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  • Pete S
    Pete S

    Why does he need a reason to post something about a rare record?

  • Arthur Fenn
    Arthur Fenn

    The one i found i traded with Sam who then let John Manship have it, this would be i guess 97/98, i hadn't at this time really got back into the northern thing (& was never a big fan of this track

  • Pete S
    Pete S

    Oh sorry, didn't realise it was so common.

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Wonder what this will make? Good luck SS members.

I'm moving this to look in your box as it's more about records / ebay.

Also, not sure why you made this post. I know you're not the seller. Did you want to be the first to post about it?

I'm moving this to look in your box as it's more about records / ebay.

Also, not sure why you made this post. I know you're not the seller. Did you want to be the first to post about it?

Why does he need a reason to post something about a rare record?

There's loads of threads about ebay sales of rarities and people wondering what they're going to fetch, this is just the latest one of many Bob.

Absolutely Pete. FOlk on SS often post up about extremely rare items coming up for sale - FB on Rouser is quite an event in our exciting little world of rare soul. Reason enough to post something.

Absolutely Pete. FOlk on SS often post up about extremely rare items coming up for sale - FB on Rouser is quite an event in our exciting little world of rare soul. Reason enough to post something.

Very much so, only the third or fourth one maybe?

@ Pete S, there was one Ebay in March, details on Popsike (link below). JM sold one this year also (if memory serves me right), that is 3 known copies alone this year does that make it 5 or 6 ??

The one up for grabs now looks a lot cleaner. Way out of my league.

https://www.popsike.c...0974926343.html

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@ Pete S, there was one Ebay in March, details on Popsike (link below). JM sold one this year also (if memory serves me right), that is 3 known copies alone this year does that make it 5 or 6 ??

The one up for grabs now looks a lot cleaner. Way out of my league.

https://www.popsike.c...0974926343.html

Oh sorry, didn't realise it was so common.

Oh sorry, didn't realise it was so common.

LOL :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

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LOL :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

No but you know what I mean, it's not one that does turn up a great deal - for a long time there were only two known copies

Aural sex!! :thumbsup:

Oh sorry, didn't realise it was so common.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm moving this to look in your box as it's more about records / ebay.

Also, not sure why you made this post. I know you're not the seller. Did you want to be the first to post about it?

I'm not sure about your post either Bob. Don't get it.

Must have been played at Blackpool @ weekend ? :P :P :P

Ouch. One way to get this thread closed down........ :rolleyes:

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it's a very rare reissue tho bro :)

I think i like your fairmount 1st issue better Bri :D

Geeoooooordie

What did the Rouser disc make folks?

Can't find a link.

Aid.

Me neither.

Rob :tumbleweed3:

Here you go folks, read it and weep -

https://www.ebay.com/...cvip=true&rt=nc

Ta Mark :thumbsup:

Cheap at half the price...? Have I imagined it or did one sell at $8,000 some years back ? :unsure:

Rob.

Twice :lol:

is that all

I have a copy of the Fairmount issue of this and have never seen or heard the Rouser version so I was interested in this copy of THE BUTLERS with FRANK BEVERLY - BECAUSE OF MY HEART - ROUSER 1017 because it had attached to it, what I assume were, 2 complete sound clips. The sound clip for BECAUSE OF MY HEART differs from my Fairmount copy in that the sax break is much shorter. It does not sound as though it skips at that point and the edit of the sax break sounds clean. So the question is - Does the Rouser version have a shorter sax break or is it just a fault with the sound clip that was attached to the listing. If you get a chance to listen to the sound clip and you know the Fairmount version well you will immediately hear what I am talking about. Anyone shed some light on this or am I going off my head !!!

The sound clip for BECAUSE OF MY HEART differs from my Fairmount copy in that the sax break is much shorter. It does not sound as though it skips at that point and the edit of the sax break sounds clean. So the question is - Does the Rouser version have a shorter sax break or is it just a fault with the sound clip that was attached to the listing.

It is not a fault - the Rouser version is indeed shorter than the Fairmount release.

yes the best part of the record, the sax break is shamefully cut off in its prime on the rouser copy......no one is certain when it was made but what is certain its a 2nd issue probably done 1968 or later by the producer after cameo/parkway bit the dust,,,,,,,,the release was probably cancelled due to copyright

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yes the best part of the record, the sax break is shamefully cut off in its prime on the rouser copy......no one is certain when it was made but what is certain its a 2nd issue probably done 1968 or later by the producer after cameo/parkway bit the dust,,,,,,,,the release was probably cancelled due to copyright

I don't want to start an argument like there was before, but can someone re-explain the evidence proving it was a second issue? not trying to start anything, I just don't remember and want to know. Thanks a lot.

it has the fairmount catalogue number bob....if it were just a local 1st issue it would have had its own number..remember fairmount was a decent label national distributed..also it was edited down when its clearly the same take.fairmount went out of business when cameo bit the dust 18 months after (f1017) was issued........i know normally it would be natural to think small local label picked up by bigger label for national distribution but i dont think thats the case with this 45..a bit like the lee williams stuff on lost nite..remember frank had other releases on fairmount also......i also believe that tommy rouse put it out and frank wasnt interested in it and wanted to move forward not backwards and had the release pulled

also i would like to add this is just my take on things as i see it and have no concrete evidence..but then again if we had concrete evidence to say rouser was 1st naturally i`d have a rethink

Edited by dave pinch

yes the best part of the record, the sax break is shamefully cut off in its prime on the rouser copy......no one is certain when it was made but what is certain its a 2nd issue probably done 1968 or later by the producer after cameo/parkway bit the dust,,,,,,,,the release was probably cancelled due to copyright

Can someone confirm exactly the year of release for the Fairmount 45 ? Comparing it with other common Fairmount release numbers it couldn't possibly be later than 1966 , could it ? And judging by the "Heatwave" like soul sound of "Because of My Heart" , surely it wouldn't have made any commercial sense for Rouser to re-issue the record in "68 or even later when the prevailing popular soul sound was Sly and The Family Stone , James Brown, psychedelic Temptations and funky Impressions ? Unless perhaps like the Lost Nite label , Rouser was trying to cash in on the "oldies" reissues at the time in light of the Butlers' origins as a doo-wop group ?

Edited by sunnysoul

f 1016 is a cover of wooley bully by lonnie young blood who had 3 releases on faiirmount.. 1 in 65 & 2 in 66.......i think because of my heart is late 1966 the label folded late 67

dont be confused by the fact that early fairmount releases say 1963 on them like cameo and parkway releases that just when the labels were patented ...

Funny one this

Seem to recall there has been debate on this before

My copy is a TEST PRESS...white label...THE BUTLERS Featuring Frank Beverley...it has the FAIRMOUT NUMBER stamped

It is however the ROUSER version with short Sax Break

Make any sense of that? :g:

Funny one this

Seem to recall there has been debate on this before

My copy is a TEST PRESS...white label...THE BUTLERS Featuring Frank Beverley...it has the FAIRMOUT NUMBER stamped

It is however the ROUSER version with short Sax Break

Make any sense of that? :g:

wow... that would make it rouser test pressing /promo john i`ll have to have a look at it next time i see you..

wow... that would make it rouser test pressing /promo john i`ll have to have a look at it next time i see you..

Dave...err,ok its a Sunday and my mind is just waking up,do I understand you to mean that the Fairmount issue was the first release then ? If that is so,then what would have been the reasoning to "re releasing",if that is the description,on a microscopic very ordinary looking local label ? Has anyone ever asked frank Beverly about it ? Sorry if it's been covered before,I'm just kinda followin' the thread with interest :wave:

Rob;

Funny one this

Seem to recall there has been debate on this before

My copy is a TEST PRESS...white label...THE BUTLERS Featuring Frank Beverley...it has the FAIRMOUT NUMBER stamped

It is however the ROUSER version with short Sax Break

Make any sense of that? :g:

Did it come from Arthur, John?

About 16 years ago we were in a shop in Rhode Island, Washington, DC, and in the basement was a small pile of records, in the corner, next to a record player, which I didn't get to look through, such was the vast quantity of vinyl down there.

About a fortnight later, Arthur and Sam went to the same place and Arthur told me about the Frank Beverly TP he'd found down there... In a pile of records, in the corner, next to the record player!

Not like me and my muckers to leave a stone unturned, but we did that day.... but haven't since!

:0)

Sean

Did it come from Arthur, John?

About 16 years ago we were in a shop in Rhode Island, Washington, DC, and in the basement was a small pile of records, in the corner, next to a record player, which I didn't get to look through, such was the vast quantity of vinyl down there.

About a fortnight later, Arthur and Sam went to the same place and Arthur told me about the Frank Beverly TP he'd found down there... In a pile of records, in the corner, next to the record player!

Not like me and my muckers to leave a stone unturned, but we did that day.... but haven't since!

:0)

Sean

Hi Sean

No...didnt come from Arthur...whether or not its the same item I dont know..trying to remember when I got it...maybe 10-12 years ago

John

Hi Sean

No...didnt come from Arthur...whether or not its the same item I dont know..trying to remember when I got it...maybe 10-12 years ago

John

Thanks John.

Pretty sure I recall Arthur saying it was a TP of the Rouser edit.

Makes sense, being found in Washington.

I always thought the Rouser copy was first small label release, but there's a lot of merit in the idea of it coming after the Fairmount issue, since it uses the Fairmount numbering.

Tommy Rouse's name does not appear on the Fairmount issue. Wonder if he was supposed to share joint credit with FB, got pissed off because his name didn't appear so pressed up his own?

There are numerous possible scenarios I can think of.

Always been a curious one since young Adam first played the Rouser copy BITD.

Would certainly like to know the facts behind it.

Sean

The one i found i traded with Sam who then let John Manship have it, this would be i guess 97/98, i hadn't at this time really got back into the northern thing (& was never a big fan of this track) but it was Rob Thomas who told me that the copy i had was probably a rousser test press, $3 well spent i suppose :yes:

Also, worth noting "A Quaker Town Production" is abbreviated to "A QT Production" on the Rouser issue.

Had to be shortened from something! Short form normally following the original in most instances.

Also adds weight to the theory it was done on the QT ;0)

Sean

The one i found i traded with Sam who then let John Manship have it, this would be i guess 97/98, i hadn't at this time really got back into the northern thing (& was never a big fan of this track) but it was Rob Thomas who told me that the copy i had was probably a rousser test press, $3 well spent i suppose :yes:

Nice one Arthur.

About 15 years ago would be right.

Was a great record shop.

Wonder if its still there.

Sean

Twas indeed Shaun, was that the one owned by/ or had some connection to Van Mcoys sister/manager/wife/uncle bla bla bla :unsure: , can't for the life of me remember, it was opposite a Mcdonalds tho :lol:

probably doesnt mean anything but it was franks 2nd release on the fairmount label..she kissed me is (f1012) also a quaker town production

Funny one this

Seem to recall there has been debate on this before

My copy is a TEST PRESS...white label...THE BUTLERS Featuring Frank Beverley...it has the FAIRMOUT NUMBER stamped

It is however the ROUSER version with short Sax Break

Make any sense of that? :g:

Can I make an early nomination for this to be the post of the year?

Twas indeed Shaun, was that the one owned by/ or had some connection to Van Mcoys sister/manager/wife/uncle bla bla bla :unsure: , can't for the life of me remember, it was opposite a Mcdonalds tho :lol:

That's right Arthur. Chris was Van McCoy's road manager for a number of years, apparently.

He gave us private press LP's of early VanMC stuff featuring Chris Bartley, Sandi Sheldon etc.

We had a good day there. Cashmeres Showstopper, a dozen Ruby Andrews, Vivian Reed etc. at 3 bucks apiece.

But left behind the grail, for you to pick up the week after.

:0)

Sean

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