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Guest Dave Ward

Why do some of my records have handwritten scratched messages on the out-track, smiley faces, signatures, mottoes, etc. others have stamped numbers, which I understand.as part of the pressing process. Is the scratching just graffiti ?

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They are quite rare on US pressings, common on UK, but there's a cracking one on the original of Vicki Nelson - Stoney Face - except I can't remember what it says.

 

They are quite rare on US pressings, common on UK, but there's a cracking one on the original of Vicki Nelson - Stoney Face - except I can't remember what it says.

 

 

from memory it says 'its a gas'...

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I don't think it devalues it at all really, as long as you tell people that it's there beforehand

 

I'd agree with that, but the logic of that time always seemed misplaced to me. It  seems more of a UK collectors thing...

 

However values were significantly lower then and it's definitely  a step up from scrawling your name across the label!

 

It seems that in certain cities in the US writing on the label it was more in vogue than others, Cleveland releases seem particularly blighted for example?

 

Must have been some serious house parties in that town back then..

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Scratching in the run off is done at the time of the cut by the cutting engineer, the lacquer he has cut is then sent off for mastering at the pressing plant. It has nothing to do with the pressing plant or the value of the record, it's whoever was in the cutting room at the time that asked for the words or symbols to be scratched in. Often it's just the catalogue number to identify the master lacquer. A pressing plant may then have their own stamper that also goes in the run off to identify where it was pressed.

Porkys Prime Cuts is one of the most well known UK scratches as stated above. George Peckham was a top man in the cutting room... If you booked it before the lunchtime pub session, after which it could go either way :)

Cheers Sutty

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Porkys Prime Cuts is one of the most well known UK scratches as stated above. George Peckham was a top man in the cutting room... If you booked it before the lunchtime pub session, after which it could go either way :)

Cheers Sutty

 

Porky's did all the Mastercuts albums. I think George had stopped drinking by then!

 

Ian D :)

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My fave is on the run-out of The Bootleggers featuring Cathy Carlson on the Discovery label. It reads "Please don't draft me". Presumably a reference to Vietnam. What makes it even more chilling is the title of the song "Don't count on tomorrow". Rare 45 as well!

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My fave is on the run-out of The Bootleggers featuring Cathy Carlson on the Discovery label. It reads "Please don't draft me". Presumably a reference to Vietnam. What makes it even more chilling is the title of the song "Don't count on tomorrow". Rare 45 as well!

 

Isn't the Vicki Nelson/Starfires on the same Discovery label Pete S mentioned earlier?

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I have a record by Little Tracy Kerr - We've got a good thing going on the Stang Records Label, I think this must have been here first release as her father George Kerr had the inscription GOOD LUCK TRACY FROM DAD. in the run out. Interesting record written by the

THE CORPORATION - JOBETE, And Produced by George Kerr & Sylvia. Not a great record by my taste! She must have been very young going by the vocals. Rod Clegg

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I have a metal , Melting Pot Sound, acetate of Genie Browns- 'can't stop talking' with a track by Bonnie Bramlett on the flip called 'Crazy bout my baby'. Scratched in the run out lacquer of this side some studio wag has etched 'Crazy about my dick' .. Which has always tickled me...

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My fave is on the run-out of The Bootleggers featuring Cathy Carlson on the Discovery label. It reads "Please don't draft me". Presumably a reference to Vietnam. What makes it even more chilling is the title of the song "Don't count on tomorrow". Rare 45 as well!

 

Had that on my copy as well :-)

 

Dave f..........

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By what degree does the 70's trait of someone engraving their name in the run out reduce the value of a 45?

I remember this happening a few times back in the late 70's early 80's. Occasionally if a record was lent to a mate their name may mysteriously appear in the run out. I agree with Pete, in that it wouldn't effect the value.

 

Taking into account the age of these addictive 45's with label's to excite collector's as they do me, it's amazing they are still around :)

 

Karen

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I had a scribbled message on the runout groove of a brand new 12 inch once

Can't remember what it was - Brainstorm?

Anyway, it said: "If it's a hit, it's a miracle"

Was it the Miracle label perhaps? 

Oh, me poor  :huh: brain cells................

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I had a scribbled message on the runout groove of a brand new 12 inch once

Can't remember what it was - Brainstorm?

Anyway, it said: "If it's a hit, it's a miracle"

Was it the Miracle label perhaps? 

Oh, me poor  :huh: brain cells................

 

Think it was the Brainstorm 12" , haven't got it now to check, but bells were ringing when you posted.   :thumbsup:

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I'd agree with that, but the logic of that time always seemed misplaced to me. It  seems more of a UK collectors thing...

 

However values were significantly lower then and it's definitely  a step up from scrawling your name across the label!

 

It seems that in certain cities in the US writing on the label it was more in vogue than others, Cleveland releases seem particularly blighted for example?

 

Must have been some serious house parties in that town back then..

Had a couple of what would seem, ex-casino 7" that had been attacked with a hot needle in the run out. They must have still been out their "thrupenny bits" and thought it a good idea as they pulled them out their holdall at breakfast.

Shaky letters and gouges to let folks know " this is mine", "Mowtown Dave rools", I certainly hope they haven't moved on to engraving or tattoos!

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