FOUND

OR TOLD THIS IS GONNA BE, THE BIGGEST SOUND AROUND

DANCEFLOORS ARE OFTEN EMPTIED, WITH A TUNE  THE DJ NEEDS TO SHARE

THEY THEN TURN THEIR BACKS ON THE DANCEFLOOR,  WHERE DANCERS ONCE WHERE

 

 

 DOESNT TAKE LONG TO GET THE FEEL,  OF WHAT IS POPULAR IN A PLACE

AND THE  DANCEFLOOR WILL FILL, LEAVING  HARDLY ANY SPACE

NEVER  IGNORE THE DANCERS WHO  LEAVE,  WHEN A TUNE YOU PLAY

 IT  MEANS THEY DONT LIKE IT,  TAKE IT OFF THEY ARE TRYING TO SAY

 

 

HOW MANY “CAN’T DANCE DJ’S”,  THINK ITS  ALL  ABOUT “ME”

THE TRUTH IS THAT MORE WRONG, THEY JUST CANNOT BE

PLAY THE TUNES THAT GET THE PUNTERS,  OUT ON THE FLOOR

THEY PAY THE MONEY, THEY ARE MORE IMPORTANT I’M SURE

 

 

WITHOUT THESE DANCERS, NORTHERN SOUL WOULD NOT BE

AND DONT THINK THAT THIS POEM,  IS ONLY THE THOUGHTS OF ME

DJ’S PROVIDE A SERVICE,   ABOUT THEM IT IS NOT

BUT BECAUSE THEY PLAY THE TUNES,  A RESPONSIBILITY THEY HAVE GOT

 

AND FINALLY WE DONT NEED SLOWIES,  AT THE END OF THE NIGHT

WE ARE NOT OLD AND FRAIL, AND ALL LOSING OUR SIGHT

MOST LIKE A DANCE AFTER A FEW DRINKS, THAT IS TRUE TO SAY

SO THE LAST HOUR IS THE TIME,  WHEN THE BIG TUNES  YOU SHOULD PLAY

 

 

SO KEEP THE DANCERS DANCING,  ITS  WHAT YOUR PAID TO DO

TOO MUCH CHANGE AND THERE WILL BE NO ONE,   TO DANCE FOR YOU

WE DONT NEED EDUCATING,  OR TELLING WHATS GOOD

JUST PLAY THE RECORDS,   THE WAY THAT YOU SHOULD

So what should have happened when we went to The Casino etc is the DJ's should only have played old Wheel or Torch sounds ?? 

The Soul Scene is fluid, ever changing.  Room for all if its done right.

11 minutes ago, Tezza said:

So what should have happened when we went to The Casino etc is the DJ's should only have played old Wheel or Torch sounds ?? 

The Soul Scene is fluid, ever changing.  Room for all if its done right.

Once again, yet another contributor to this thread who is barking up the wrong tree. Read what the OP wrote, and try to see the essence of it. This is NOT about oldies v newies. Its all about DJs not doing their bloody job. A problem that has plagued the scene ever since Levine managed to make three quarters of the Casino dance floor sit down crosslegged in utter disgust. DJs need to assess the crowd, and play what the paying punters want. This keeps the floor full, and IS THEIR ONLY BLOODY JOB. Punters do NOT pay for a DJ to massage his/her own bloated ego.

Plus, think about this for a moment. Not all on this forum can afford to buy £5K (crap)records, and attend events every single week. Many are relatively poorly off, financially speaking, and look forward to perhaps their one night per month where they can lose themselves in the sounds of their youth. If that's what they enjoy, who is anyone else to say otherwise or gainsay them? Now go one step further. They possibly scrape their pennies and pounds together, and go to their usual local soul night, expecting to hear and dance to their tunes of choice. May not be your choice, may not be mine, but they're paying their hard earned cash, so yours and my preferences don't count, do they? They arrive, only to find that unlike every other night they've spent there, one or two newly invited "guest" DJs kill two hours of the night playing obscure garbage that no-one dances to, nor even likes. I'd be pissed off at that, as would you, if you attended one of your modern/up-front/progressive/cutting edge soirees and found that I was doing a two hour long spot full of sounds from the Wheel, Torch and Cats.

Most people who have responded to this thread have done so completely incorrectly, and in many cases, to merely continue their own, (elitist?) agenda. Read the sodding poem, and try to understand what was actually said, not what you THINK was said. For all you know, the Clubs of the OPs youth may well have been Stafford and Yate etc., not the Wheel and Torch, therefore negating many, if not all of the derogatory comments re "oldies".

Some of the other comments have been well written, insightful, and incredibly humorous. And I have enjoyed these contributions immensely. As I'm sure has the OP. Unfortunately, as ever, many have also been sanctimonious, condescending, elitist, offensive, and downright rude. Ultimately, wrong also. One or two on here really should take a long hard look at themselves, and grow up. Keyboard warriors are the most pathetic type of bullies, and are more suited to school playground spats than grown-up debates.

It's not just "YOUR" scene, understand? To publicly denigrate the thoughts, feelings and words of someone who, for all you know, may actually have contributed to building "YOUR" scene well before you'd even heard about it, is crass in the extreme. And to pass comment on their children is beyond shameful.

As above, take a long hard look at yourself, and get a bloody grip.

Rant over, now all the usual suspects in the usual cliques can downvote to their hearts content.

Wasn't going to post again but had to after hearing someone talk some sense and cut through this snobbery that if it had won would have left a weekend in cleethorpes as the high life of the year instead of the choice on offer now which are too numerous to mention and are down  to the Wigan originals and newer converts so disliked on here.you should be ashamed the northern soul  scene we love would have died.

24 minutes ago, Joey said:

Once again, yet another contributor to this thread who is barking up the wrong tree. Read what the OP wrote, and try to see the essence of it. This is NOT about oldies v newies. Its all about DJs not doing their bloody job. A problem that has plagued the scene ever since Levine managed to make three quarters of the Casino dance floor sit down crosslegged in utter disgust. DJs need to assess the crowd, and play what the paying punters want. This keeps the floor full, and IS THEIR ONLY BLOODY JOB. Punters do NOT pay for a DJ to massage his/her own bloated ego.

Plus, think about this for a moment. Not all on this forum can afford to buy £5K (crap)records, and attend events every single week. Many are relatively poorly off, financially speaking, and look forward to perhaps their one night per month where they can lose themselves in the sounds of their youth. If that's what they enjoy, who is anyone else to say otherwise or gainsay them? Now go one step further. They possibly scrape their pennies and pounds together, and go to their usual local soul night, expecting to hear and dance to their tunes of choice. May not be your choice, may not be mine, but they're paying their hard earned cash, so yours and my preferences don't count, do they? They arrive, only to find that unlike every other night they've spent there, one or two newly invited "guest" DJs kill two hours of the night playing obscure garbage that no-one dances to, nor even likes. I'd be pissed off at that, as would you, if you attended one of your modern/up-front/progressive/cutting edge soirees and found that I was doing a two hour long spot full of sounds from the Wheel, Torch and Cats.

Most people who have responded to this thread have done so completely incorrectly, and in many cases, to merely continue their own, (elitist?) agenda. Read the sodding poem, and try to understand what was actually said, not what you THINK was said. For all you know, the Clubs of the OPs youth may well have been Stafford and Yate etc., not the Wheel and Torch, therefore negating many, if not all of the derogatory comments re "oldies".

Some of the other comments have been well written, insightful, and incredibly humorous. And I have enjoyed these contributions immensely. As I'm sure has the OP. Unfortunately, as ever, many have also been sanctimonious, condescending, elitist, offensive, and downright rude. Ultimately, wrong also. One or two on here really should take a long hard look at themselves, and grow up. Keyboard warriors are the most pathetic type of bullies, and are more suited to school playground spats than grown-up debates.

It's not just "YOUR" scene, understand? To publicly denigrate the thoughts, feelings and words of someone who, for all you know, may actually have contributed to building "YOUR" scene well before you'd even heard about it, is crass in the extreme. And to pass comment on their children is beyond shameful.

As above, take a long hard look at yourself, and get a bloody grip.

Rant over, now all the usual suspects in the usual cliques can downvote to their hearts content.

Nice, but oh so wrong.

Rant over, now all the usual suspects etc etc. 

10 minutes ago, Joey said:

And to pass comment on their children is beyond shameful.

I haven't re read the thread Joey but if your comment above is aimed at a couple of lines in my poem post then I think you have misread the intent of my post. My poem was intended to be an overview of the scene itself albeit a potted one, there were no intentional digs at anyone. It has been a common view expressed many times that some left the scene when they had children, nothing wrong with that and no slight was intended in those particular lines of my poem. I fully and always have done respect others views whether they be the same as mine or not. I am not a keyboard warrior in any shape or form.

I have always tried on this site to give a fair and balanced view on any discussion I have participated in, I  believe in live and let live, the nights I attend are generally those have a true across the board policy therefore I do not criticise anyone's particular taste in music.  

  I have to say again my poem was not intended to be a dig at any one faction on the scene, that is the true beauty of poetry it is open to interpretation, what one sees as something another sees completely differently.  I am sorry if the lines about people leaving the scene to have children then returning offended you, it is something I have heard said many times and was one way in my poem to illustrate that some left the scene.  

With respect I think our views on this particular issue may be closer than you realise hence my up vote to your post.

Having read the poems in this thread, all I can say is bring back William Wordsworth

2 minutes ago, Tezza said:

Nice, but oh so wrong.

Rant over, now all the usual suspects etc etc. 

Not wrong at all. The first paragraph was in reply to your own post. The OP was complaining about DJs. Hopefully you have re-read the post, and can now see what I was saying.

The remainder of my "rant" was in response to several other posters, one in particular, who was really quite derogatory in his comments, the like of which have no place in adult debate. As for the "usual suspects", again, not wrong. There are several on here who seem to think they are some type of uber-being, and are forever down voting/commenting en-masse whenever any post appears which is in contrast to their own, sometimes VERY elitist views.

This scene is a pretty broad church, but many now appear to sneer at those who built the bloody scene in the first place. 

5 minutes ago, Joey said:

Not wrong at all. The first paragraph was in reply to your own post. The OP was complaining about DJs. Hopefully you have re-read the post, and can now see what I was saying.

The remainder of my "rant" was in response to several other posters, one in particular, who was really quite derogatory in his comments, the like of which have no place in adult debate. As for the "usual suspects", again, not wrong. There are several on here who seem to think they are some type of uber-being, and are forever down voting/commenting en-masse whenever any post appears which is in contrast to their own, sometimes VERY elitist views.

This scene is a pretty broad church, but many now appear to sneer at those who built the bloody scene in the first place. 

"WHEN WE GO OUT TO A NORTHER SOUL NIGHT,  ITS FOR THE TUNES OF OUR YOUTH

THE MEMORIES OF  THE CLUBS WE WENT TO , AND THAT IS THE TRUTH

BUT SOME DJ’S  DONT SEEM TO KNOW,  THAT IS WHAT NORTHERN SOUL IS ABOUT

ITS FOR  THE PUNTERS ENJOYMENT,  OF THAT THERE IS NO DOUBT"

 

I Dance, I have no bloated ego, I love the Music of 'Our Scene'.  The opening gambit of the OP is as above.  I cannot agree at all with that.

The art of the DJ is to introduce people to new offerings as they did in the early on-sets of what we later called Northern Soul.  It should be interspersed with 'favoured' tunes but not wholly.  I agree that some are rare and expensive for the sake of it but there are many out there that are passionate and are not after adulation and big pay packets. 

I see where you are coming from though X

Have a fabulous weekend my friend XX

3 minutes ago, Twoshoes said:

I haven't re read the thread Joey but if your comment above is aimed at a couple of lines in my poem post then I think you have misread the intent of my post. My poem was intended to be an overview of the scene itself albeit a potted one, there were no intentional digs at anyone. It has been a common view expressed many times that some left the scene when they had children, nothing wrong with that and no slight was intended in those particular lines of my poem. I fully and always have done respect others views whether they be the same as mine or not. I am not a keyboard warrior in any shape or form.

I have always tried on this site to give a fair and balanced view on any discussion I have participated in, I  believe in live and let live, the nights I attend are generally those have a true across the board policy therefore I do not criticise anyone's particular taste in music.  

  I have to say again my poem was not intended to be a dig at any one faction on the scene, that is the true beauty of poetry it is open to interpretation, what one sees as something another sees completely differently.  I am sorry if the lines about people leaving the scene to have children then returning offended you, it is something I have heard said many times and was one way in my poem to illustrate that some left the scene.  

With respect I think our views on this particular issue may be closer than you realise hence my up vote to your post.

The majority of my "rant" was most certainly NOT directed at either you or your poem. As I said, much of what has been written on this thread has been highly entertaining, intelligently thought out, and amusing.

However, one or two people have posted comments which are, in my view, not just wrong, but also completely unacceptable. To denigrate someone because of their age, musical preferences, or the events they attend, is pathetic. To bring in comments about returnees to the scene, and their, (and I quote), "fistful of ugly brats", is beyond the bloody pale. There are a few members who think they own this scene, after somehow "saving" it. The majority of these have not one single clue about its true origins, and older traditions, having joined well after the scene became part of the overground musical landscape. I have no issues with anyone who joined the scene in 69, 79, or even 2009. I have no issues with their musical preferences. I have no issues with the venues and events they prefer to attend. What I will not stand for is (perhaps) wilfully conflating what a new member was attempting to convey, and using this as an opportunity to further their own views, and insult him/her. Basically, its just not on.

Its also very easy to sit at a keyboard and be brave with insults. Some on here are VERY good at it. Funny really, had they said the same things back in 72 at the Torch or Cats, face to face with some of the people I know are still here and on this forum, the very least they would probably have received would have been major bruising and contusions. 

This is a now a broad church of a scene. People should enjoy the part of it that they prefer, and leave others to enjoy their own little piece of it. No need for virtue signalling or anything. Live and let live.

1 minute ago, Tezza said:

"WHEN WE GO OUT TO A NORTHER SOUL NIGHT,  ITS FOR THE TUNES OF OUR YOUTH

THE MEMORIES OF  THE CLUBS WE WENT TO , AND THAT IS THE TRUTH

BUT SOME DJ’S  DONT SEEM TO KNOW,  THAT IS WHAT NORTHERN SOUL IS ABOUT

ITS FOR  THE PUNTERS ENJOYMENT,  OF THAT THERE IS NO DOUBT"

 

I Dance, I have no bloated ego, I love the Music of 'Our Scene'.  The opening gambit of the OP is as above.  I cannot agree at all with that.

The art of the DJ is to introduce people to new offerings as they did in the early on-sets of what we later called Northern Soul.  It should be interspersed with 'favoured' tunes but not wholly.  I agree that some are rare and expensive for the sake of it but there are many out there that are passionate and are not after adulation and big pay packets. 

I see where you are coming from though X

Have a fabulous weekend my friend XX

I think we can agree to disagree on one or two things, but are as one with others. I still refute the view that a DJ is there to educate me though. I have been on the scene since the VERY early days, when it was a "northern" scene. I saw that scene die in the mid 70's, and be replaced seamlessly with a "rare" soul scene.

Of course DJs always broke new tunes, every week in fact, but if those tunes cleared the floor, they certainly didn't play them again and again. Unlike back in the "old days", there are now scores if not hundreds of events every single weekend, and I'm sure that everyone, and their tastes, can be catered for. It mystifies me as to why some on this forum should insult people who's only wish is to listen and dance to the sounds of their youth.

Have a wonderful weekend yourself my Dear, hopefully dancing your socks off! xxx

1 minute ago, Joey said:

I think we can agree to disagree on one or two things, but are as one with others. I still refute the view that a DJ is there to educate me though. I have been on the scene since the VERY early days, when it was a "northern" scene. I saw that scene die in the mid 70's, and be replaced seamlessly with a "rare" soul scene.

Of course DJs always broke new tunes, every week in fact, but if those tunes cleared the floor, they certainly didn't play them again and again. Unlike back in the "old days", there are now scores if not hundreds of events every single weekend, and I'm sure that everyone, and their tastes, can be catered for. It mystifies me as to why some on this forum should insult people who's only wish is to listen and dance to the sounds of their youth.

Have a wonderful weekend yourself my Dear, hopefully dancing your socks off! xxx

It is a nasty place on here sometimes.  Some resort to name calling etc very quickly !!!

Just now, Tezza said:

It is a nasty place on here sometimes.  Some resort to name calling etc very quickly !!!

Absolutely. More reminiscent of a primary school playground than a debating forum for adults!!!

Nobody has reported any posts yet, but come on chaps, let's not fall out about this, we all have our opinions about these things but in the interest of keeping the forum enjoyable, lets' not escalate the bickering, by all means make the points you want to make but please lets' keep things civil?

My name is Mark and I am a soul snob 

2 hours ago, JulianB said:

Having read the poems in this thread, all I can say is bring back William Wordsworth

I wandered lonely as a Mixcloud.......

45 minutes ago, Mark S said:

My name is Mark and I am a soul snob 

thank you for sharing Mark, that must have been difficult for you. Acknowledging it is the first step

My name is Harry Worth,  I don't know why,  but there it is.........................

Just curious about the whole newcomers/returnees/dressing up aspects of the scene in the 21C, what is it that people don't like? I know my Lass, 70s Wigan veteran and 40 odd years of the scene under her belt, has seen most aspects of the scene, and me since the mid 80s, her only gripe is that sometimes they can't synchronise their dance steps, and some have little spacial awareness on the floor and can get in the way or affect her 'flow' with the music, apart from that we both find the whole dressing up thing fun and although we don't feel the need it doesn't offend us. The newcomers are fun and friendly, plus I think most know that they can't  lie about any soul credentials, they'd be outed immediately. A friend of ours and popular national DJ, who shall remain nameless in this discussion really disliked the 'flat caps, baggies and trilbies' thing, but being the ages we are, a lot of guys haven't got the 70s flowing locks and curls they once had, unlike myself, so the hat thing seems only natural if you're self conscious about being challenged in that way. But the patches, the clothes and the people who want to fit in with what has always been a very cool scene, seems to us to be a bit of good fun and quite endearing.

A lot of them are folks who like to dance, like a bit of good music and want a safe night out without the local contenders trying to make a name for themselves, and I can fully understand that. Without the people that have joined in recently, would the scene be as vibrant as it is? Also those same folks, not being bound to the popular tunes that they know, may be a factor in the bringing forward of new sounds, not being stuck in the rut of wanting the tunes that were played on a big scale back in the day.

7 minutes ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

Just curious about the whole newcomers/returnees/dressing up aspects of the scene in the 21C, what is it that people don't like? I know my Lass, 70s Wigan veteran and 40 odd years of the scene under her belt, has seen most aspects of the scene, and me since the mid 80s, her only gripe is that sometimes they can't synchronise their dance steps, and some have little spacial awareness on the floor and can get in the way or affect her 'flow' with the music, apart from that we both find the whole dressing up thing fun and although we don't feel the need it doesn't offend us. The newcomers are fun and friendly, plus I think most know that they can't  lie about any soul credentials, they'd be outed immediately. A friend of ours and popular national DJ, who shall remain nameless in this discussion really disliked the 'flat caps, baggies and trilbies' thing, but being the ages we are, a lot of guys haven't got the 70s flowing locks and curls they once had, unlike myself, so the hat thing seems only natural if you're self conscious about being challenged in that way. But the patches, the clothes and the people who want to fit in with what has always been a very cool scene, seems to us to be a bit of good fun and quite endearing.

A lot of them are folks who like to dance, like a bit of good music and want a safe night out without the local contenders trying to make a name for themselves, and I can fully understand that. Without the people that have joined in recently, would the scene be as vibrant as it is? Also those same folks, not being bound to the popular tunes that they know, may be a factor in the bringing forward of new sounds, not being stuck in the rut of wanting the tunes that were played on a big scale back in the day.

I've nothing against the wearing of hats as long as they're checked in at the cloakroom.  Only ladies should wear hats indoors.

2 minutes ago, Steve S 60 said:

I've nothing against the wearing of hats as long as they're checked in at the cloakroom.  Only ladies should wear hats indoors.

A gentleman who knows the rules of etiquette.......or is it just a throwback to your (and my) days in the "Andrew"?😂

1 minute ago, Joey said:

A gentleman who knows the rules of etiquette.......or is it just a throwback to your (and my) days in the "Andrew"?😂

More the latter.  "Get that cap off, you're not a Wren!"

"Sounds of our youth " all depends on when your youth was . 

The soul scene spans over 50 years thankfully DJs have driven it and unearthed some wonderfull stuff during that time , Just because we are not all dancing doesnt mean we dont appreciate the effort or like the music .

My journey started about 69 in the youth clubs around Manchester with sounds filtering down from the Wheel . Then later going to the Pendulem allways hearing new to my ears sounds we couldnt get enough of it . 

Later on the likes of Richard Searling , Colin Curtis and Ian Levine breaking new sounds the scene was progressive . 

I enjoy now playing catch up with the music from the Stafford era I never went unfortunately .

I cannot abide the poorly dressed Casino re- enactment society , the adverts dancing on the comedy carpet and all the bollocks that go with it . 

The scene has allways beem fluid and to quote some hackneyed old overated pop song " It will never be over for me "

 

2 minutes ago, Steve S 60 said:

I've nothing against the wearing of hats as long as they're checked in at the cloakroom.  Only ladies should wear hats indoors.

Conversely I notice very few ladies wearing hats or fascinators at soul events, I would approve, if anything the gripe I have is with the women, flat shoes, court shoes, NO! When I go out for a night I want my women in Stilettoes the higher the better, but I'm not getting that either, even from my own Mrs! But seeing as the Soul scene is definitely a Church, your point is valid. ;)

Our soul events these days are populated by the 'Peaky Blinders' it doesn't bother me, and some of them are old Yate DJs and faces from way back, I don't have any answers, only opinions and as we all know opinions are like arseholes...

Nice one though Steve, a very clever response, as I would expect from a man of your standing! Made me chuckle and look for a good response, sadly all I came up with was this!