Allways puzzled me this one, things like Bernie williams [bell] Billy woods [sussex] how they became such super rare items, you`d have thought a this of the more obscure local labels, i know theres a few of them also.

In the case of those two records, they were never issued, Bernie Williams was distributed as dj copies but I bet very few Billy Woods demos were even sent out for some reason.

Know what you mean though. Yum YUms on ABC for a start.

There are often contractual disputes which prevent a record getting distributed at the last moment or 'pulled'. Or the preceding record becomes a big hit so the company puts all their efforts into promoting that. Or it just doesn't get the airplay they'd hoped for. Or the Promotional / A&R men don't distribute them and they get binned instead. Or the artist has signed somewhere else by the time the record comes out. Or the thing was never going to get properly promoted, but it came as part of a job lot (e.g. three groups on a deal to get a record out on a label and despite putting it out the company never gets behind the third one). Or there's a fault on the pressing (could even include mis-spelling or omitted names)...many reasons, even for larger labels.

Edited January 5, 201213 yr by Steve G

Bernie Williams was issued on Bell. Ginger has one and there is one for sale with Pete French. Bloody rare all the same. How many Billy Woods do we reckon there are? I have one and I sold one about 1985, these are not the same copies. So any takers at a guess?

Prehaps not as rare as the 2 examplesd give but 2 on decca that i think are pretty rare.

rayons "i'm giving up" and tony ashley "i'll go crazy" thety are actually consecutive label numbers as well and the tony ashley features the rayons on backing vocals.

Prehaps not as rare as the 2 examplesd give but 2 on decca that i think are pretty rare.

rayons "i'm giving up" and tony ashley "i'll go crazy" thety are actually consecutive label numbers as well and the tony ashley features the rayons on backing vocals.

...Sorry to be a pedant, but there ARE no backing vocals on 'I'll Go Crazy'...

Agree with you about the rarity factor, though. If only it was as good as Don Bryant's much cheaper version on Hi...

Ivories on Wand, withdrawn.... Inspirations on breakthrough, 2-3 copies, these two always get the blood moving..... no promo of Inspirations I think given it was a little label...

I assume were not including releases that made promo, got withdrawn and re issued on the same label due to label miss spelling or quality issues here? cause that would open it up..

on the other way round Tim Brown had an issue of Jimmy Mack - my world is on fire, and a Red mercury issue of Jimmy Hart - tea House in China town quite recently very nice

and there is a Promo of Chrysler & Monarch's band on the bay at the mo, never seen that before..

have I drifted?

Mal.C

Edited January 5, 201213 yr by Mal.C.

I thought I read somewhere that I'll Go Crazy was released around the time of Tony Ashley's death, so was never promoted. I've also never seen demo's of either I'll Go Crazy or I'm Giving Up, Baby. Do any exist?

I've always wondered about Mel Williams on Buddah - either they got disposed of or one day someone is going to find a pile of them

As I've said before on here, Landa is hardly a rare label and Don Covay is certainly not a a rare artist but I've never turned up a copy of Don's 'You're Good For Me' on said label in 40+ years of looking - although I know it exists as both a demo and a stocker as I've seen scans of both.

I've posted up a want for it on here on at least one occasion, maybe more. And it's never gone through eBay in the 10 years or so that I've been a member.

Why would a single on a nationally distributed label (by Jamie-Guyden) by an artist who'd already had several near hits on Columbia be so stupidly rare, I wonder?

I've always wondered about Mel Williams on Buddah - either they got disposed of or one day someone is going to find a pile of them

they must be out there Kev.. one day!! there are quite a few 45's that say taken from LP that I've never seen also, world funkiest band, and Ernest baker - alone again are two standouts..

i am drifting, sorry folks.

m

Edited January 5, 201213 yr by Mal.C.

I've always wondered about Mel Williams on Buddah - either they got disposed of or one day someone is going to find a pile of them

Mel Williams is more down to demand than being rare, most copies are and will probably remain in collections.

There are alot harder releases on Buddah for instance Janice Joyce and Triboro Exchange Issue for example

Dave

As I've said before on here, Landa is hardly a rare label and Don Covay is certainly not a a rare artist but I've never turned up a copy of Don's 'You're Good For Me' on said label in 40+ years of looking - although I know it exists as both a demo and a stocker as I've seen scans of both.

I've posted up a want for it on here on at least one occasion, maybe more. And it's never gone through eBay in the 10 years or so that I've been a member.

Why would a single on a nationally distributed label (by Jamie-Guyden) by an artist who'd already had several near hits on Columbia be so stupidly rare, I wonder?

I regularly read the web version of Billboard Magazine and in the R&B section of November 1964, it has it as a "record to watch" and surely at that time apart from DJ's playing it, you couldn't have had a better place to plug a record....

In the case of those two records, they were never issued, Bernie Williams was distributed as dj copies but I bet very few Billy Woods demos were even sent out for some reason.

Know what you mean though. Yum YUms on ABC for a start.

Yum YUms on ABC Too right Pete, theres another prime example for you, funny how theres not really one from the RCA stable?

Yum YUms on ABC Too right Pete, theres another prime example for you, funny how theres not really one from the RCA stable?

there are lots of 70s records on RCA that are extremely difficult to find as stock copies with a different b-side (which always seem to be better for some reason).

Rare issues are another subject altogether - sometimes because the record company abandoned the release after promo due to lack of response, and ditched the stock.

Rare issues are another subject altogether - sometimes because the record company abandoned the release after promo due to lack of response, and ditched the stock.

And that Steve is what makes collecting real /original records opposed to re-issues ....pieces of plastic that have a hidden story waiting to be unearthed ..some of which we will probably never know ,but remain hopeful eh

Thanls for the replies folks, what i was trying to get at was how come some of these larger national distributed labels, some of the releases are harder to unearth than the smaller local labels, which surely did smaller/shorter runs of there releases

Hi you all

And johnny maestro - stepping out ...on scepter.

Famous label...great artists...?!

Thanks

loren

Sam Williams on tower

and probably northern souls rarest record on the most common label

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgTsWTdxUvE

...Sorry to be a pedant, but there ARE no backing vocals on 'I'll Go Crazy'...

Agree with you about the rarity factor, though. If only it was as good as Don Bryant's much cheaper version on Hi...

You don't need to tell me that I have the record

the rayons sing on the flip but I suspect you already know that.

...Sorry to be a pedant, but there ARE no backing vocals on 'I'll Go Crazy'...

Agree with you about the rarity factor, though. If only it was as good as Don Bryant's much cheaper version on Hi...

I also think this version is better than Don Bryant.

Sam Williams on tower

and probably northern souls rarest record on the most common label

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgTsWTdxUvE

sam williams on tower isn't a rare record IMO.

Yum YUms on ABC for a start.

Talking of ABC how about Tommy Tate? Two GREAT sides and as rare as they come.

sam williams on tower isn't a rare record IMO.

OK how about this one Where are the demo's ?

or this rare as hens teeth !

Edited January 5, 201213 yr by allnightandy

OK how about this one Where are the demo's ?

or this rare as hens teeth !

I can't see youtube embedded links on this computer what are they ?

And don't get me wrong i'd love a copy of sam williams as its a brilliant record but i'm not paying the kind of money it sells for. I have the deep soul flip on a small label and that is a seriously hard to find record but not the kind of thing being discussed here.

1st one is The Andantes "like a" Nightmare on VIP Stock copy

and the 2nd is Try me for your new love by Junior McCants on King

Dylan post already answered.....post deleted.

Edited January 5, 201213 yr by Steve G

1st one is The Andantes "like a" Nightmare on VIP Stock copy

and the 2nd is Try me for your new love by Junior McCants on King

can't disagree with you on those two

I'm going to have to splash some cash on a new laptop soon this is driving me nuts

1st one is The Andantes "like a" Nightmare on VIP Stock copy and the 2nd is Try me for your new love by Junior McCants on King

Patrice Holloway - Stevie also on VIP and also rare as hens teeth....

Tommy Tate on ABC...only know of two copies over here......

Stormie Wynters on Mercury

sam williams on tower isn't a rare record IMO.

It's super-rare.

It's super-rare.

We will have to disagree on that one. I've seen enough copies to convince me its not rare.

From the 70s the 'X Rated' version of The Manhattans "Kiss and say goodbye" on Columbia

Edited January 5, 201213 yr by Steve G

Cornelius Dwyer - Steppin Too fast - 20th Century Fox, one of the rarest on the label.

Yes good call on C.Dwyer.

Cornelius Dwyer - Steppin Too fast - 20th Century Fox, one of the rarest on the label.

Thats a brilliant record. I've never seen that for sale.

I have a killer northern record on dimension by the Delacardos. I've only seen it the one time I got it, although it is on the dimension discography at soulfulkindamusic.net. It sounds sort of like the hollywood fames dance senorita but more cleanly produced and better imo. So the artist and label are big but the record is rare for some reason.

Thats a brilliant record. I've never seen that for sale.

havent been looking very hard

_{Why is it that nearly every release on WAY OUT is gettable, other than 'Demanding Man'.}

_{Very annoyed of Stoke.}

havent been looking very hard

That was cheap as well Ted IMO, dunno why you sold it, got lots of life in that one. Rate it twice what you sold it for.

_{Why is it that nearly every release on WAY OUT is gettable, other than 'Demanding Man'.}

_{Very annoyed of Stoke.}

Good point Jim, thats the sort of thing i`m talking about, also have you ever noticed how there usually the best on the label GRRRRRRRRR

That was cheap as well Ted IMO, dunno why you sold it, got lots of life in that one. Rate it twice what you sold it for.

its gone now no one off SS didnt even get a sniff

Heres another

All the Sensations 45's are just great tho, my fave is 'New day', at least I didn't have to sell my kidney for that one.

Oh well.

...or actually Soul Notes 'Don't make me beg'

I'm off to play em.

havent been looking very hard

WOW !!

To be honest I haven't been in the game of looking properly for a while now. BUt when I was looking I would've snapped your hand off at that price.

All the Sensations 45's are just great tho, my fave is 'New day', at least I didn't have to sell my kidney for that one.

Oh well.

...or actually Soul Notes 'Don't make me beg'

I'm off to play em.

All the Sensations 45's are just great. Agreed Jim, gotta find myself another girl, my fave

All the Sensations 45's are just great tho, my fave is 'New day', at least I didn't have to sell my kidney for that one.

I agree this is the best one, the flip is killer too. Honestly, the rare one is mediocre compared to the other ones which are all killer.

its gone now no one off SS didnt even get a sniff

Some of us already have it Ted

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Some of us already have it Ted

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Perhaps it's a case of selling too Fast rather than Stepping!!!