whats your shout on it ?

Yes, you're not wrong - I am on the ball today!

By the way, love the pic you posted! Was that you back in the day?

I guess the "James Trouble circa 1983" under the photo would have been the clue there for you.

You're like a knife today, Gene. Razor sharp and cutting with your insight and wit. I'd best get off home to watch the cricket before you get nasty...

Edited August 3, 200916 yr by James Trouble

I guess the "James Trouble circa 1983" under the photo would have been the clue there for you.

You're like a knife today, Gene. Razor sharp and cutting with your insight and wit. I'd best get off home to watch the cricket before you get nasty...

Oh.........OK then. Enjoy the cricket. Bye for now (waves)

Edited August 3, 200916 yr by Gene-R

I looked at that, i had it back in the day (sorry james) but that label tear and the sound quality did not make that a good deal IMO

agree on the label tear but I thought it sounded fine

in 2009 a pretty good deal i'd say.

I looked at that, i had it back in the day (sorry james) but that label tear and the sound quality did not make that a good deal IMO

i swear that john wesley is on ebay every single week, there's a billion in popsike (way more than the cheaper one), i can't believe it's still so expensive actually. it's usually trashed though.

i swear that john wesley is on ebay every single week, there's a billion in popsike (way more than the cheaper one), i can't believe it's still so expensive actually. it's usually trashed though.

get me a good playing copy cheap then

but I do agrree there are quite a few in popsike. But still a brilliant record.

i swear that john wesley is on ebay every single week, there's a billion in popsike (way more than the cheaper one), i can't believe it's still so expensive actually. it's usually trashed though.

Bob ,you've been told a million times to stop exagerating

I wouldn't even pay £3k to get my wife back from kidnappers though

Given the week I've had, how much would you pay ?

agree on the label tear but I thought it sounded fine

in 2009 a pretty good deal i'd say.

only the buyer would say that you try and sell that over here at a soul night / nighter no chance at that price and Boba is right i bet theres been at least 8/9 over the last 2 years

Not very often a record splits things down the middle like this - people seem to either love it or hate it.

you could say its a sort of MARMITE soul record then !

To me it's too monotonous by half - dead boring. Realise I'll be in trouble with some of my fellow collectors, but there you wanted a view now you have one.

Don't you mean Relentless & Thunderin' one of my all time favourites. So good was it I thought it was a tailor made when I first heard it!!!

Of course everyone is entitled to thier opinion...... but that bass piano, plaintive vocals, whacky horns and bass break are a dancers delight !!!!

only the buyer would say that you try and sell that over here at a soul night / nighter no chance at that price and Boba is right i bet theres been at least 8/9 over the last 2 years

I didn't buy it don't know who did.....

Don't you mean Relentless & Thunderin' one of my all time favourites. So good was it I thought it was a tailor made when I first heard it!!!

Of course everyone is entitled to thier opinion...... but that bass piano, plaintive vocals, whacky horns and bass break are a dancers delight !!!!

whether you hate it or not will any djs who aint got the original say they will be playin it on a carvers ,cd or laptop lets see how many ?

Edited August 3, 200916 yr by Guest

CERTAINLY REMEMBER AT LEAST A COUPLE OF WILLIAM POWELLS ON EBAY, THAT DIDNT GO FOR HALF AS LAST NIGHTS, OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, THO' STRANGELY CANT FIND EM ON POPSIKE

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whether you hate it or not will any djs who aint got the original say they will be playin it on a carvers ,cd or laptop lets see how many ?

No, cause if they would they wouldn`t be DJ`s. IMO.

Don`t understand the argument about this 45.Wether its to your taste or not, four things for sure, its dead rare, its been never on ebay before (?), its one of the so-called northern anthems/trophies and its in the guides at 4000 UKP...so the actual price is a discount of 25 %.

Good price ? Sure for someone who wanted the record badly and never had a chance to get hold of it.

Marc

NB

Gary Spencer also had a copy, at least he was playing it several times when he was invited to Berlin early nineties.

Edited August 3, 200916 yr by Marc Forrest

The record was covered up by Richard Searling as Bobby Jason "Heartaches Souvenirs"

Sean

Not quite how i remember it , i'm shure no one wants the full sp on this but he was the 3rd person to play it out, best, Arthur.

Don't you mean Relentless & Thunderin' one of my all time favourites. So good was it I thought it was a tailor made when I first heard it!!!

Of course everyone is entitled to thier opinion...... but that bass piano, plaintive vocals, whacky horns and bass break are a dancers delight !!!!

No I meant boring and monotonous SJC. As someone who dances, I don't find it exciting either. Glad to see I am not alone.

this record is terrible.

Not quite how i remember it , i'm shure no one wants the full sp on this but he was the 3rd person to play it out, best, Arthur.

Edited August 8, 200916 yr by hippopotamus

Not quite how i remember it , i'm shure no one wants the full sp on this but he was the 3rd person to play it out, best, Arthur.

I was there when Sam 1st played it at Wigan it was around Christmas time 79.

To quite Sam "The the 1st time at the Casino the brand new one from Bobby Jason and All These Things."

I was stood on the stage with Sam, Richard and Ian Gillabrand.

I have a tape of Sam's spot and Richard's spot, from that night.

William Powell is undoubtedly a great oldie .........why is everyone banging on about it's value...it's the quality that counts and this tune has it for sure, but the same fella had a fecking awesome uptempo dancer for sale which in my opinion knocks spots off it.....tezza

I was there when Sam 1st played it at Wigan it was around Christmas time 79.

To quite Sam "The the 1st time at the Casino the brand new one from Bobby Jason and All These Things."

I was stood on the stage with Sam, Richard and Ian Gillabrand.

I have a tape of Sam's spot and Richard's spot, from that night.

dave,i would and probably loads of others would love to hear that tape !!!,

I was there when Sam 1st played it at Wigan it was around Christmas time 79.

To quite Sam "The the 1st time at the Casino the brand new one from Bobby Jason and All These Things."

I was stood on the stage with Sam, Richard and Ian Gillabrand.

I have a tape of Sam's spot and Richard's spot, from that night.

read arthurs post...twas the mighty fennster who found the record in the states & covered it up as bobby jason

I was there when Sam 1st played it at Wigan it was around Christmas time 79.

To quite Sam "The the 1st time at the Casino the brand new one from Bobby Jason and All These Things."

I was stood on the stage with Sam, Richard and Ian Gillabrand.

I have a tape of Sam's spot and Richard's spot, from that night.

Happy days indeed but it was played out first at the highwaymans halt at snaith & other venues way before it's outing at wigan, Arthur.

a

Edited August 13, 200916 yr by beachcomber

Happy days indeed but it was played out first at the highwaymans halt at snaith & other venues way before it's outing at wigan, Arthur.

Too right they were Arthur.

Didn't Sam trade the William Powell & the Damon Fox with Richard for Larry Houston & ZZ & Co.

Not the best of moves by Sam but guess it was right at the time.

Seem to remember Gary Rushbrooke having a William Powell as well shortly after.

Too right they were Arthur.

Didn't Sam trade the William Powell & the Damon Fox with Richard for Larry Houston & ZZ & Co.

Not the best of moves by Sam but guess it was right at the time.

Not as bad a move as Arthur selling it to Sam in the first place .

(I know he's always regretted letting that one go, coz I've overheard him tell enough of his mates)

I'd asked Arthur last night whether I remember William Powell as one of his plays (as told to me, that he'd played it first on the UK scene) and he gave me the full story of how he took his mate Ady to a record shop in America... blah, blah, blah, blah...

...anyway, wish I hadn't asked!

m

James,

We didn't come on here to discuss stocks, shares or rate of interest/inflation. Neither did I say, or even imply, that £150 was cheap "back in the day".

In return, what really gets on my tits is people who twist statements to how they want to interpret them. So don't tell me what to do by asking us to stop this "back in the day nonsense" as you call it. Strange how it's only those who object were those who were running around in shorts and too young to even know about it (ie, the sour grapes brigade).

only the buyer would say that you try and sell that over here at a soul night / nighter no chance at that price and Boba is right i bet theres been at least 8/9 over the last 2 years

8/9 copies in 2 years is fcuk all....

there are more expensive records that turn up a lot mroe often than that.

Happy days indeed but it was played out first at the highwaymans halt at snaith & other venues way before it's outing at wigan, Arthur.

Hi Arthur, take it you are well.

The Highwayman's Halt where was that, in East Yorks?

I didn't know William Powell was one of yours.

The 1st time I heard it, was when Sam played it at Wigan.

Dave.

DON'T REALLY CARE WHO PLAYED IT FIRST, BUT AT LEAST WE ACCERTAINED WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE. IT'S STILL A DUFFER, THO A VERY EXPENSIVE ONE (IMHO) AND THATS WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT .....ISNT IT

BRI PINCH.

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8/9 copies in 2 years is fcuk all....

there are more expensive records that turn up a lot mroe often than that.

YEAH BUT ARE THEY AS GOOD OR AS BAD HOWS THAT FOR DIPLOMACY

Not quite how i remember it , i'm shure no one wants the full sp on this but he was the 3rd person to play it out, best, Arthur.

Sorry Arthur, credit where its due.

Thought you, Sam & Marco were ahead of the game on most things at the time... guess HH Snaith is hardly even a memory for most people nowadays.

Exciting times though matey.

Hope you're well... seems an age!

Sean

Not as bad a move as Arthur selling it to Sam in the first place .

(I know he's always regretted letting that one go, coz I've overheard him tell enough of his mates)

I'd asked Arthur last night whether I remember William Powell as one of his plays (as told to me, that he'd played it first on the UK scene) and he gave me the full story of how he took his mate Ady to a record shop in America... blah, blah, blah, blah...

...anyway, wish I hadn't asked!

m

Best post of this thread IMHO - Nice one Maria

Not as bad a move as Arthur selling it to Sam in the first place .

(I know he's always regretted letting that one go, coz I've overheard him tell enough of his mates)

I'd asked Arthur last night whether I remember William Powell as one of his plays (as told to me, that he'd played it first on the UK scene) and he gave me the full story of how he took his mate Ady to a record shop in America... blah, blah, blah, blah...

...anyway, wish I hadn't asked!

m

I quite like the stories Maria, that is unless he's sat in the back of the car enroute somewhere prodding you in the shoulder at all the interesting bits as you're driving along. No wonder we get lost on the way to venues.

Strange that's not the case returning home when you're both snoring.

Anyway I quite like it as a nostalgia/place in time track.

Pete

YEAH BUT ARE THEY AS GOOD OR AS BAD HOWS THAT FOR DIPLOMACY

JW is one of my fave uptempo oldies so i'm a little biased in my view. However good it is though i'd be happy to hear it played by a DJ at a venue without realy needing to own the actual 45. Not unless I found it cheapish

I would rather have 3 or 4 great deep soul records for that kind of money.

Sorry Arthur, credit where its due.

Thought you, Sam & Marco were ahead of the game on most things at the time... guess HH Snaith is hardly even a memory for most people nowadays.

Exciting times though matey.

Hope you're well... seems an age!

Sean

Hi Sean, gd thanks, get yourself to lifeline , best, Arthur

Hi Sean, gd thanks, get yourself to lifeline , best, Arthur

,he's still recovering from his 5 hour marathon last time out,( how does it go Sean? - put a 12" on for a toilet break )

Hi Sean, gd thanks, get yourself to lifeline , best, Arthur

Am going to the next one, Arthur.

Will catch up then matey for sure!

Sean

,he's still recovering from his 5 hour marathon last time out,( how does it go Sean? - put a 12" on for a toilet break )

Yeh - but I don't think my Boney M "Daddy Cool" twelve went down too well, so they called me back to change it, mid-piddle!

Sean

whats your shout on it ?

Anybody on here seen this?

https://cgi.ebay.com/Howard-Rice-William-Powell-POWER-HOUSE-Funk-45-HEAR_W0QQitemZ200370548912QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMusic_on_Vinyl?hash=item2ea703f0b0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_1662wt_983

£150 invested in a ZERO risk 25 year bond would give you about £650 with a 6% interest rate. Hey, £150 would be worth something like £400 today, at a rough guess, if it increased in line with inflation!!!!!!!

But if you had put you £150 into the FTSE 100, which by coincidence was formed a year after your mates "bargain" in 1983, it would now be worth something like £3000 (now there's a coincidence), even accounting for the recent falls in the stock market.

Please, stop this back in the day nonsense. £150 in 1983 was not cheap (or expensive). Get over it, people. £150 invested in a rare soul record in 1983 is not the same as £150 cash today

I don't really understand your point here? Thanks for clearing up the market shifts and trends, but surely the point was that the record COST £150. Which you have now pointed out is the same as £400 today. I'm sure the original point was "I wish I could buy the record TODAY for £400"? Nobody treats records as investments, surely? Just people occasionally point out that some of them have shot up in value. At a similar rate to the FTSE 100 apparently. I daresay if you'd invested your £150 back then into stocks and shares, it could just as well be worth £10 or £10,000,000?

Maybe in future, just pop a graph onto the discussions of values on records, with what the initial "investment" would be worth if ploughed into suitable low-risk stocks and shares VERSUS the true value of record in 2009?

I don't really understand your point here? Thanks for clearing up the market shifts and trends, but surely the point was that the record COST £150. Which you have now pointed out is the same as £400 today. I'm sure the original point was "I wish I could buy the record TODAY for £400"? Nobody treats records as investments, surely? Just people occasionally point out that some of them have shot up in value. At a similar rate to the FTSE 100 apparently. I daresay if you'd invested your £150 back then into stocks and shares, it could just as well be worth £10 or £10,000,000?

Maybe in future, just pop a graph onto the discussions of values on records, with what the initial "investment" would be worth if ploughed into suitable low-risk stocks and shares VERSUS the true value of record in 2009?

The point is £150 in 1980 was not a very cheap price for a rare and good record. £150 may be worth £400 today in line with inflation, but the value of rare and good records, which William Powell is, has not increased in line with inflation. The price of rare and good records have increased in line with all other good and scarce assets in the world. And since the value of all assets have increased over time by more than the rate of monetary inflation it is not right to compare £150 spent on a rare and good record in 1980 to £150 spent on Mars Bars in 1980.

All objects have value, including physical objects as well as abstract objects. Rare and good records have value attached to them based on their physical rarity and quality. But there is also an abstract quality in rare soul records based on the history attached to them. So their value represents their degree of importance on the scene they are attached to as well as their physical rarity and the quality of the music.

And yes, rare soul records are assets, they are not consumables like throw away MP3s or Mars Bars. It is only right to compare their prices in 1980 relative to the price of other assets and scarce resources at the time, not to the price of money or consumables in 1980.

Edited August 6, 200916 yr by James Trouble

Yeh - but I don't think my Boney M "Daddy Cool" twelve went down too well, so they called me back to change it, mid-piddle!

Sean

Can you start playing something we don't know Sean

I don't really understand your point here? Thanks for clearing up the market shifts and trends, but surely the point was that the record COST £150. Which you have now pointed out is the same as £400 today. I'm sure the original point was "I wish I could buy the record TODAY for £400"? Nobody treats records as investments, surely? Just people occasionally point out that some of them have shot up in value. At a similar rate to the FTSE 100 apparently. I daresay if you'd invested your £150 back then into stocks and shares, it could just as well be worth £10 or £10,000,000?

Maybe in future, just pop a graph onto the discussions of values on records, with what the initial "investment" would be worth if ploughed into suitable low-risk stocks and shares VERSUS the true value of record in 2009?

No, your right there. Oh, wait a minute, what about record dealers like J.M. or Craig Moerer, just about any record shop really. DJs i suppose as well, and promoters so that they can pull in the most paying punters. Records producers would be in that bracket of investing in equipment to make records to make money. And dont forget the bootleggers investing in the actual vinyl to carve up and sell.

Can you start playing something we don't know Sean

Yeh, I thought it was one o' yours mate.

Sean

Not as bad a move as Arthur selling it to Sam in the first place .

(I know he's always regretted letting that one go, coz I've overheard him tell enough of his mates)

I'd asked Arthur last night whether I remember William Powell as one of his plays (as told to me, that he'd played it first on the UK scene) and he gave me the full story of how he took his mate Ady to a record shop in America... blah, blah, blah, blah...

...anyway, wish I hadn't asked!

m

Happy memories of yesteryear, but ask Arthur about the more chilling memory of the crossbow hanging on the wall in Ady's house in Snaith!!!

fantastic stafford spin

would of liked it to play in my set

my mate nige johnson from macclesfield has one ,but he will never sell it

been asking him to sell this,deltours,eric mercury etc for years

Edited August 6, 200916 yr by keithw

DON'T REALLY CARE WHO PLAYED IT FIRST, BUT AT LEAST WE ACCERTAINED WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE. IT'S STILL A DUFFER, THO A VERY EXPENSIVE ONE (IMHO) AND THATS WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT .....ISNT IT

BRI PINCH.

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Accertain who was responsible! i think you need a sunday Chill out

I think it's a great Northern Soul record, like a lot of things, sounds better played loud, but only my opinion. My copy came from a good friend of mine from Pittsburgh, who found it locally, amongst a pile of records (including the Ringleaders on M Pac) back in March.

Des

FOR SURE ARTHUR, WELCOME TO SS, JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION MATE, YOU PULLED OUT SOME REAL GEMS OVER THE YEARS PAL, BUT THIS AIN'T ONE OF EM

BRI PINCH.