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Catacombs' playlist, November 13th, 1971:

It ain't necessary   Mamie Galore

I can't see your love   The Ballads

Gonna get along with you now   The Vibrations

Shades down   The Detroit Emeralds

Say it   JJ Barnes

I can't get enough   Johnny Sayles

Too late   Larry Williams and Johnny Watson

Let's have a love in   Wingate's Love In Strings

To win your Heart Laura Lee

Cheyenne   Promised Land

Please let me in   JJ Barnes

Purple Haze   Johnny Jones and The King Casuals

I'll never fall in love again   Bobby Freeman

I'll bet you  Theresa Lindsey

The urge keeps coming    Jo Armstead

Nothing's worse than being alone   The Ad Libs

You get your kicks   Mitch Ryder

Pity my feet   Kenny Bernard

Out on the floor   Dobie Gray

I don't wanna discuss it   Little Richard

Foxy   Earl Guest

Soul sauce  Cal Tjader

The charge   The TKOs

Concerto for jazz lovers   Sonny Stitt

Ain't that terrible   The Capitols

Suffering city    Johnny Copeland

I'm gonna cramp your style   Junior Wells

Just ain't no love   Young Holt Unlimited

Ain't no more room   The Kittens

The real thing   Tina Britt

Baby reconsider   Leon Haywood

Check yourself   The Intruders

Soul galore   Jackie Wilson

A little togetherness   The Younghearts

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There's quite a few on that list that merit almost iconic status. However, there are others that are more easily forgotten. Earl Guest being one of the latter category.

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So there was an all nighter at the Cats in 71 ?

Do you have the flyer for that all nighter... Curious if it was posted as a northern soul night or similar? 

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There was talk of an all-nighter to be held at the Catacombs in early 1972. The Express and Star advert clearly shows that the idea was around from at least late 1971. The all-nighter eventually occurred in February or March, 1972, or rather it didn't. If you go on the Catacombs Stamped Records thread you can read all about the all-nighter that never was.

No flyer was produced, as far as I know. As I recall, the only flyer the Catacombs produced was for the final night in 1974.

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Many thanks....was at the nighter in 74....which emptied early due to everybody heading up to the casino.

Thought that was the only time fhere was a nightet....so was curious when I saw the flyer you posted :)

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You are right about the 1974 all-nighter being the only one but my memory of that night is that the dance floor, corridors and alcoves were rammed throughout the entire event. There were some significantly high attendances post-Torch and pre-Wigan, twelve months earlier, but that particular night, July 13th, 1974, was on a different scale. Are you sure we are talking about the same night? Once Wigan opened attendances at the Cats nosedived, as they did when the Torch and Up the Junction were offering an all-night alternative. The coach to Wigan used to leave from outside the Cats so there were nights when there was a drop off as some headed north, but not on that particular night as I recall.

The advert I posted at the top of this thread is an advert from Wolverhampton's evening Newspaper, the Express and Star. Adverts like this appeared in the Entertainments and Leisure section every Thursday and Saturday throughout the period of the club's existence.

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10 hours ago, Torch56 said:

You are right about the 1974 all-nighter being the only one but my memory of that night is that the dance floor, corridors and alcoves were rammed throughout the entire event. There were some significantly high attendances post-Torch and pre-Wigan, twelve months earlier, but that particular night, July 13th, 1974, was on a different scale. Are you sure we are talking about the same night? Once Wigan opened attendances at the Cats nosedived, as they did when the Torch and Up the Junction were offering an all-night alternative. The coach to Wigan used to leave from outside the Cats so there were nights when there was a drop off as some headed north, but not on that particular night as I recall.

The advert I posted at the top of this thread is an advert from Wolverhampton's evening Newspaper, the Express and Star. Adverts like this appeared in the Entertainments and Leisure section every Thursday and Saturday throughout the period of the club's existence.

Ah well it was 47 years ago....but yes that's how I remember it....certainly packed through the evening, but later it thinned out....but I could be wrong...thought the first night at the casino was packed, but someone else said it was empty, so would like confirmation on that also, happy to be wrong...

We were travelling from afar, so in a car not a coach ..

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9 hours ago, Amsterdam Russ said:

Did Richard Domar have a direct connection with the Cats or was he just a passionate punter at that club?

I don't believe Richard had any direct connection with the club. I don't even know that he went there but I suppose he is the right age to have attended at some point. I recall Richard was a record collector/dealer who was based at his parents house in Finchfield, Wolverhampton. Also dealt in Marvel comics. I bought some good records from him back in the day. I wish I had bought more.

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9 hours ago, Amsterdam Russ said:

Did Richard Domar have a direct connection with the Cats or was he just a passionate punter at that club?

pm.d Russ, ..he did attend, he recorded that podcast there, which i posted above.

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1st night at the Casino was marred by the fact pre-booked membership was required to get in. We came down from the Mecca to Wigan at about 1.00 AM to find a complete scrum around the door. Deciding to observe for a while and eventually joined the throng still jostling to get in. Remember there hadn't been a regular all-nighter except Hanley Top Rank since the Torch closed in March '73. 

1/2 hr. later and still among the crowd with people arriving from all over we decided to give it a swerve as the crowd looked like a youth club gathering and very few were faces I remembered from other venues and the few we did know had pretty much the same opinion. As to the overall attendance I can't comment as we didn't get in although the entrance requirements had created a very slow moving mass as most were turned back at the door.

Obviously it became the place to go but I've never bought into this Torch / Wigan sound rubbish as so many of the them were clapped out / played out sounds or played years previously at other venues - many Torch accredited sounds never got played there.

Always a subjective topic - what do the say - History is usually written by the survivors or winners.

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21 minutes ago, Vadnochka said:

1st night at the Casino was marred by the fact pre-booked membership was required to get in. We came down from the Mecca to Wigan at about 1.00 AM to find a complete scrum around the door. Deciding to observe for a while and eventually joined the throng still jostling to get in. Remember there hadn't been a regular all-nighter except Hanley Top Rank since the Torch closed in March '73. 

1/2 hr. later and still among the crowd with people arriving from all over we decided to give it a swerve as the crowd looked like a youth club gathering and very few were faces I remembered from other venues and the few we did know had pretty much the same opinion. As to the overall attendance I can't comment as we didn't get in although the entrance requirements had created a very slow moving mass as most were turned back at the door.

Obviously it became the place to go but I've never bought into this Torch / Wigan sound rubbish as so many of the them were clapped out / played out sounds or played years previously at other venues - many Torch accredited sounds never got played there.

Always a subjective topic - what do the say - History is usually written by the survivors or winners.

Yes was in that throng outside waiting to get in, I had a membership, which as you say you had to be pre-order, but my 3 friends including driver didn't, so waited outside with them, but we all got in, thought everybody outside did... so something I now know...

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re: Harvey Averne.

Unless somebody has a specific memory of it being played, it's almost impossible to say. From 8 to half past some lesser known records would be played before the big ticket items were unleashed. I have very little recall of the majority of items in the former category, mainly, I suspect, because they compared unfavourably with what was to follow. Indeed the description of a record as a '8 to half past sound' was a pejorative term and indicated it would likely remain in that category.

In 1971 Alan S did the early shift and when he was moved on, Max picked up that particular baton but the policy remained the same. One difference was that Max would signal the start of serious proceedings by playing a signature tune. The first one that I can recall was The Cat Walk by Gerry and Paul. At some point in 1973 this was replaced by Funky Chicken by The Fabulous Emotions.

 

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23 minutes ago, Torch56 said:

re: Harvey Averne.

Unless somebody has a specific memory of it being played, it's almost impossible to say. From 8 to half past some lesser known records would be played before the big ticket items were unleashed. I have very little recall of the majority of items in the former category, mainly, I suspect, because they compared unfavourably with what was to follow. Indeed the description of a record as a '8 to half past sound' was a pejorative term and indicated it would likely remain in that category.

In 1971 Alan S did the early shift and when he was moved on, Max picked up that particular baton but the policy remained the same. One difference was that Max would signal the start of serious proceedings by playing a signature tune. The first one that I can recall was The Cat Walk by Gerry and Paul. At some point in 1973 this was replaced by Funky Chicken by The Fabulous Emotions.

 

Thanks for the insights - very informative. :thumbsup:

I asked because Richard Domar's name cropped up earlier. Like many, I got his sales lists back in the early/mid 80s. 

One 45 I bought from him was Harvey Averne. Knowing nothing about the history of the northern soul scene back then - but having heard mention of the Cats as a legendary venue of old - I bought the 45 blind solely on the strength of his description of it, which said "Catacombs secret sound". Curiosity got the better of me and I spent what was then - for me - a substantial sum for a 45.

Over the years, I've asked a number of knowledgable folk about whether Harvey Averne was indeed played there, and everyone has stated there's no way it could have been. But that means doubting Richard Domar's word and his knowledge of what was played at the Cats - something I've never had any reason to do. 

Scan attached from the relevant part of his sales list from 1985.

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On 23/11/2021 at 21:48, Sheep said:

Many thanks....was at the nighter in 74....which emptied early due to everybody heading up to the casino.

Thought that was the only time fhere was a nightet....so was curious when I saw the flyer you posted :)

I never went to the Cats unfortunately, but I do remember the nighter. Pete Lawson and a few others definitely left early and turned up at Wigan in the middle of the night.

 

Paul

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