Feed Your Soul 5th Anniversary - several unissued tracks

[Soulstrutter 109]

Just getting around to listening to 6 hours podcast of Feed Your Soul from 3rd Nov. which Ady Crampton posted on Mixcloud a few weeks ago here:
https://www.mixcloud.com/adriancrampton7/feed-your-soul-5th-anniversary-bash-with-guests-mick-h-jordan-wilson-john-everard-plus-residents/
DJ's: John Manship, Soul Sam, Steve Johnson & guests Mick H, Jordan Wilson & John Everard

Jordan played a couple of unissued tracks:

Nicole Grace - Tomorrow (@ 02:24:53),

Esther Grant (I think ... couldn't quite make out what he announced) - Take My Heart (@ 02:27:13) which is superb.

He also played a Gilly acetate covered up? as Little Miss Dee Dee - You Better Wake Up (@ 02:07:50) which he said was being released this year.  

Mick H played an acetate titled 'The Wind Is My Friend' (no artist named) (@ 02:57:47)

Also both Mick & Sam played tracks announced as by Joseph Webster (Mick @03:14:05 & Sam @04:43:23) both funky tunes - sounds like the same artist - are they cover-ups? on the same 45? .. or has an obscure Joseph Webster 45 surfaced?

... anyone able to shed any light on any of these?

[Chalky 14,216]

Esther Grant is one of my old cover ups, few of us got it, came from Ady C. 

[Chalky 14,216]

Little Miss Dee Dee is coming out on Hayley and is in a video comp of 2020 releases that Rob posted. 

[Soulstrutter 109]

Hi Karl ... Is Esther Grant the cover-up or uncovered name then?  It's a superb tune. Also is Little Miss Dee Dee being released as that or is it being uncovered?

[Chalky 14,216]

16 minutes ago, Soulstrutter said:

Hi Karl ... Is Esther Grant the cover-up or uncovered name then?  It's a superb tune. Also is Little Miss Dee Dee being released as that or is it being uncovered?

Esther Grant is the cover up name, sure Ady will uncover in time and hopefully put it out on a 45.  LMDD is coming out on Hayley

Edited January 8 by Chalky

[Chalky 14,216]

LMDD might be in the video in this topic

 

[Soulstrutter 109]

3 minutes ago, Chalky said:

Esther Grant is 5he cover up name, sure Ady will uncover in time and hopefully put it out on a 45.  LMDD is coming out on Hayley

Thanks for info - Jordan announced LMDD was a cover-up name - is it a double bluff or is the artist unknown .. so being released as LMDD?

I presume Ady C is Croasdell and not Ady Crampton - unfortunate coincidence as Ady organises Feed You Soul!

[Chalky 14,216]

4 minutes ago, Soulstrutter said:

Thanks for info - Jordan announced LMDD was a cover-up name - is it a double bluff or is the artist unknown .. so being released as LMDD?

I presume Ady C is Croasdell and not Ady Crampton - unfortunate coincidence as Ady organises Feed You Soul!

Yes sorry Ady Croasdell.  The LMDD is ten minutes in on the Hayley video.  Don’t know who the artist is, I’ve heard it in the past though.

[Soulstrutter 109]

Just listened to Esther Grant again - it is sooo good - one of the best 'new' sounds I've heard for quite a while - I hope he doesn't issue it as a 6Ts anniversary 45 as unless you're there you can't get them and they then sell for stupid money the next day

[Rob Moss 341]

I can confirm that 'You better wake up' is NOT Little Miss Dee Dee !

[Andy Rix 621]

I used to feature this version of  ‘You’d Better Wake Up’ on occasions In my sets

an alternate, but inferior, version was released on a Goldmine Totally Solid Hitbound CD credited to the  Debonaires

Andy

 

Edited January 11 by Andy Rix

[Soulstrutter 109]

Thanks for the heads-up Rob & Andy .... I think I've got that CD somewhere ... need to dig it out and compare versions.  Is there a way of posting sound files anymore?

[Soulstrutter 109]

Anyone got any info on the 'Joseph Webster' tracks being played by Sam & Mick H?

[Chalky 14,216]

1 hour ago, Soulstrutter said:

Anyone got any info on the 'Joseph Webster' tracks being played by Sam & Mick H?

On Crow?

 

Edited January 9 by Chalky

[Blackpoolsoul 713]

2 hours ago, Chalky said:

On Crow?

 

Karl is Joseph Webster AKA Joe Webster Shiptown label Soul Duo with Ida Sands, or am I wrong again

[Steve G 7,115]

7 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

Karl is Joseph Webster AKA Joe Webster Shiptown label Soul Duo with Ida Sands, or am I wrong again

I used to think he was. But not so sure now. 

[Chalky 14,216]

7 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

Karl is Joseph Webster AKA Joe Webster Shiptown label Soul Duo with Ida Sands, or am I wrong again

I don’t think so personally but all the same it is possible.  The shiptown guy was in the Anglos. 

Edited January 10 by Chalky

[Soulstrutter 109]

23 hours ago, Chalky said:

On Crow?

 

No it's not this 'well known' one ... which is why I suspect it's a cover up as nothing else is listed for Joseph Webster.  Mick H played a track as Joseph Webster 'dedicated' to Sam and then in Sam's set later he played another different track he announced as Mr. Webster - this makes me think perhaps they have the same 'cover-up' record and played different sides. It sounds like the same artist - 70s funky - both are on the FYS 5th Anni podcast at the times stated above.

[Soulstrutter 109]

Correction ... just listened to them both again and Sam's track IS 'My Love So Strong'  ... but Mick's is something else.  I don't know the flip side (which according to the Discogs listing is an instrumental by The Mighty Chevelles) so I doubt it's that - opens with  'You can Tell I have something on my mind, I've been meaning to talk you for a long time' - the hook lines goes something like 'has anyone seen us together'   with another line 'so many things I don't understand, the way you've been acting I think you've got another man' and the hook keeps repeating towards end until an abrupt ending that catches DJ's out . 

P.S. The only 'My Love Is Strong' to sell on Discogs was NM in 2015 and sold for £70!!! ... but on further inspection it was a white label 'carver'!!! .. I thought someone got a bargain of the century for a moment!

[Blackpoolsoul 713]

12 minutes ago, Soulstrutter said:

Correction ... just listened to them both again and Sam's track IS 'My Love So Strong'  ... but Mick's is something else.  I don't know the flip side (which according to the Discogs listing is an instrumental by The Mighty Chevelles) so I doubt it's that - opens with  'You can Tell I have something on my mind, I've been meaning to talk you for a long time' - the hook lines goes something like 'has anyone seen us together'   with another line 'so many things I don't understand, the way you've been acting I think you've got another man' and the hook keeps repeating towards end until an abrupt ending that catches DJ's out . 

P.S. The only 'My Love Is Strong' to sell on Discogs was NM in 2015 and sold for £70!!! ... but on further inspection it was a white label 'carver'!!! .. I thought someone got a bargain of the century for a moment!

And again because Discogs doesn't remove it from the sales history, no one will ever put one up for sale (if they do have one) or someone (hopefully me will get the bargain)....I might just have a word with Head Office (or should I ?)

It will have been cut to stop it being bootlegged....Mick is a good guy can't you ask him ?

Edited January 10 by Blackpoolsoul

[Soulstrutter 109]

7 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

And again because Discogs doesn't remove it from the sales history, no one will ever put one up for sale (if they do have one) or someone (hopefully me will get the bargain....I might just have a word with Head Office (or should I ?)

Could create  a new listing I suppose? ... One sold on Rare Northern Soul for £10k https://www.rarenorthernsoul.com/my-love-is-so-strong-52480 ... is that the going rate?

Edited January 10 by Soulstrutter

[Simon T 407]

4 hours ago, Soulstrutter said:

Correction ... just listened to them both again and Sam's track IS 'My Love So Strong'  ... but Mick's is something else.  I don't know the flip side (which according to the Discogs listing is an instrumental by The Mighty Chevelles) so I doubt it's that - opens with  'You can Tell I have something on my mind, I've been meaning to talk you for a long time' - the hook lines goes something like 'has anyone seen us together'   with another line 'so many things I don't understand, the way you've been acting I think you've got another man' and the hook keeps repeating towards end until an abrupt ending that catches DJ's out . 

P.S. The only 'My Love Is Strong' to sell on Discogs was NM in 2015 and sold for £70!!! ... but on further inspection it was a white label 'carver'!!! .. I thought someone got a bargain of the century for a moment!

I think i know this one; I| can picture it now,orange label, 2 & half minutes long, released 18 June 1973.....cool!

Edited January 11 by Simon T

[Blackpoolsoul 713]

2 hours ago, Soulstrutter said:

Could create  a new listing I suppose? ... One sold on Rare Northern Soul for £10k https://www.rarenorthernsoul.com/my-love-is-so-strong-52480 ... is that the going rate?

I will ask Brent at HQ

[Soulstrutter 109]

15 hours ago, Simon T said:

I think i know this one; I| can picture it now,orange label, 2 & half minutes long, released 18 June 1973.....cool!

Is it by Joseph Webster then? unlisted? ... and is the title 'Has Anyone Seen Her'?

[Simon T 407]

7 hours ago, Soulstrutter said:

Is it by Joseph Webster then? unlisted? ... and is the title 'Has Anyone Seen Her'?

No to both question, i think.

[Soulstrutter 109]

1 minute ago, Simon T said:

No to both question, i think.

So if it is the same tune as on podcast ... Mick H must be covering it up as Joseph Webster then?

[Simon T 407]

Just now, Soulstrutter said:

So if it is the same tune as on podcast ... Mick H must be covering it up as Joseph Webster then?

It's Butch isn't it? Sounds like him.

[Soulstrutter 109]

1 minute ago, Simon T said:

It's Butch isn't it? Sounds like him.

No it's Mick H at the Feed Your Soul 5th anniversary

[Tlscapital 646]

On 08/01/2020 at 20:13, Chalky said:

Esther Grant is one of my old cover ups, few of us got it, came from Ady C. 

It's fabulous ! 

[Blackpoolsoul 713]

7 hours ago, Tlscapital said:

It's fabulous ! 

And a very very decent cover up for a change as we don't know anything about Esther Grant and often cover up names were artists who were well known on the scene

[Chalky 14,216]

I've asked Mick as I didn't know either, The Wind IS My Friend is a 10 inch acetate.  Joseph Webster is a cover up.

[Simon T 407]

i thought    he played it, not butch? so a C/U?

[Simon T 407]

14 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

And a very very decent cover up for a change as we don't know anything about Esther Grant and often cover up names were artists who were well known on the scene

I seem to remember Rob Thomas playing it out as Ena Ogden!

[Sebastian 509]

As Simon T hinted at above, the "Joseph Webster" cover-up is "They Don't Want To See Us Together" by Bobby And Walter on LA CADE. 

[Blackpoolsoul 713]

15 minutes ago, Sebastian said:

As Simon T hinted at above, the "Joseph Webster" cover-up is "They Don't Want To See Us Together" by Bobby And Walter on LA CADE. 

That might be Bob Pitmann and Walter Williams, Chicago ? (I should have known from the scan)

Edited Monday at 12:35 by Blackpoolsoul

[Sebastian 509]

20 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

That might be Bob Pitmann and Walter Williams, Chicago ? (I should have known from the scan)

...or Walter "Butterball" Davis, who also had a release on LA CADE?

Edited Tuesday at 08:44 by Sebastian

[Gold Band 293]

Hi Sebastian, I am now very confused

                Real Record

  

Carver?

Kirsty

[Chalky 14,216]

9 hours ago, Gold Band said:

Hi Sebastian, I am now very confused

                Real Record

  

Carver?

Kirsty

Two different records Kirsty, the top one is covered up as Joseph Webster

[Chalky 14,216]

19 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

That might be Bob Pitmann and Walter Williams, Chicago ? (I should have known from the scan)

According to catalogue of entries it is Walter Williams & Bobby Freeman

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ikkhAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA761&lpg=PA761&dq=bobby+and+walter+they+don't+want+to+see+us+together&source=bl&ots=DcxcIj3GtJ&sig=ACfU3U0rl4wuSLznnl8CpJuyN-MNfuEHGQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiYlKHh0oLnAhWNURUIHTTYBQ8Q6AEwBXoECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=bobby and walter they don't want to see us together&f=false

 

[Blackpoolsoul 713]

14 minutes ago, Chalky said:

According to catalogue of entries it is Walter Williams & Bobby Freeman

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ikkhAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA761&lpg=PA761&dq=bobby+and+walter+they+don't+want+to+see+us+together&source=bl&ots=DcxcIj3GtJ&sig=ACfU3U0rl4wuSLznnl8CpJuyN-MNfuEHGQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiYlKHh0oLnAhWNURUIHTTYBQ8Q6AEwBXoECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=bobby and walter they don't want to see us together&f=false

 

Is that an entry for the writers Karl or singers, as there are 2 Bob's on the label (which is why my brain gets confused)

[Sebastian 509]

24 minutes ago, Chalky said:

According to catalogue of entries it is Walter Williams & Bobby Freeman

 

Those are the song writers, but may not be the singers. 

[Chalky 14,216]

1 minute ago, Sebastian said:

Those are the song writers, but may not be the singers. 

True

[Blackpoolsoul 713]

1 hour ago, Chalky said:

True

Shall I open a "look at your box thread" for it

[Soulstrutter 109]

Many thanks for all your contributions.  To summarise the initial query:

Nicole Grace - Tomorrow (@ 02:24:53)

NO INFO YET

- Esther Grant (I think ... couldn't quite make out what he announced) - Take My Heart (@ 02:27:13) which is superb.

This is a cover-up originating from Ady Croasdel which may or may not see the light of day eventually on Kent

- He also played a Gilly acetate covered up? as Little Miss Dee Dee - You Better Wake Up (@ 02:07:50) which he said was being released this year.  

Little Miss Dee Dee is a cover up and is being released on Hayley later this year

- Mick H played an acetate titled 'The Wind Is My Friend' (no artist named) (@ 02:57:47)

This is confirmed as a 10" acetate (no artist so far available)

- Also both Mick & Sam played tracks announced as by Joseph Webster (Mick @03:14:05 & Sam @04:43:23) both funky tunes - sounds like the same artist - are they cover-ups? on the same 45? .. or has an obscure Joseph Webster 45 surfaced?

Sam's track was Joseph Webster - My Love So Strong (on Crow)

Mick H's is a cover-up now uncovered as Bobby & Walter - They Don't Want To See Us Together [La Cade #LC100] 1973
... I'm sure Mick is 'delighted'

Jury still out on who Bobby & Walter are. Writers: B. (Bob) Pittman, W. (Walter) Williams, B. (Bobby) Freeman
Suggestions are:
Bob PIttman & Walter Williams
Walter 'Butterball' Davis
Bobby Freeman & Walter Williams

[Soulstrutter 109]

Just checked Discogs and 'RytmMalmo' has created a new listing for Bobby & Walter within the last 24 hours and the submission notes shows:

'New submission. Obscure 45 by Walter Butterball Davis and Bobby Pittman.'

.. of course this might be a 'guess'

https://www.discogs.com/Bobby-And-Walter-They-Dont-Want-To-See-Us-Together-Just-Let-Me-Know/release/14650461

[Chalky 14,216]

1 hour ago, Soulstrutter said:

Just checked Discogs and 'RytmMalmo' has created a new listing for Bobby & Walter within the last 24 hours and the submission notes shows:

'New submission. Obscure 45 by Walter Butterball Davis and Bobby Pittman.'

.. of course this might be a 'guess'

https://www.discogs.com/Bobby-And-Walter-They-Dont-Want-To-See-Us-Together-Just-Let-Me-Know/release/14650461

Obviously an assumption on his part given that Butterball has a release on the same label.  All the evidence though points to a Walter Williams. 

[Blackpoolsoul 713]

7 hours ago, Chalky said:

Obviously an assumption on his part given that Butterball has a release on the same label.  All the evidence though points to a Walter Williams. 

Found this really nice article about the label (which started of as hair products company), it may help with theories

https://darkjive.com/2012/02/08/la-cade-the-little-hair-care-company-that-made-some-big-waves/

 

Edited Wednesday at 06:30 by Blackpoolsoul

[Soulstrutter 109]

9 hours ago, Chalky said:

Obviously an assumption on his part given that Butterball has a release on the same label.  All the evidence though points to a Walter Williams. 

I suspect it is ... as the only other release attributed to Bob(by) Pittman (if you click link) is from 1946!!!!  ... but I suspect that this is not the same Bob Pittman. 

https://www.discogs.com/artist/458330-Bobby-Pittman

I'm with you Chalky Bobby Freeman & Walter Williams (or perhaps Walter Butterball Davis)

 

Edited Wednesday at 08:28 by Soulstrutter

[Soulstrutter 109]

4 hours ago, Soulstrutter said:

I suspect it is ... as the only other release attributed to Bob(by) Pittman (if you click link) is from 1946!!!!  ... but I suspect that this is not the same Bob Pittman. 

https://www.discogs.com/artist/458330-Bobby-Pittman

I'm with you Chalky Bobby Freeman & Walter Williams (or perhaps Walter Butterball Davis)

 

... and thought I'd have a poke on 45Cat and found another 2 45s by them:

https://www.45cat.com/record/fs8805

Bobby & Walter - One, Two, Three/Do It Like You Feel It [Sanns]

It's definately them as same writers: B. Freeman, B. Pittman on A side One, Two, Three and W. Williams, B. Pittman on B side Do It Like You Feel It

... which in turn links to this release:

https://www.45cat.com/record/nc004308us

Sweet Bobby And Honey Boy - Watch The One Who's Talking/Tell The Truth [Sound O Riffic]  ... both sides written by B. Freeman, W. Williams

no dates on either

None of the 'float my boat' ... sort of funky/blues

 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 12:40 by Soulstrutter

[Sebastian 509]

11 hours ago, Soulstrutter said:

Just checked Discogs and 'RytmMalmo' has created a new listing for Bobby & Walter within the last 24 hours and the submission notes shows:

'New submission. Obscure 45 by Walter Butterball Davis and Bobby Pittman.'

.. of course this might be a 'guess'

https://www.discogs.com/Bobby-And-Walter-They-Dont-Want-To-See-Us-Together-Just-Let-Me-Know/release/14650461

 

I'm RytmMalmo on Discogs and created the entry.

That was indeed only guesswork on my part and I shouldn't have written that it in the submission notes, but luckily it's not visible to the casual browser. 

I'm with you and Chalky, seems very probable that it's Bobby Freeman and Walter Williams.