Billy Arnell - Tough Girl

[Dobie5]

Could any members tell me how to spot an original Billy Arnell - Tough Girl from the unofficial Boot with the same label ( other than they will probably look brand new ) , many thanks.

[John A]

Both labels on the boot say 1001-A where as on the original side 2 is 1001-B also see position of word inst/instrumental. Real one top

Edited August 19, 2023 by John A

[Dobie5]

Many thanks John.

 

[Ady Potts]

I wonder what an original is worth now? Not seen one for sale in quite a while?

Edited August 20, 2023 by Ady Potts

[Julianb]

One on Tim Brown's auction. Currently £700. I think it will go into four figures.

[Ady Potts]

1 hour ago, Julianb said:

One on Tim Brown's auction. Currently £700. I think it will go into four figures.

I genuinely hadn't spotted that.

I've never heard the other track they recorded, the intended flip side, "Little Baby". They dropped it last minute in favour of the instrumental. Probably worked out best for the Northern Soul world. They were billed as "Little Willie & the Sparkles", with 17 year old Billy Smith doing the vocal.

[Frankie Crocker]

4 hours ago, Ady Potts said:

I wonder what an original is worth now? Not seen one for sale in quite a while?

I vaguely recall a copy in a Manship auction in the last year or two, but don’t remember the final value it went for. A copy was put in Soul-Source Sales a few years ago priced at £1,750. I reckon it’s a 2K record in excellent condition these days.

[Solidsoul]

2 hours ago, Ady Potts said:

 They dropped it last minute in favour of the instrumental. Probably worked out best for the Northern Soul world. 

Yes as you probably know, when it first got played in the Wigan Casino era, it was the instrumental that was the big sound!

Edited August 20, 2023 by Solidsoul

[Ady Potts]

2 hours ago, Solidsoul said:

Yes as you probably know, when it first got played in the Wigan Casino era, it was the instrumental that was the big sound!

Mick Bolan RIP discovered it when he was at Past & Present Records in Watford. He told me he had an acetate cut of it & that was what got played at Wigan. I have that acetate.

[Bo Diddley]

The copy on Tim's auction sounds "well used". This may hold back the finishing amount. So, I think it'll give a ballpark current value but I'd expect a less "well used" copy to fetch more.

[Frankie Crocker]

Manship auction June 2022 realised £2,600. Another thread on Soul Source re this. Awesome pair of tunes - one of the best double-siders around.

[Mod Life Crisis]

I can confirm that a copy was bought for £3k earlier this year (and, no, not by myself).

[Soul-slider]

Here is the man, probably late 1960's early 70's 

Edited August 20, 2023 by Soul-slider

[Julianb]

10 hours ago, Mod Life Crisis said:

I can confirm that a copy was bought for £3k earlier this year (and, no, not by myself).

Think I'll put mine in the playbox. It's not seen 'the light of day' for 20+ years!

[Dobber]

11 hours ago, Soul-slider said:

Here is the man, probably late 1960's early 70's 

Looks like the Yorkshire ripper

[Soul-slider]

5 hours ago, Dobber said:

Looks like the Yorkshire ripper

[Julianb]

At first glance, I thought it was Dave Godin.

[Dobber]

1 hour ago, Julianb said:

At first glance, I thought it was Dave Godin.

Or maybe Jeff lynn elo

[Simco]

Is the Billy Arnell original styrene or vinyl l can't remember

Tks

[Mod Life Crisis]

Apologies everyone, it was £2K that was paid for this record earlier this year.

[Ady Potts]

4 hours ago, Utc said:

Is the Billy Arnell original styrene or vinyl l can't remember

Tks

Vinyl

[Simco]

Thanks Ady might have a try for it if vinyl

Chris

[Merve]

On 20/08/2023 at 19:24, Ady Potts said:

Mick Bolan RIP discovered it when he was at Past & Present Records in Watford. He told me he had an acetate cut of it & that was what got played at Wigan. I have that acetate.

Interesting that Ady. I wonder if that's where Sam had his original from he was playing out at St Ives in early 77 bearing in mind Gloria Jones played St Ives in 76 and MB was there with her.....always up for a theory me.

[Ady Potts]

1 hour ago, Merve said:

Interesting that Ady. I wonder if that's where Sam had his original from he was playing out at St Ives in early 77 bearing in mind Gloria Jones played St Ives in 76 and MB was there with her.....always up for a theory me.

Most likely Martyn. MB had sold it because it wasn't in his collection that I bought from him. I asked where it was, sadly I can't remember who he said he sold it to. That's how the information regarding the acetate came out, in that conversation.

 

Edited August 23, 2023 by Ady Potts

[Geeselad]

On 23/08/2023 at 09:20, Ady Potts said:

Most likely Martyn. MB had sold it because it wasn't in his collection that I bought from him. I asked where it was, sadly I can't remember who he said he sold it to. That's how the information regarding the acetate came out, in that conversation.

 

I think Stef orlinski, of Biddulph had MB's copy, not sure who he sold it on to. 

[Vadnochka]

£960 at 16.43 - auction closes at 18.00 today

 

 

[Steviehay]

My bid cheers you lot 

[Steviehay]

25 minutes ago, Steviehay said:

My bid cheers you lot 

Outta my league now I bid to 1,100 but now its jumped to 2,5000 welcome to it at that price best of whoever 

[Vadnochka]

£960 at 16.43 - auction closes at 18.00 today

 

 

[Vadnochka]

Somebody's got trapped in the auction process - thought they'd bid high to prevent getting sniped at the death, probably not realising - That their top bid became the actual high bid amount the moment they clicked confirm ( maybe not but seen it happen so many times) These auctions don't operate like Ebay.

[Bo Diddley]

Somebody's not double checked before submitting their bid - current high bid £100,100 !!!!!!!

 

Edited August 24, 2023 by Bo Diddley

[Mick Boyle]

Billy glitch has been sorted. I’ll post all auction prices as soon as I get them.  

[Jessie Pinkman]

I'm pretty sure that Billy Arnell finished up at £2,500.00

[Kenb]

the guy furthest right would have been well surprised! Sparkles 1963 ( pre Tough Girl)

Edited August 24, 2023 by Kenb

[Steviehay]

My fault it ended up ar 2,500