Gwen Owens - Just Say You're Wanted And Needed - Velgo

[Pete S]

GWEN OWENS - JUST SAY YOU'RE WANTED (AND NEEDED) - VELGO ISSUE

One of the few copies that doesn't jump and it came from Gwen herself - she 5 copies, two mint minus ones, one hers, one her Mothers, this was hers. From the person I'm selling it for "john manship got 4k for a copy early this year from my mate on auction and his copy was described as ex++.but compared to mine it looked well used".

THIS IS PROBABLY THE CLEANEST COPY THAT EXISTS.

No trades / no offers, it's a set sale price and it's £4500.

[Mark Bicknell]

GWEN OWENS - JUST SAY YOU'RE WANTED (AND NEEDED) - VELGO ISSUE

One of the few copies that doesn't jump and it came from Gwen herself - she 5 copies, two mint minus ones, one hers, one her Mothers, this was hers. From the person I'm selling it for "john manship got 4k for a copy early this year from my mate on auction and his copy was described as ex++.but compared to mine it looked well used".

THIS IS PROBABLY THE CLEANEST COPY THAT EXISTS.

No trades / no offers, it's a set sale price and it's £4500.

That'll pay the rent Pete for a couple of weeks, classic record.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

[Pete S]

Not for me Mark but a bit of comission will come in handy!

[Simon M]

top record

[Guest]

Pete, Where did you get you're info from?

"john manship got 4k for a copy early this year from my mate on auction and his copy was described as ex++.but compared to mine it looked well used".

We actually achieved £3516 and according to the data on the file it was graded M minus?

PS I've personally never had a copy that jumps.. I think that "They all Jump" rumour, was maybe spread by the guy who's copy skipped at the start..there was one circulating through th 80s, the copy we have in stock now doesn't jump either..

Gwen Owens owners.. Does your copy jump? Be interesting to know..

Edited October 9, 2007 by john manship

[Pete S]

Pete, Where did you get you're info from?

"john manship got 4k for a copy early this year from my mate on auction and his copy was described as ex++.but compared to mine it looked well used".

We actually achieved £3516 and according to the data on the file it was graded M minus?

PS I've personally never had a copy that jumps.. I think that "They all Jump" rumour, was maybe spread by the guy who's copy skipped at the start..there was one circulating through th 80s, the copy we have in stock now doesn't jump either..

Gwen Owens owners.. Does your copy jump? Be interesting to know..

I can't tell you on here but I'll PM you.

Back in the 'old days', every copy that was played at Wigan jumped. Russ's did, pep's did, I know this cos I've still got tapes of it being played.

But I know what you mean. I see records advertised on here which say things like "doesn't hiss, most copies do" and "slightly off centre like most copies" and most of the time it's a load of rubbish. I remember talking to you about that Detroit Executives, everyone said all copies were off centre, and you rightly said they had a tiny bump on the run on and we agreed that the only off centre copy was owned by the person who started the rumour.

[Ady Potts]

I can't tell you on here but I'll PM you.

Back in the 'old days', every copy that was played at Wigan jumped. Russ's did, pep's did, I know this cos I've still got tapes of it being played.

But I know what you mean. I see records advertised on here which say things like "doesn't hiss, most copies do" and "slightly off centre like most copies" and most of the time it's a load of rubbish. I remember talking to you about that Detroit Executives, everyone said all copies were off centre, and you rightly said they had a tiny bump on the run on and we agreed that the only off centre copy was owned by the person who started the rumour.

That's right, they did.

My mint- copy jumps near the end.

There are two presses of the issue ( & i'm not talking about the bootleg), then there's the demo.

When Gwen first came over to the U.K. & Rob Thomas got those copies off her we went back to my chalet with them. It was at that point I realised there were two presses. One (the same as mine in the photo) has a narrower run in & run out dead wax compared to the other. These copies have real tight grooves. It's a much louder recording than the other press. This is the press that is prone to have the jump towards the end. However, in those copies there was one that didn't jump at all, then another one jumped sometimes. I played all the copies.

The other press, with the wider run in/run out, was made from a different vinyl & pressed on a different press. Like I say, lower volume, but these DON'T jump. I seem to remember the green was a touch lighter in colour on these.

When I asked Gwen if she remembers anything about why there were two presses, she didn't.

Hope this helps.

pottsy

ps

There was a photo that I took of Tommy holding all the copies that night in the chalet, it went in Manifesto at the time, perhaps he can remember how many copies there were.

[Shsdave]

That's right, they did.

My mint- copy jumps near the end.

There are two presses of the issue ( & i'm not talking about the bootleg), then there's the demo.

When Gwen first came over to the U.K. & Rob Thomas got those copies off her we went back to my chalet with them. It was at that point I realised there were two presses. One (the same as mine in the photo) has a narrower run in & run out dead wax compared to the other. These copies have real tight grooves. It's a much louder recording than the other press. This is the press that is prone to have the jump towards the end. However, in those copies there was one that didn't jump at all, then another one jumped sometimes. I played all the copies.

The other press, with the wider run in/run out, was made from a different vinyl & pressed on a different press. Like I say, lower volume, but these DON'T jump. I seem to remember the green was a touch lighter in colour on these.

When I asked Gwen if she remembers anything about why there were two presses, she didn't.

Hope this helps.

pottsy

ps

There was a photo that I took of Tommy holding all the copies that night in the chalet, it went in Manifesto at the time, perhaps he can remember how many copies there were.

Think it was 5 copies Ady, I remember the photo

Hope you're well mate

[Ted Massey]

Mine Jumps some times usually when i try and play it out, this was the one Tony Parker bought of Andy Spencer for £90 and sent it back cause he wasnt happy with the condition

[Dave Thorley]

Anyone got one that jumps for sale, at a much reduced price of course

[Guest moggy]

What does a non jumping demo go for

[Simsy]

Think maybe a Gwen thread in LAYB could be worthwhile? Anyone wants to start one?

Don't want to clog up sales section too much, ta.

[Dave Moore]

What does a non jumping demo go for

I offered 3300 about 4 years ago and was beaten to it. Only ever seen a couple. Both were scruffy looking but played without the jump.

Cue Pedro?

[Pete S]

Now sold, thanks for the interest

[Guest Tommy]

ps

There was a photo that I took of Tommy holding all the copies that night in the chalet, it went in Manifesto at the time, perhaps he can remember how many copies there were.

I'm pretty sure there were 6 in total, including your copy Dad.

[Cheltsoulnights]

I offered 3300 about 4 years ago and was beaten to it. Only ever seen a couple. Both were scruffy looking but played without the jump.

Cue Pedro?

ok I'll own up, mines white and M- (no jump)

bought 4 days after the 5 copies showed at Prestatyn

bought for a pittance of ebay, I had to ring 4 dealers to authenticate before bidding, two didn't know it existed!

Never seen another or know of another (probably maybe a couple in collections, I guess) but sofar no one has mentioned another.

Cue the feedback

[Keithw]

ok I'll own up, mines white and M- (no jump)

bought 4 days after the 5 copies showed at Prestatyn

bought for a pittance of ebay, I had to ring 4 dealers to authenticate before bidding, two didn't know it existed!

Never seen another or know of another (probably maybe a couple in collections, I guess) but sofar no one has mentioned another.

Cue the feedback

nige johnson has a white demo far as i remember

[Pomonkey]

Kept quiet as didn't want to mess up Pete's sale but there was an immaculate, non-jumping copy at the Allentown before last for a fraction of this, don't know who ended up getting it.....

Edited October 11, 2007 by pomonkey

[Cheltsoulnights]

nige johnson has a white demo far as i remember

thats two, any more?

[Bob]

thats two, any more?

Yes Pete, John Philips has one I think he got it from Andy Dyson several years ago and he put photocopies of it on flyers for the Earl of Doncaster soul nights.

[Ady Potts]

thats two, any more?

My mate, better not say his name, best check first. I was looking at it a few weeks ago, def white demo.

What about that fella on hear that broke his white demo copy a couple of years ago, had it sticking up in his record box tripped over it, or something like that, he posted up a photo of it.

[Dave Moore]

My mate, better not say his name, best check first. I was looking at it a few weeks ago, def white demo.

What about that fella on hear that broke his white demo copy a couple of years ago, had it sticking up in his record box tripped over it, or something like that, he posted up a photo of it.

OUCH!!

[Guest Baz]

My mate, better not say his name, best check first. I was looking at it a few weeks ago, def white demo.

What about that fella on hear that broke his white demo copy a couple of years ago, had it sticking up in his record box tripped over it, or something like that, he posted up a photo of it.

Mark Whittely, form Yorkshire, I think is his name, Wayne Sherman used to have both Issue and Demo, Greedy b****rd sold both to Shifty though

[Simon T]

Mark Whittely, form Yorkshire, I think is his name, Wayne Sherman used to have both Issue and Demo, Greedy b****rd sold both to Shifty though

Billy the Boot AKA MW

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/index.p...ic=6146&hl=

Edited October 11, 2007 by Simon T

[Guest moggy]

Yes Pete, John Philips has one I think he got it from Andy Dyson several years ago and he put photocopies of it on flyers for the Earl of Doncaster soul nights.

He sure has, was looking at it last year at his home, had"nt seen him for ten years, so decided to catch up with him before he jetted off to live in Australia, was not a minter though VG+ at best, hey but who give a fook, first one I had ever seen sad ba***d or what

Went to the Wilton allnighter with him that weekend for his final spot in the UK what a great night & spot he produced