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1 hour ago, Steve S 60 said:

...and for those of you who can't get enough of it, it's now available as a rather splendid drinks coaster........

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A whole LP just of Holly's TNL... 

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1 hour ago, Joey said:

The longer this thread continues, and the more twists and turns it takes, the more I thank my lucky stars that I decided against commenting. Can you imagine just how many people I'd have right royally pissed off by now? 😂😂😂😂😂

You wouldn't have Joey, this is a laid back thread, nobody is getting their panties in a bunch over it. If you want to say something please do.

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24 minutes ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

You wouldn't have Joey, this is a laid back thread, nobody is getting their panties in a bunch over it. If you want to say something please do.

That's just my point BBAML, its actually quite gentile and polite at the moment, even though there are several contributors with diametrically opposed, and  strongly held, views. If I were to inject some of my thoughts, trust me, things would almost certainly escalate rather swiftly. Your original post was most definitely intriguing enough for me to initially want to put in my two pennorth, but I could see where it was going to end up even before it went there! Plus, the ORIGINAL point of the thread now appears to have been lost in the interminable debate surrounding what was played at Wigan. 

Besides, if I WERE to comment, where on earth would I even begin? Pop versus Soul? Good Pop versus shite Pop? White versus Black? White artists who had more soul in the little fingers than some black artists? Oldies and newies? Soul snobs versus those who just want to have a dance? Newcomers versus us old guard? Badges or no badges? Vests versus collar and tie? Northern soul versus Rare soul? Northern soul died in 1975, so this discussion is redundant? Peggy f***ing March FFS? 

I'll stay right out of this one thank you very much, and keep my powder dry for the next round!!!!!!! Which will, I absolutely assure you, come around sooner rather than later!

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I'm completely in touch with my feminine side, another one I adore that a lot of newcomers take issue with: 

 

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9 minutes ago, Zed1 said:

I'm sure I/we could list endless tracks that don't fit nicely in some people's little pigeon hole of what 'Should' be Northern Soul. Tracks like Today's People or Babe Ruth, or VERY left-field stuff like the Crow or that Ithcy & Scratchy Travis Wammack thing.  Again, whatever you think about any of these tracks and whatever genre you think they should be in. they have all have deserved to be part of our VERY eclectic scene. 

Couldn't of put it any better...spot on....Rob

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15 minutes ago, Zed1 said:

I'm sure I/we could list endless tracks that don't fit nicely in some people's little pigeon hole of what 'Should' be Northern Soul. Tracks like Today's People or Babe Ruth, or VERY left-field stuff like the Crow or that Ithcy & Scratchy Travis Wammack thing.  Again, whatever you think about any of these tracks and whatever genre you think they should be in. they have all deserved to be part of our VERY eclectic scene. 

Case in point, my lass recently posted 'Autumn of your tomorrow' on one of the fb Northern soul groups, to be told she was 'an insult to the site'.

In fact that and other similar occurrences prompted me to make this thread!

Babe Ruth, stellar, both 'Elusive' and their Prog Rock output too!

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1 hour ago, professorturnups said:

there are 2 (at least) scenes, one for the revivalists and another for those of us who prefer a more "grown up" environment

please expand - do you mean Wigan (never went) revival scene vs recent sounds? and what records?

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I have said this before, but i will say it again. There is no way that all of us are going to like (or dislike)  the same records but it is the difference that keeps us going, the soul scene (with all it's records) is massive and as a wise man once said "you can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time".

Personally i love Peggy March (copy in my box), Babe Ruth (both U.S. and U.K. copies are in my boxes), The Crow (U.K. copy in my box), The Carstairs (in my box), Holly St. James (oh how i wish that i had a copy),Blanche Carter (bootleg only). But each to their own, there are some records that i'm not keen on but i don't moan about it, you buy what you like, you dance to what you like, but you should always respect what other people like.

Just my opinion of course, if your's is different that is fine with me. Respect.

 

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Don't understand the 2 scene thing haven't any personal sense of a grown up scene and one for those of us who like these so called inferior records. The difference is I live and let live. Going Blackpool tower Friday all types played there and love st Ives and Newquay which are billed by soul on wax as rarer played soul. If this forum is a courtroom the dance floor is the judge and no amount of contempt by anybody will change that.

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Nuff said, says it all . :dash2:

1 hour ago, manus said:

Hope this is in the spirit of the first post in terms of being approached by someone new to the scene , I remember being at an alldayer maybe 10 years ago on the South Coast. I’ve never been a “communal clapper “ when dancing but occasionally do that clap ( noiseless) behind the back that Soul folks used to do back in the day , picked up from groups like the Temps.

And I dress in a normal contemporary style so probably don’t fit the profile of what younger people think is a Soul fan.

Anyway a young woman came up to me and very seriously explained that I wasn’t clapping properly and then proceeded to show me how clapping should be done , I asked her to show me again , and then again. Priceless and the best laugh I’d had on the scene for quite some time , god bless her.

 

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3 hours ago, manus said:

Hope this is in the spirit of the first post in terms of being approached by someone new to the scene , I remember being at an alldayer maybe 10 years ago on the South Coast. I’ve never been a “communal clapper “ when dancing but occasionally do that clap ( noiseless) behind the back that Soul folks used to do back in the day , picked up from groups like the Temps.

And I dress in a normal contemporary style so probably don’t fit the profile of what younger people think is a Soul fan.

Anyway a young woman came up to me and very seriously explained that I wasn’t clapping properly and then proceeded to show me how clapping should be done , I asked her to show me again , and then again. Priceless and the best laugh I’d had on the scene for quite some time , god bless her.

Love it, did she invite you over for a nightcap?

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28 minutes ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

Love it, did she invite you over for a nightcap?

No she wandered off thinking her job here was done and my life would now be properly fulfilled due to her Clapping instructions.

I'll be forever grateful to her

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5 minutes ago, manus said:

No she wandered off thinking her job here was done and my life would now be properly fulfilled due to her Clapping instructions.

I'll be forever grateful to her

Amateur! 🙄

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As someone who stopped listening to northern soul in 77, I have some sympathy with returners and loads of sympathy for those who've just discovered Soul Music, though I'm absotively, posilutely jealous of their age.

There's a big difference between someone who abandoned northern (or felt abandoned by it) for NYD, Funk and Jazz-Funk, which maybe led to Deep Soul, Real Jazz, Blues, Reggae and arriving on the Weekender Modern Scene with far better grounding than anybody who'd stuck around northern; and someone who got into punk-rock, two-tone, career, marriage, mortgage, kids, pop music and bringing their mid-life crisis back with them.

However, as someone who chooses to play some Northern Soul in amongst the rest, I'm routinely accused of putting on northern nights, which I roundly deny. As somebody who doesn't worship vinyls played by superstar Djs at 'legendary' venues, it's always difficult to persuade northern people that there's plenty there for them, and Soul Folk that it isn't about obscure vinyls.  

I understand there's some slippage as oldies disappear, and it's great that young'uns are turning up, but is it necessary to go back to the Twisted Wheel playlist, and do we think they'll still be around by the time we get up to Trafalgar, Fleetwood, Morecambe and Southport?

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Jumped onto this topic late but having read through the posts I am now spitting feathers !!

As a regular attendee at various venues  (The Wheel , Brighouse etc etc) in Yorks and Lancs for many years I am growing increasingly fed up with what I call the 60s and 70s crowd looking down their noses at the younger Soulies (and by the way I am from the 60s and 70s era !).

I personally don't want to see the younger people driven out of venues by the constant playing of the top 500 usual suspects.

Bring on the modern soul and new stompers for me and lets Keep the Faith long into the future.

Without the younger generation the scene will be confined to history under the same chapter as the Dodo !   

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Scene maybe ? , music never ! ✌🎶

1 hour ago, HXTFC1 said:

Jumped onto this topic late but having read through the posts I am now spitting feathers !!

As a regular attendee at various venues  (The Wheel , Brighouse etc etc) in Yorks and Lancs for many years I am growing increasingly fed up with what I call the 60s and 70s crowd looking down their noses at the younger Soulies (and by the way I am from the 60s and 70s era !).

I personally don't want to see the younger people driven out of venues by the constant playing of the top 500 usual suspects.

Bring on the modern soul and new stompers for me and lets Keep the Faith long into the future.

Without the younger generation the scene will be confined to history under the same chapter as the Dodo !   

 

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2 hours ago, HXTFC1 said:

Jumped onto this topic late but having read through the posts I am now spitting feathers !!

As a regular attendee at various venues  (The Wheel , Brighouse etc etc) in Yorks and Lancs for many years I am growing increasingly fed up with what I call the 60s and 70s crowd looking down their noses at the younger Soulies (and by the way I am from the 60s and 70s era !).

I personally don't want to see the younger people driven out of venues by the constant playing of the top 500 usual suspects.

Bring on the modern soul and new stompers for me and lets Keep the Faith long into the future.

Without the younger generation the scene will be confined to history under the same chapter as the Dodo !   

Thanks for this input but I think you might want to read through the thread again as you seem to have comprehended it incorrectly!

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2 hours ago, stevesilktulip said:

As someone who stopped listening to northern soul in 77, I have some sympathy with returners and loads of sympathy for those who've just discovered Soul Music, though I'm absotively, posilutely jealous of their age.

There's a big difference between someone who abandoned northern (or felt abandoned by it) for NYD, Funk and Jazz-Funk, which maybe led to Deep Soul, Real Jazz, Blues, Reggae and arriving on the Weekender Modern Scene with far better grounding than anybody who'd stuck around northern; and someone who got into punk-rock, two-tone, career, marriage, mortgage, kids, pop music and bringing their mid-life crisis back with them.

However, as someone who chooses to play some Northern Soul in amongst the rest, I'm routinely accused of putting on northern nights, which I roundly deny. As somebody who doesn't worship vinyls played by superstar Djs at 'legendary' venues, it's always difficult to persuade northern people that there's plenty there for them, and Soul Folk that it isn't about obscure vinyls.  

I understand there's some slippage as oldies disappear, and it's great that young'uns are turning up, but is it necessary to go back to the Twisted Wheel playlist, and do we think they'll still be around by the time we get up to Trafalgar, Fleetwood, Morecambe and Southport?

For me , you are bang on with your post.

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Just now, Colnago said:

For me , you are bang on with your post.

He is bang on with what he's saying, just the way he's comprehended the subject of the thread is flawed.

The young crowd are a very welcome addition and they are hugely passionate about the music.

Any issues are around people of any age/background saying negative stuff about other folks personal preferences.

I haven't seen any content about only wanting old Casino and Torch etc oldies.

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4 minutes ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

Any issues are around people of any age/background saying negative stuff about other folks personal preferences

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Critics ?...

on a music forum ??

 

Unthinkable !....:lol:

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I can't take credit for this, Brenden Behan is widely credited with it but...

“Critics are like eunuchs in a harem: they know how it’s done, they’ve seen it done every day, but they’re unable to do it themselves.”

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On 28/04/2018 at 15:39, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

thing I've been asked a few times now 'How long you been into it?' in that patronising way

these are the worse ones, I was out once and a mate introduced me to this bloke at about midnight who was apparently organising a forthcoming local soul night, thought we'd get on etc, anyway the arrogant git not only asked me how long I'd been into NS he then proceeded asking me questions about specific records, labels etc, checking if I knew about the music - honestly wanted to thump him but made an excuse after 5 minutes and walked off - yes I 'passed' his questions, but what a prat

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22 minutes ago, geeselad said:

Another bloke who hasnt read the thread then

Colnago has, he was agreeing with the sentiment about welcoming youngsters in and having diversity in the scene, he was picking up on that aspect of HXTFC1's post.

19 minutes ago, Colnago said:

Think I have pal . Been following from the start , maybe it’s you who hasn’t 

Geeselad has, he was picking up on the other aspect of HXTFC1's post, regarding oldies. (Sounds, not punters!) LoL.

That's how I'm reading that. As long as it's all good humoured, the point does seem to have been lost in translation in places, which I take full responsibility for. 

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I was there in the beginning - Original Wheel and Mecca etc.

Who cares if people say they were at Wigan and they weren’t.

What’s the problem if a DJ plays Frank Wilson rather than some obscure under played tune which almost always ‘empties the floor’

Why does it really matter if people who have plenty to say about records and scooters etc, actually have no idea what they are talking about.

However, if I was 17 I might disagree with the above.

These days I just get out on the floor and let the others get on with it.

Paul (Mod66)

 

 

 

 

 

 

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41 minutes ago, Mod66 said:

Why does it really matter if people who have plenty to say about records and scooters etc, actually have no idea what they are talking about

loved that, the perspective of a wise man I guess

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6 hours ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

Colnago has, he was agreeing with the sentiment about welcoming youngsters in and having diversity in the scene, he was picking up on that aspect of HXTFC1's post.

Geeselad has, he was picking up on the other aspect of HXTFC1's post, regarding oldies. (Sounds, not punters!) LoL.

That's how I'm reading that. As long as it's all good humoured, the point does seem to have been lost in translation in places, which I take full responsibility for. 

:facepalm:

Fair cop guv. 😉 Apologies to Colnago. 

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Looking at a few posts and it does seem a bit 'snowflakey' of me to get offended by folks slagging fave tunes.

However, telling someone else that their taste in music is 'shite-end of!' isn't something that I'm gonna ever do. If someone loves one I don't particularly get I just say 'Yeah man, it's a classic!'... I'm sticking with that approach.

It was something specific which prompted me to post about it, but I'll leave that buried now where it belongs.

The folks who try to BS me about going to WC etc, I leave the door wide open for them because I'm open about the fact that I never went there at all. My Mrs did though, hardly ever missed one in six years I've known her to tell people 'You went you Wigan, you stood in this spot and with so and so.' 

People are great really, it's all fun anyway. Give you the chance to get to know me a bit too, now if people ask 'Who's that tosser?' You can reply 'Oh he's that tosser that...'

Anyway as always funny anecdotes and silly stuff always welcome!  

 

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The Gems ticks all the right Boxes for me, A proper 100mph NORTHERN SOUL track that could easily replace the same tired Oldies that the Jukeboxes of today have probably never even heard of!.

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Circa early 77 at Station Rd when I was very new to the scene 'It Really Hurts Me Girl' was playing and the mate stood next to me said "Is this Crossover?" to which my serious reply was "No, I think it's the Carstairs!" 😀

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28 minutes ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

Looking at a few posts and it does seem a bit 'snowflakey' of me to get offended by folks slagging fave tunes.

However, telling someone else that their taste in music is 'shite-end of!' isn't something that I'm gonna ever do. If someone loves one I don't particularly get I just say 'Yeah man, it's a classic!'... I'm sticking with that approach.

It was something specific which prompted me to post about it, but I'll leave that buried now where it belongs.

The folks who try to BS me about going to WC etc, I leave the door wide open for them because I'm open about the fact that I never went there at all. My Mrs did though, hardly ever missed one in six years I've known her to tell people 'You went you Wigan, you stood in this spot and with so and so.' 

People are great really, it's all fun anyway. Give you the chance to get to know me a bit too, now if people ask 'Who's that tosser?' You can reply 'Oh he's that tosser that...'

Anyway as always funny anecdotes and silly stuff always welcome!  

 

Told you I was right to keep schtum, didn't I? Lol. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

The Gems. Played everywhere in 72/73, played nowhere nowadays. Quality 100mph dancer. Proper Northern, and quality enough to be booted at least once, maybe even twice, before the Casino even opened its doors? 

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6 minutes ago, Joey said:

Told you I was right to keep schtum, didn't I? Lol. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

The Gems. Played everywhere in 72/73, played nowhere nowadays. Quality 100mph dancer. Proper Northern, and quality enough to be booted at least once, maybe even twice, before the Casino even opened its doors? 

Dean Carr plays it regular, St Ives, Newquay weekenders, probably plays it elsewhere too.

One of my faves, but then always been very in touch with my feminine side so I love this type of sound, it's why I get slated sometimes but I love every one of them!

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