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Contours - Baby Hit & Run - A Re-Re-Lease ?

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I know if really want an original you need to buy that MFP album (be the £3.00 you'll ever spend on records) :D  It came out as a pukker TMG single in 1974, I've had lots pass through my hands. But I came across this copy and it looks different than any I've ever seen. Did it get a later release ? a sort of re-re-lease ? The text looks different and larger but it does say TMG886, always thought that they issued a number number, usually higher when re-releasing a TMG single.

This is how "original" 1974 release looks like. Any help, comments, advice, etc welcome..........

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This one doesn't feel "right"

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How far apart are they in terms of release date ?

 

RCA re-released loads about 84/85 (I think it was about then but I might be +/- a year either way). I don't know how many they did re issue, but it must be close to 100 titles. Amongst them was F Wilson, F Valli 3024, loads of commercial classics / hits, all on black labels.

 

Having said that., I don't remember the Contours being amongst them, but it clearly must have been.

 

Cheers

Mick

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I know if really want an original you need to buy that MFP album (be the £3.00 you'll ever spend on records) :D  It came out as a pukker TMG single in 1974, I've had lots pass through my hands. But I came across this copy and it looks different than any I've ever seen. Did it get a later release ? a sort of re-re-lease ? The text looks different and larger but it does say TMG886, always thought that they issued a number number, usually higher when re-releasing a TMG single.

This is how "original" 1974 release looks like. Any help, comments, advice, etc welcome..........

attachicon.gifContours2.jpeg

This one doesn't feel "right"

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The original issue of "Baby Hit And Run" is the TMG single released in Feb 1974 - the MFP LP wasn't released until the summer of 1974

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I would put that RCA distributed Contours slightly earlier than Mick stated[84] and put it at about 1982. I have no proof for this but can clearly remember my mate buying a copy of F.Wilson[RCA Distibuted] around that time…..[wasnt as late as 84].

  This copy[F.Wilson] came into my possession years after and it was only then that I noticed the label differences between that and my EMI distributed copy. So, my assumption is that the Contours 45 would have been done at the same time as the Frank Wilson[RCA]…..Anyone know for sure ?

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The original issue of "Baby Hit And Run" is the TMG single released in Feb 1974 - the MFP LP wasn't released until the summer of 1974

 

I'm sure you've got your facts right but I don't remember it being like that. :g:

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Doesn't sound right to me either.

I remember it being played from the LP before it came out on a single.

So why would anyone do that if you could get the 45?

Or maybe just a few demos were out when it first got played and the actual release was a few months later?

But in the meantime the LP was released?

I forget the details but can certainly recall it getting played from the LP before the 45 was in the shops...

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Doesn't sound right to me either.

I remember it being played from the LP before it came out on a single.

So why would anyone do that if you could get the 45?

Or maybe just a few demos were out when it first got played and the actual release was a few months later?

But in the meantime the LP was released?

I forget the details but can certainly recall it getting played from the LP before the 45 was in the shops...

 

Thank heavens for that John !! I though I was losing my marbles or at the time, some sort chemical imbalance :)

At 1974 people just didn't play 12" Albums, unless it was a very special "can't get anywhere else" thing.

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Thank heavens for that John !! I though I was losing my marbles or at the time, some sort chemical imbalance :)

At 1974 people just didn't play 12" Albums, unless it was a very special "can't get anywhere else" thing.

I think you are both wrong - the 45 was released on 8th Feb 1974 - the album in the summer 1974 - i remember the album release because a friend sent me a postcard from his holiday in Blackpool saying he had just bought it as it had just been released and I went out and bought it in Newcastle that week  - the only track on the LP new to me at the time was "It's Growing"

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yeah I def' remember buying the album for this track and playing it. I am sure if I could have got the 7" I would have bought that instead, and the shop I used to buy my stuff from that was very upfront with the stock they carried, 'Jumbo Records' in Leeds. I used to go in 2 or 3 times a week for the latest Motown tracks.

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I know if really want an original you need to buy that MFP album (be the £3.00 you'll ever spend on records) :D  It came out as a pukker TMG single in 1974, I've had lots pass through my hands. But I came across this copy and it looks different than any I've ever seen. Did it get a later release ? a sort of re-re-lease ? The text looks different and larger but it does say TMG886, always thought that they issued a number number, usually higher when re-releasing a TMG single.

This is how "original" 1974 release looks like. Any help, comments, advice, etc welcome..........

attachicon.gifContours2.jpeg

This one doesn't feel "right"

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yeah I def' remember buying the album for this track and playing it. I am sure if I could have got the 7" I would have bought that instead, and the shop I used to buy my stuff from that was very upfront with the stock they carried, 'Jumbo Records' in Leeds. I used to go in 2 or 3 times a week for the latest Motown tracks.

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My all time fave motown track "Baby Hit and run "was recorded in 1965,penciled in for an aborted album "Contours Sing its So hard Being a Loser" . Only then issued in the UK as asingle Tmg 886 8th Feb 1974, no month is stated on Lp except  year 1974,but as Ringleader says Clive Richardson in his sleeve notes points  the single being issued early in 1974! [he also alludes to the fact that "its Growing" was issued on a single which it never was .From memory i was sure LP Primero single  2nd ,now im not so sure? The second issue is an RCA issue they took over distribution from EMI in 1981.The type Font is different [resembling a dutch or german issue,it is not as they had different TM matrixs] RCA issues also can be identified at aglance by the text which runs round the edge of the label in continuous circle,  Ididnt realise the RCA version existed so a scarce  Item?

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I concur with Conchita regarding release date of single & the RCA font details after they took over from EMI in distributing Tamla Motown in the UK in the 80's. They would have repressed the current on catalogue sellers at the time, with existing TMG numbers. All new product then became subject to the new ZB number system.  I am pretty sure that the MFP album was released after the single around May 1974.

Although my memory is not what it was I seem to recall Baby Hit & Run being played at the Torch after Tell Me Just A Rumour had also been big. Which would seem to point to EMI sending demo's to the Torch DJ's etc. & releasing the single once demand had been generated.

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I concur with Conchita regarding release date of single & the RCA font details after they took over from EMI in distributing Tamla Motown in the UK in the 80's. They would have repressed the current on catalogue sellers at the time, with existing TMG numbers. All new product then became subject to the new ZB number system.  I am pretty sure that the MFP album was released after the single around May 1974. Although my memory is not what it was I seem to recall Baby Hit & Run being played at the Torch after Tell Me Just A Rumour had also been big. Which would seem to point to EMI sending demo's to the Torch DJ's etc. & releasing the single once demand had been generated.

 

Torch closed in 1973.

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It really is a good album, you can get one for less than a fiver, great for someone just getting into the scene.

  1. Just A Little Misunderstanding                  
  2. First I Look At The Purse                              
  3. Can You Jerk Like Me                    
  4. It's Growing                       
  5. Baby Hit And Run                            
  6. It's So Hard Being A Loser                            
  7. Can You Do It?                  
  8. Determination                
  9. It Must Be Love                               
  10. Don't Let Her Be Your Baby                         
  11. Shake Sherrie                   
  12. Do You Love Me?

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This appears in "45Cat" for the single :

 

Notes

A release date of 15 Feb 1974 is given in booklet 'The New Singles' No. 512

B-side previously issued on Stateside SS 381.
A-side was a previously unissued recording from the same era.

 

Not familiar with "The New Singles" wonder if they got it wrong. The Isley Brothers - Tell me it's a rumour was released on a single after interest from Soul on Rocks album. Can't see why this would be different. Ah well, I guess anything's possible.

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I can only echo previous posts and I have always been a 45 collector if available on that format.

I first bought this on the MFP LP as it was the only way as far as I knew at the time to obtain Baby Hit And Run.

 

Not saying that it's impossible, but I find it amazing to discover that the 45 may have been on the shelves at the time.

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I can only echo previous posts and I have always been a 45 collector if available on that format. I first bought this on the MFP LP as it was the only way as far as I knew at the time to obtain Baby Hit And Run. Not saying that it's impossible, but I find it amazing to discover that the 45 may have been on the shelves at the time.

 

Guess we'll never really know, some 40+ years ago :huh:

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Russ Winstanley was playing it at the Casino in early 1974 when Motown released it. See below from my copy of Blues & Soul , 132, April 1974.

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On the 45 or LP first discussion, I certainly think the 45 came out a few months before the LP.

 

I bought the LP as I did most of that series, but I already knew 'Baby Hit & Run' before doing so.

 

Tamla Motown were still very much about 'new' release product at that time (73 / 74) and tended to bundle old stuff into the MFP compilations. I think the 'Baby Hit And Run' 45 release was as a result of a bit of digging at Motown, after the surprise success of JJ Barnes 'Real Humdinger, Isley Bros 'Tell Me It's Just A Rumour' etc. but the first venture was to put it out as a 45 and they packaged the LP a few months on, on the strength of it.

 

You'll recall they put out 'R Dean Taylor 'Theres A Ghost In My House' on 45 a couple of months later (after it being used heavily on the LP - which is maybe what's confusing some of us?) and that's the way I remember it.

 

:thumbsup:

 

Sean

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Russ Winstanley was playing it at the Casino in early 1974 when Motown released it. See below from my copy of Blues & Soul , 132, April 1974.

 

If it was in Aptil B & S then the article would have been written well before that date.

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I couldn't find any dates on the MFP album, maybe it was released before '74 ?

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Chris, why are you trying to make the facts fit your memory of how it was?

 

it says on the label "Baby Hit And Run & it's Growing (P) 1974"  

 

I along with others on here remember things differently and it's no coincidence the facts support this 

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Picture of the demo below taken from Popsike

 

8th February 1974 was the release date. Up until then, it had not been released on a 45. It was never released in USA. And, I bought in Feb 1974 from Williams's in Darlo.

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I don't think Chris is trying to make the facts fit his memory of how it was - he's not exactly on his own on this. Others have also commented similarly.

Yes, the demo 45 does state February 1974 as it's release date and the LP does show 1974 as it's (P) date.

 

It is odd that we have similar thoughts on the period, but it was 41 years back so things can get a little hazy  :g:

 

But I can relate to Sean's comment regarding the R. Dean Taylor song getting plays from the MFP LP and maybe it is that that's confusing some of us a bit?

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I don't think Chris is trying to make the facts fit his memory of how it was - he's not exactly on his own on this. Others have also commented similarly.

Yes, the demo 45 does state February 1974 as it's release date and the LP does show 1974 as it's (P) date.

 

It is odd that we have similar thoughts on the period, but it was 41 years back so things can get a little hazy  :g:

 

But I can relate to Sean's comment regarding the R. Dean Taylor song getting plays from the MFP LP and maybe it is that that's confusing some of us a bit?

 

Hazy is right John.

 

It's a long time ago.

 

I just don't have 'Baby Hit And Run' in my mind or memory as a one time 'LP only' record.

 

I think the 45 snook out in early '74 without much of a fanfare and then Russ (and I also seem to recall the Mecca :g:) started playing it.

 

It was big that Summer and the LP then made an appearance and because of it's budget price a lot of us bought.

 

Fascinating discussion.

 

:thumbsup:

 

Sean

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