Steve Edgar Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Taurus & Leo[Velvet Sound] don't sound 70's to me ROD agree bout Taurus and Leo, I'm sure I've seen this listed as being from '67. As a matter of interest was there any other releases on Velvet Sound? Taurus and Leo has a label number of 45-367. or was that just a number given by Atco, the label's distributor? steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Isn't Gary Dean on YOUNG a Detroit 45? Keep Big Wheel and dump the garage labels as I know Mel was only interested in the soul/northern aspect. Be a bit of a mish-mash otherwise. Taurus & Leo[Velvet Sound] don't sound 70's to me ROD I agree stick to the soul labels only, just let me know what to dump Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 The Gospel and kiddies label (Archer) I've removed unless someone can give a better reason for their inclusion I've removed the A-Squared, Fenton and Hideout Rod queried too. Any more thoughts on Boo (& Aquarius)? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modernsoulsucks Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 agree bout Taurus and Leo, I'm sure I've seen this listed as being from '67. As a matter of interest was there any other releases on Velvet Sound? Taurus and Leo has a label number of 45-367. or was that just a number given by Atco, the label's distributor? steve DJ copy doesn't have any info about Atco. Only a ZTSC stamped number and an "Empire" production. ROD Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tricky Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Right somebody has to make a decision on outside of detroit labels.Soulwise i would keep them in.I mean Mutt is there as is Tri City. On this basis. Better World Flip Hotline Music Journal Moonville Usa Ultra City Valerie Wood City Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
carl_p Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 The Gospel and kiddies label (Archer) I've removed unless someone can give a better reason for their inclusion I've removed the A-Squared, Fenton and Hideout Rod queried too. i thinks some of the rationals 45's can be considered mod or soulful? also i think HP Movement on hideout was a mixed group. couple others are: Hot Creed? (gino washington) Standout (white girl group part of hideout if i'm not mistaken) Hot-Line Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tony Smith Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 agree bout Taurus and Leo, I'm sure I've seen this listed as being from '67. As a matter of interest was there any other releases on Velvet Sound? steve Yes Billy Soul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve Edgar Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 DJ copy doesn't have any info about Atco. Only a ZTSC stamped number and an "Empire" production. ROD only got the issue Rod, which is vinyl (AT/LW) and dont mention "Empire" steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve Edgar Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Right somebody has to make a decision on outside of detroit labels.Soulwise i would keep them in.I mean Mutt is there as is Tri City. On this basis. Better World Flip Hotline Music Journal Moonville Usa Ultra City Valerie Wood City see where ya comin from with "MUTT" having an Inkster address, not being very good geography wise myself, but I thort Inkster was a suburb of Detroit?? re Palmer James' HotLine Music Journal, I thort that was an Amy Mala Bell label out of New York steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve Edgar Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Yes Billy Soul cheers for that Tony, just had a listen, sounds very early steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Weingarden Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 see where ya comin from with "MUTT" having an Inkster address, not being very good geography wise myself, but I thort Inkster was a suburb of Detroit?? re Palmer James' HotLine Music Journal, I thort that was an Amy Mala Bell label out of New York steve inkster IS a suburb of detroit. a few of these other labels are from places like grand rapids, which is a couple hours' drive from detroit, and saginaw, which is even farther. hot line music journal may have been distributed by amy/mala/bell, but it certainly has to be considered a grand rapids label, like wood city and equal. re Aquarius: are there two (or three?) detroit labels with that name? or is the yellow candace love aquarius the same as the multicolored soul-inpressions, domestic five, and ultimate ovation aquarius and the red calvin golden aquarius? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve Edgar Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 re Aquarius: are there two (or three?) detroit labels with that name? or is the yellow candace love aquarius the same as the multicolored soul-inpressions, domestic five, and ultimate ovation aquarius and the red calvin golden aquarius? Besides Ric Williams Aquarius label which seemed to be set up for Candace Love, I have seen another yellow Aquarius label (Loyce Cotton?) that Im sure was a southern label, guess name was used a few times on labels steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Is too Teen Town,worst "Ronnie & Robbin" record ever also came out on Hanna-Barbara. It's Team Town rather than Teen Town: Ronnie & Robyn - Cradle of Love/Dreamin' (Team Town 9001/9002). Links in with Sidra and WIG numbering system. Cheers Richard Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Md Records Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 I appreciate that they're billed as the "Bee Gee Stans Of Detroit" but this track on "Tal Vert" was included on the "Ol' Virginia Soul volume 3" compilation, haven't got the C.D. or sleeve notes to hand, maybe needs confirmation one way or the other. Des Parker What's on the Detroit Astra label, from the listing, or am I being a bit thick/forgetful. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modernsoulsucks Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 I appreciate that they're billed as the "Bee Gee Stans Of Detroit" but this track on "Tal Vert" was included on the "Ol' Virginia Soul volume 3" compilation, haven't got the C.D. or sleeve notes to hand, maybe needs confirmation one way or the other. Des Parker What's on the Detroit Astra label, from the listing, or am I being a bit thick/forgetful. I think there may be more than one Astra. I got Aqua-Nites for a mate who collects Detroit early stuff and I think another title by a female. Yellow label. No Northern things I would imagine as a bit early for us. ROD Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
carl_p Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 (edited) Aqua-Nites had two records on astra i believe it was a white group. Mr Big is another doo wop label i think it's detroit (little tom & valentines) & Comma Edited November 14, 2008 by carl_p Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
carl_p Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 (edited) "astra" was a Bill Carnes' label along with "hyland" and it's a bomb and probably a few others. he leased out one of the aqua nites 45's and it came out on a astra label out of swissville pa. so there were two astra labels one in pa and one from detroit. and clara hardy had a 45 on astra. Edited November 14, 2008 by carl_p Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Md Records Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Interesting stuff Carl, what's the Clara Hardy like? Des Parker Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modernsoulsucks Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Interesting stuff Carl, what's the Clara Hardy like? Des Parker From a Northern perspective bobbins. That was the female 45 I mentioned. ROD Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
carl_p Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Interesting stuff Carl, what's the Clara Hardy like? Des Parker nice steady beat slightly uptempo with male group backing. b-side is a little faster almost surf/r&r. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Weingarden Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 couple more missing ones: Bango Davey-Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
boba Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 inkster IS a suburb of detroit. a few of these other labels are from places like grand rapids, which is a couple hours' drive from detroit, and saginaw, which is even farther. hot line music journal may have been distributed by amy/mala/bell, but it certainly has to be considered a grand rapids label, like wood city and equal. re Aquarius: are there two (or three?) detroit labels with that name? or is the yellow candace love aquarius the same as the multicolored soul-inpressions, domestic five, and ultimate ovation aquarius and the red calvin golden aquarius? the candace love aquarius is the chicago aquarius, same as boo, zodiac, shock etc. I know that most of the productions had to do with the bros of soul but there were some local chicago ones (e.g. norfleet bros, inner drive) and the fact that the label owner sent people to detroit to work with detroit writers and arrangers (bros of soul, mike terry) doesn't make it a detroit label in my opinion. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rob Wigley Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Ta Rob, hope you are both well? Hi Chalky are you at kevs do at Cleggy tomorrow ? rob & karen Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 "astra" was a Bill Carnes' label along with "hyland" and it's a bomb and probably a few others. he leased out one of the aqua nites 45's and it came out on a astra label out of swissville pa. so there were two astra labels one in pa and one from detroit. and clara hardy had a 45 on astra. Aqua-Nites - Lover Don't You Weep on Astra 1000 has a Swissvale PA address. Aqua-Nites - Carioca on Astra 2003 has the Detroit, Michigan address. Clara Hardy (backed by the Crescents) - Call My Name on Astra 3010 has the Detroit, Michigan address. The label says Another Dallas D X M Sound From Detroit. Cheers Richard Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rob Wigley Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Noticed a couple of 70s labels in list dont forget Rock Mill- formed and still running by Melvin davis Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Weingarden Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 oh, one more! Astronaut Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 (edited) Act Iv Adell A-Go-Go Al-Jacks Allrite Amazing Amon Amtonac Anna Aquarius Arc Arc Larc Art Ashford Astra Astronaut Atac Atkins All-Star (70's) Audrey Autocap Avenue Awake Baby Bailey Bango Bantu Bard Barracuda Bart Missprint? Becco Bee Bernard Big 8 Big D Big H Big Hit Big Mac Big Mack Big Star Big Wheel Birdie Black Gold Black Rock Blaze Bomb Bon Bonnie Boo-Ga-Loo Boss Bronse Brut Brute Bsc Bumble Bee Bumpshop Burnie's Label Burt C&T Candi Capito Career World Carla Carrie Celebrity Cha-Tok Checkmate Check-Mate Cherie Chex Chex Chrysler Circus Clissac Club America Cm Coconut Groove Column Compos Contour Coolschool Correc-Tone Coup? (Barrett Strong) Creative Profile (maybe just 70s) Crosley Crow Cu-Wu D Town D.M.D. D.T. D.Town Daco Danceland Dar Cha Dark Mirror Davey-Paul Dearborn Dee Gee Deltron Demoristic De-To Detroit Country Detroit Gold Detroit Sound Detroit Street Service Detroit Traks Dial Diamond Jim Divinity Do De Re Dode Dottys Double L Double Soul Drew Drumhead (Lathrup Village) Drummond D-Town Dynamics E V Eastbound Eclipse Ecology Empire Enterprise Ermi Ernstrat Esp Ev Exit Fascination Fee Fine Art Flaming Arrow Flick Flip-O Fortune Fox Fulton Future Electric G.M. Gail & Rice Ge Ge Gemni Genbro Genesis Geneva Get Down (70's) Ghetto? (Sunrise Movement) Giant Gig Givhan Gloreco Gloria Go-Gee Gold Gold Soul Golden Hit Golden World Gordy Grand Junction Groove City Groovesville Gtm Harvey Heart, Amore, Desire Heavy Hank (maybe just 70s) Hercules Hib Hi-Lite Hi-Q Hit Hit Pack HJB (Gospel) Hob Hot Wax HPC Hyland Impact Inferno Inter Soul International Hits International Soulsville Invasion Invictus J & W Jaber Jaber Jackpot Jam Jerry-O Jmc Jump Off? J-V-B JWJ (allegan) K.O. Kable Karen Kay-Ko Ke Ke King Soul Kingston International Knowles Kool Kat Kudo L.B.J. La Beat La Salle Lake Lando Lanrod Lasalle Latin American Lendo Lu-Mar? Lupine M.R.C. Magic City Magic Touch Mah's Mail Call Maltese Mandingo Marathon Marquee Martin Mary Jane Master Mas-Tok Maureen May Day Meadowbrook Megas Mello Melody Mel-O-Dy Mickays Mid Town Midnite Mier Mike Mike Millage Miracle Moira Motorpool Motown Movement Mrc M-S MSK Music Now (maybe just 70s) Mutt N.O.E. National Natural Nemo Express? (Tempting Five) New Day New Moon Northern Northern Del-La Not forgetting Nu-Sound O'clock Oncore Orbit Out Front Palmer Pameline Panik Parkside Peanut Pelikin Penny Pesents Records Petcol Pioneer Poo Pan Premium Stuff Prime Prince Adams Puff Punch Quality Rainbow Raldo Rambler Rambrock Rayber Red Cap Red City Red Line (70's) Reel Reliant Rem Ren-Cen Revilot Revival Rich Ric-Tic Ridge Riley's Ring Rob Ron Rock Mill (70's) Rolyat Productions Romac Ron Hol Ron's RRC Ruby Ruth S.V.R. Sage Saint Samo Sa-Mo Saxy Scope Selector Sound Sensation (Total Capacity) Sepia Setting Sun Shelby Sherwood? Shock Shotgun Showboat (70's) Sidra Silhouette Single B Sir-Rah Six-Toe Skin To Skin Sock-It Solid Hit Sonbert Soul (Motown) Soul (Not The Motown One Mike Hanks)* Soul Ave Soul Hawk Soul Track Soulapple Soulhawk Soul-O-Sonic Sound Sound Impressions Sound Patterns Sound Score Sound Trek? (Top Shelf) Soya Sparton Spin Sport Src Stacey Staff Stag Standard Groove---"I care about Detroit" Star Maker Star Track Starmaker Stephanye Stepp Ston-Roc Strate Sunflower Svr T.C.B. Tamla Tank Target Tay Tcb Team Town Teek Temple Ten High The Detroit Sound Thelma Theoda Three G's? Top Dog Top Hat Top Ten Topper Torch Tortoise Tortoise International Records Trevia (maybe just 70s) Tri Phi Tri Sound Tribe Tri-City Tri-Phi Triple B Tru-Ba-Dor Tru-Soul Tuba Tuna T-V U.S.D. Ultimate 1999 (70's/80's) United Universal Us America V.I.P. Val Valtone Vantage Point Velgo Velvet Sound Venus Village Viney Vip Voice Volkano Volume Von Voyage W.I.G. War Conn Washpan Wee-3 Weed Westbound Wheel City Wheels Four (dearborn) Wheelsville Whip Whitfield (70's) Wild Deuce Wildcat Wingate Workshop Jazz Young Ypsi (70's) Zebra Zelman Edited November 15, 2008 by chalky Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 These are the Gospel, 50's and questionable ones omitted from the list..... Hideout Fenton A-Squared Hot Creed Standout Hot-Line J&E (Gospel) JBE (Gospel) Ella Jones (Gospel) Kno-Mar (Gospel) HJB (gospel) Oasis (50's) O'mack (late 50's) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest CapitolSC Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Heres one thats been forgotten the Fiats Speak words of love/Before i walk out the door on universal Arranged by Dale Warren. Al H Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modernsoulsucks Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 These are the Gospel, 50's and questionable ones omitted from the list..... Hideout Fenton A-Squared Hot Creed Standout Hot-Line J&E (Gospel) JBE (Gospel) Ella Jones (Gospel) Kno-Mar (Gospel) HJB (gospel) Oasis (50's) O'mack (late 50's) Wasn't the Happy Cats on O'mack? ROD Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Wasn't the Happy Cats on O'mack? ROD Yep you are right Rod, i'll put it back in the list. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 What are the rules again? No garage but Soul/Northern is ok? If funk 45s are eligible, how about New Detroit? As in Johnnie Walker - Love at First Taste. I assume it's a sub of GM, as it's a GM production and label number is GM 163. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest toby Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 What? I think he is refering to some artists that were from Detoit that recorded on some Atlantic releases,The list he put up was a part of a project i had going way back in late 70s/early 80s compiling Detroit labels artists as part of my wants list,i remember giving him an unfinished draft of the book thing i was doing at the time. If i get time to dig the remaining copies out ill send you one Pete,i think i listed over 26,000 records on over 800 labels,it ran from 1958 up to around 1983 ish,loads of photo copy labels etc matrix #s and a whole host of useless info on /in it . Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
The Yank Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 If you're deleting Gospel labels, I think Divinity should go. I've never seen anything other than Gospel on this label. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Craig W Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 2 more here that I cant see on the list the first from the 60's the second I have noticed for sale on Ebay which dates from the early 70's. Jer Jim Han 60's Black-Lady 70's Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 What are the rules again? No garage but Soul/Northern is ok? If funk 45s are eligible, how about New Detroit? As in Johnnie Walker - Love at First Taste. I assume it's a sub of GM, as it's a GM production and label number is GM 163. We're by and large sticking to the soul/northern. 70's don't mind as i'll say so after if thats what it is. Funk probably no use to many on here but post 'em anyway, I might do a separate list of the gospel/funk etc. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
carl_p Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 (edited) Debutantes were on Standout. patty charles and joan duval were on Hot hot line i'll have to look but i'm sure it belongs (not the same as the grand rapids hot line journal) j-r (betty jean) laureen Sable ??? prodigal mowest mandingo is technically toledo ohio but was a detroit group organic??? jimmy barnes jer jim han (hymes sisters) i think pontiac Arrow (al allen) Edited November 15, 2008 by carl_p Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Debutantes were on Standout. patty charles and joan duval were on Hot hot line i'll have to look but i'm sure it belongs (not the same as the grand rapids hot line journal) j-r (betty jean) laureen Sable ??? prodigal mowest mandingo is technically toledo ohio but was a detroit group organic??? jimmy barnes jer jim han (hymes sisters) i think pontiac Arrow (al allen) mowest, is that before or after motowns move to the west coast? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
carl_p Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 the first one devastating affair says 1972. some of the others say 1971, so i'm not sure but i think it would have started in detroit. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
De-to Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 probably been done but cant be bothered to look too much,j.v. label and success label??? and a 70s detroit label,kapp ivory project,its over on det mi 1 ???, Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 the first one devastating affair says 1972. some of the others say 1971, so i'm not sure but i think it would have started in detroit. just been reading that the label was handled by Motown's West Coast office. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Rare Earth ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
De-to Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 (edited) wasnt hog records a part of the wheelsville set up,??? lee rogers on soul-wheel label... Edited November 15, 2008 by de-to Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 probably been done but cant be bothered to look too much,j.v. label and success label??? and a 70s detroit label,kapp ivory project,its over on det mi 1 ???, J-V Chicago isn't it and pretty sure Success is too judging by some of the artists on it, unless there are more than one. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 wasnt hog records a part of the wheelsville set up,??? lee rogers on soul-wheel label... The Moments Hog? D.C. label isn't it? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Rare Earth ? yes but was it strictly a soul label? was set up for white rock bands according to quick web search? Prodigal someone mentioned was purchased by Motown in '74 so doubt it's Detroit. I'll update later when on PC upstairs. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve Edgar Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 The Moments Hog? D.C. label isn't it? am sure there was a Detroit Hog... sure I read it on an article on tera sherma , was it a Mike Hanks label??? steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 am sure there was a Detroit Hog... sure I read it on an article on tera sherma , was it a Mike Hanks label??? steve I'll check as soon as I can and update the list bit later. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
carl_p Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 you're probably right on the mowest. i think i heard hog was a mike hanks thing too but the moments were probably from dc area? a few more for consideration. M&M (freddie butler) Dynamite blues (brothers two prod by lee rogers) Kool (Gary brown) DMD Vestpocket Tayster NR (little reuben) Dynamic (delsina by dynamics) Green Eagle (element experience 70's) Midwest int. (empulse 70's) Ju-par (esquires 70's) Love (final decisions) Brown bomber (finesse 70's) Star Route (flint executives 70's?) Vertigo?? (paul frank an arp press but not sure if it's detroit?) Black Soul (wilson harris experience) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
boba Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 there were two presses of the hog, one was the dc version and the other was the same record with wheelsville distribution. it was a DC label and group but the label owners had detroit contacts. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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