Try as I might even with the Dave Godin (RIP) special CDs, I can only get into about one in ten so called 'deep soul' tracks.

Not sure what the problem is, I can listen to ballads and blues but cannot get the groove and beat on some of the tracks that are classifed as quality.

Dont suppose I can claim to be a real soul fan with this in mind.

Ed

Nor me. Most of it is just boring music. Fantastic vocals but so what.

SNAP!!

Deep Soul - Not everyone's cup of Tea, but all I will say is YOUR LOSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Try as I might even with the Dave Godin (RIP) special CDs, I can only get into about one in ten so called 'deep soul' tracks.

Not sure what the problem is, I can listen to ballads and blues but cannot get the groove and beat on some of the tracks that are classifed as quality.

Dont suppose I can claim to be a real soul fan with this in mind.

Ed

You can 'claim' to be what you want mate.

I mainly listen to Southern / Deep soul and am amazed that some of the crap labelled Northern could even have the word Soul attached to it (but that doesnt stop me from dancing me nads off to it at a nighter ).

'Classified as quality' - make your own judgements.

but that doesnt stop me from dancing me nads off to it at a nighter

Well thats what it's meant for - to dance to, not to be sat down and listened to for it's finesse

I bought the Eddie & Ernie CD on the back of Dave Godin's collection & I'll never regret it.

Tremendous stuff & a crime that it wasn't a commercial success. Horses for courses I guess...

Deep Soul - Not everyone's cup of Tea, but all I will say is YOUR LOSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"VARIETY IS THE SPICE OF LIFE" - You stick to your variety and I'll stick to mine!

And if your variety is playing in an adjacent room, well I might just pop in for about 5 minutes to see what I'm losing out on

"STOLEN HOURS"

RAMSGATE 21st JULY

Edited July 2, 200717 yr by KevinKent

soul is soul with many different takes of it too, some get labelled as soul and some dont deserve to be, its what you enjoy is all that matters,

personally i dont like cooked tomatoes but i love them fresh

Deep Soul is the ultimate style of Soul for me , but hey , we're all different I guess , just enjoy the music , and don't worry about it .Best ,Eddie

Soul music is all about emotion, if you get that from a northern dancer, thats what counts and there no need to doubt your love for soul. My personal preference is for Southern/Deep and I've never been a fan of the "100 mile an hour dancer" and some of the more "blue eyed" stuff leaves me cold, but they are still soul. It's all about petrsonal preference.

"Soul" has covered a wide spectrum of output over the years and not everyone likes everything. If everybody liked everthing in equal amounts it would be a boring world and we wouldn't have the diversity of DJ playlists gthat we have.

The Dave Godin CD's have opened Deep to a wider audience (thanks to Kent for that, I hope these releases have been profitable for them) as typically Deep never gets the chance to get that much airplay.

The other advantage of collecting deep, is that the majority are cheap as chips.

I think it would be idea to have a day dedicated to "Deep" when the "RefoSoul" reopens.

Well thats what it's meant for - to dance to, not to be sat down and listened to for it's finesse

Agreed. But there are plenty of Northern Soul chin strokers out there who may as well be listening to a Deep set - and unfortunately I haven't come across a Southern Soul nighter yet.

Agreed. But there are plenty of Northern Soul chin strokers out there who may as well be listening to a Deep set - and unfortunately I haven't come across a Southern Soul nighter yet.

Can you imagine someone sitting down to measure the depth of emotion in "Ton Of Dynamite"

I think it's one of the greatest records ever, but it's an utter mess, but maybe that's why it's so great...I'd rather just listen to something and see what effect it has on me and make my own mind up - this is why I hate people telling me there's something wrong with me for not liking non-60's soul...

I haven't come across a Southern Soul nighter yet.

I think such an event would be extremely unhealthy, everyone sat around crying into their beer all night. I guess you could replace spencers and talc with a stetson and a box of tissues. And a sleepin bag.

Dont suppose I can claim to be a real soul fan with this in mind.

No you can't! You are a 'Northern Soul' fan and the two things are very very different IMHO

Can you imagine someone sitting down to measure the depth of emotion in "Ton Of Dynamite"

I think it's one of the greatest records ever, but it's an utter mess, but maybe that's why it's so great...I'd rather just listen to something and see what effect it has on me and make my own mind up - this is why I hate people telling me there's something wrong with me for not liking non-60's soul...

there is something wrong with you Pete if you only like 60s soul

Can you imagine someone sitting down to measure the depth of emotion in "Ton Of Dynamite"

I think it's one of the greatest records ever, but it's an utter mess, but maybe that's why it's so great...I'd rather just listen to something and see what effect it has on me and make my own mind up - this is why I hate people telling me there's something wrong with me for not liking non-60's soul...

but pete just accept it there is something wrong with you

mark

ballads , Deep soul , Steppers , two step , Quite storm , Ive got a few of them .. Soul is not about dance music for sure and Intrmentals are not soul IMO :

Edited July 2, 200717 yr by Simon M

I much prefer Deep Soul to any other form of music.

Fully understand though why others don't or can't connect with it as, equally, I can't connect with a helluva lot of 'Northern' tracks.

The Lounge at Soul Essence is my favourite venue, where the music is almost exclusively Deep Soul... but I accept, it's a minority thing.

Always has been. Always will be.

Sean Hampsey

I think such an event would be extremely unhealthy, everyone sat around crying into their beer all night. I guess you could replace spencers and talc with a stetson and a box of tissues. And a sleepin bag.

From my perspective there is a difference between Southern and Deep soul. I class Southern as the "local" sound mainly recorded in states such as Texas, Arkansas, Georgia, etc...(which do include Deep recordings) and categorise it as people categorise Detroit and Chicago sounds (there some gut renching stuff out of these places too). Yes a lot of deep was recorded in the south, but they had their dancers as well. Labels such as: Future Stars, Bluesoul, Soul-Po-Tion just to quote a few from Brian Pousts Web site. Stax from my perspective is mainly southern soul so was Southcamp and Quinvy, they too had their dancers.

George Jackson - I Found What I Wanted on Verve (IMO is southern soul, but was given a X-Over tag when it was played a Thorn). For me the same goes for Bobby Patterson - I'm In Love With You and Bill Brandon - Whatever I am I'm yours.

The tags should be removed and if it's a good record play it, whatever it's classification.

The tags should be removed and if it's a good record play it, whatever it's classification.

I couldn't agree more John, unfortunately though loads of people only like a certain style of 'soul'. I love it all and because I love most of the tracks most people love on the scene that doesn't mean that most of them will love most of what I love. I'm confussed now

From my perspective there is a difference between Southern and Deep soul. I class Southern as the "local" sound mainly recorded in states such as Texas, Arkansas, Georgia, etc...(which do include Deep recordings) and categorise it as people categorise Detroit and Chicago sounds (there some gut renching stuff out of these places too). Yes a lot of deep was recorded in the south, but they had their dancers as well. Labels such as: Future Stars, Bluesoul, Soul-Po-Tion just to quote a few from Brian Pousts Web site. Stax from my perspective is mainly southern soul so was Southcamp and Quinvy, they too had their dancers.

George Jackson - I Found What I Wanted on Verve (IMO is southern soul, but was given a X-Over tag when it was played a Thorn). For me the same goes for Bobby Patterson - I'm In Love With You and Bill Brandon - Whatever I am I'm yours.

The tags should be removed and if it's a good record play it, whatever it's classification.

I don't disagree. But I know what Goldwax means by southern, its more the deep side of things, he can't dance to fast records anymore. The man listens to 1920s blues recordings for fun.

I don't disagree. But I know what Goldwax means by southern, its more the deep side of things, he can't dance to fast records anymore. The man listens to 1920s blues recordings for fun.

To quote the great John Lee Hooker - 'It's ALL Blues'.

And it's only YOUR fast records I don't dance to

ballads , Deep soul , Steppers , two step , Quite storm , Ive got a few of them .. Soul is not about dance music for sure and Intrmentals are not soul IMO :

Northern soul IS about dance music. And of course instrumentals can be soul music. You think not? What is the enclosed mp3 if it's not soul then?

Jr._Walker_and_The_All_Stars___What_Does_It_Take__To_Win_Your_Love__instrumental_.mp3

What is the enclosed mp3 if it's not soul then?

Jr._Walker_and_The_All_Stars___What_Does_It_Take__To_Win_Your_Love__instrumental_.mp3

It is wicked soul music Pete

Quite a few Deep / Southern tracks that I like, but can only listen to a couple at a time before contemplating keelhauling myself...

What is the enclosed mp3 if it's not soul then?

Jr._Walker_and_The_All_Stars___What_Does_It_Take__To_Win_Your_Love__instrumental_.mp3

It's the instrumental backing track to a 70's Soul record.

Sean

Edited July 2, 200717 yr by Sean Hampsey

deep stuff is background music to me

the vocals are awesome, i just don't like the beat (or lack thereof)

'beat ballads', i love those, mind

It's the instrumental backing track to a 70's Soul record.

Sean

Oh ha-de-ha

I can hear vocals on that ...

Yes, Backing Vocals, Simon... Part of the Backing Track!

WDIT is a much more Soulful record with the Lead Vocal (IMO).

However, I don't entirely agree that an instrumental can't be 'Soulful' and much prefer some records as instrumentals where the vocal is not my cuppa tea i.e. "To Win Your Heart" Laura Lee... Much prefer Festival Time!

Sean

Edited July 2, 200717 yr by Sean Hampsey

I like it...not as much as him indoors though...however there's a time and a place. Eg, I paid a fortune for a babysitter on Saturday night and went to the Hideaway....I may have been a bit miffed after a few vinos if I had to listen to Deep Soul! If I'm out I want something danceable..whether it be 70s, modern, RnB or out and out Northern. Otherwise I would possibly nod off

Yes, Backing Vocals, Simon... Part of the Backing Track!

WDIT is a much more Soulful record with the Lead Vocal (IMO).

However, I don't entirely agree that an instrumental can't be 'Soulful' and much prefer some records as instrumentals where the vocal is not my cuppa tea i.e. "To Win Your Heart" Laura Lee... Much prefer Festival Time!

Sean

I must admit when I first went to USA I heard some great saxaphone and harmonica live .. in New Orleans and Memphis.. amazing stuff ..

This example is fcuking shite Simon

Yeah but its under the Northern Soul banner ..I think keb had it off Clarkie at the 100 club way back ?

Edited July 2, 200717 yr by Simon M

While I'm not a fan of Deep Soul by any means, same as any genre there are tracks that make the hair on the back of your neck stand up and your brain goes WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT???????? I WANT IT!!!!!

For me they're few and far between, but I can understand why people do like it, same as I can understand why some people like early blues, or jazz, or heavy metal, punk, psychobilly, whatever.... THye all have 'something' which appeals. But there is a time and a place for each and every genre, and 3 in the morning at a crowded Northern nighter is probably not it (although these tired legs would probably disagree at that point )

(God knows why people listen to modern pop music though.. still trying to find either the time or the place for that!)

(I think thats just me getting older though)

DEEP SOUL EVERYTIME FOR ME PARTICULARY AS I GET OLDER AND SEE THE UTTER SHITE WHICH CAN BE PASSED OFF AND PLAYED ,HAPPY TO BE IN THE MINORITY ON THIS.

BAZ A.

Yeah but its under the Northern Soul banner ..I think keb had it off Clarkie at the 100 club way back ?

Yep. Never my cup of tea this sort of thing - under whatever banner. There was quite a bit of stuff I didn't like from messrs Darge and Henigan - during there "60's newies" heydeys. But that's a different story debate!

Yep. Never my cup of tea this sort of thing - under whatever banner. There was quite a bit of stuff I didn't like from messrs Darge and Henigan - during there "60's newies" heydeys. But that's a different story debate!

If only we could remember all the bad ones as well hey

I personally like Soul music from most sub genres, albeit not every record within the particular style.....I like what I like and not what individuals tell me I should like, each to his / her own........after all music is a very personal thing

In my opinion deep soul is soul music in it's purest form. The genre doesn't have pretentions to be anything else and it is this sincerity that hooked me a long time ago.

As previously stated some of the tracks that masquerade as "soul" music nowadays really is quite frightening.

Without deep soul in my life there would be one almighty gap.

Edited July 2, 200717 yr by Richard Bergman

..I think keb had it off Clarkie at the 100 club way back ?

Paradox on Polydor - take off the fuzz guitars at the start and you've got a good little instrumental.

In my opinion deep soul is soul music in it's purest form. The genre doesn't have pretentions to be anything else and it is this sincerity that hooked me a long time ago.

As previously stated some of the tracks that masquerade as "soul" music nowadays really is quite frightening.

Without deep soul in my life there would be one almighty gap.

Yes but deep soul has got nothing to do with northern soul so I don't really understand why people are comparing the two.

It's pretty obvious that the deep soul lovers think of themselves as a class above everyone else so maybe they should join up with the modern soul crowd, do us all a favour and disappear up their own arseholes. No offence meant.

Edited July 2, 200717 yr by Pete-S

Paradox on Polydor - take off the fuzz guitars at the start and you've got a good little instrumental.

Only Uk Polydor as far as I know .. I think its very rare ?

Only Uk Polydor as far as I know .. I think its very rare ?

it's rare but not that rare. I was telling James the other day cos he bought the subject up, I had about 5 copies of this over the years and I also discovered the vocal (on UK RCA) - the vocal is terrible incidentally

Edited July 2, 200717 yr by Pete-S

I personally like Soul music from most sub genres, albeit not every record within the particular style.....I like what I like and not what individuals tell me I should like, each to his / her own........after all music is a very personal thing

Yes but deep soul has got nothing to do with northern soul so I don't really understand why people are comparing the two.

Nothing to do with it - except for the artists, producers, labels, musicians, era, culture of origin........

It's pretty obvious that the deep soul lovers think of themselves as a class above everyone else so maybe they should join up with the modern soul crowd, do us all a favour and disappear up their own arseholes. No offence meant.

That's right mate - we're different league. In fact I don't believe I'm lowering myself to answer your post. And f@#k me, I like Deep and Modern. i must be the most stuck up prick on earth.

No offense taken.

That's right mate - we're different league. In fact I don't believe I'm lowering myself to answer your post. And f@#k me, I like Deep and Modern. i must be the most stuck up prick on earth.

No offense taken.

Yeah you probably are.

I can see you

jimmy_hughes_2.mp3

Yeah you probably are.

Thats very very Deep!

benny_spellman.mp3

jimmy_hughes_2.mp3

Edited July 2, 200717 yr by mossy

don_gardener.mp3

benny_spellman_2.mp3

Agreed Man !..............came home from work tonight in a great mood ...........then I put this VINYL LP on

Now I am Pissed of with the NS Scene .......Scooter Scene............the Missus...........EVERYTHING!!!!!

THESE SOUNDs SHOULD COME WITH A WARNING............................."THIS MIGHT MAKE PETE SMITH DEPRESSED! "

Edited July 2, 200717 yr by mossy

Tlowell_fulsom.mp3

this track is a blues / soul tune about the weather at the moment near PETE SMITHS HOUSE

oh...............see all my MUCKKAS this weekend at the isle of man SCOOTER rally.......even if it rains!!!

ALWAYS LAMBRETTA.................EVEN FOR WORK ! LAMBRETTA ...........INNOCENTI

Edited July 3, 200717 yr by mossy

Yes but deep soul has got nothing to do with northern soul so I don't really understand why people are comparing the two.

It's pretty obvious that the deep soul lovers think of themselves as a class above everyone else so maybe they should join up with the modern soul crowd, do us all a favour and disappear up their own arseholes. No offence meant.

If there is enough KY JELLY we will go up anyones arsehole!