Hello to all. I'm grateful for the appreciation that's been shown for "I Don't Like To Lose".

I was shocked in discovering how popular the record had become.

When I decided to auction off a personally autographed picture on Ebay, I didn't realize it would lead me to discover the Soul Source community. I've been told that a lot of members have questions for me.

HELLO AND WELCOME !

welcome aboard cecil

one of the greatest tunes ever, will be getting played for sure on friday @ The City

many regards

russ

Hello and welcome to Soul Source.

I'm sure the questions will come thick and fast when more people realize you are on this forum

Hello to all. I'm grateful for the appreciation that's been shown for "I Don't Like To Lose".

I was shocked in discovering how popular the record had become.

When I decided to auction off a personally autographed picture on Ebay, I didn't realize it would lead me to discover the Soul Source community. I've been told that a lot of members have questions for me.

Welcome to Soul Source Cecil. Absolutely love I Don't Like to Lose. We are honoured to have you join us.

Best wishes.

Suz

x

Hey Cecil, i fell in love with your record at about 2.30 am in the Parr hall soul allnighter in 1985....at 17 or 18 years of age. I honestly don't know more of your recordings/writing etc. So i will be looking forward to all the collectors on here pointing me in that direction..and obviously yourself.(most importantly ).

By the way....Looking GGOOOOD on the promotion photo's. A bit of a sharpsmith in your youth. I see.

Regards Mike.( oh and if your not Cecil and you're a con man elaborating on you sales pitch, with the pressing you're selling.....nice move)

Hello

Hi Cecil, Welcome to Soul Source,Your Record was a Wigan Casino ANTHEM and Thousands of people danced to it week in and out, and it still sounds as good 30yrs later, thank you personally for the great pleasure your recording as given me down the years...Best regards Chris

This just gets better and better, welcome home Mr Washington.

I am sure this is going to be fun.

IDLTL was played out at The 100 Club Saturday and sounded as fresh as 1978 by Warren then Dave Abbot spun My Proposal, what a night it was.

Edited July 1, 200915 yr by Prophonics 2029

Hello to all. I'm grateful for the appreciation that's been shown for "I Don't Like To Lose".

I was shocked in discovering how popular the record had become.

When I decided to auction off a personally autographed picture on Ebay, I didn't realize it would lead me to discover the Soul Source community. I've been told that a lot of members have questions for me.

Hi Cecil,

Welcome to Soul Source, Enjoy.

Edited July 1, 200915 yr by 45cellar

A warm welcome Mr. Washington.

Welcome aboard Reverend good to have you here.

Wow. We are honoured! Welcome Sir.

Hello to all. I'm grateful for the appreciation that's been shown for "I Don't Like To Lose".

I was shocked in discovering how popular the record had become.

When I decided to auction off a personally autographed picture on Ebay, I didn't realize it would lead me to discover the Soul Source community. I've been told that a lot of members have questions for me.

Welcome Mr Washington. IDLTL is one of my favourite northern tracks ever. It's appreciated in more places that you'd imagine. In Mexico City, for example.

And yes, we do have loads of questions to ask you. First of all:

How on earth did you make an absolutely awesome and powerful record?

So was it a bad experience in France that drove you to write "I don't like Toulouse?"

sorry...

We are honoured, helloo!

P

Fantastic!!!!!!!! Welcome to Soul Source and Hello from Germany!!! Great track and all that wild guessing while it was covered up for so long at The Wigan Casino and Toulouse !!

Hello to all. I'm grateful for the appreciation that's been shown for "I Don't Like To Lose".

I was shocked in discovering how popular the record had become.

When I decided to auction off a personally autographed picture on Ebay, I didn't realize it would lead me to discover the Soul Source community. I've been told that a lot of members have questions for me.

Welcome to soul source mr Washington,thanks for making one of the finest 6ts soul records.i dont like to lose was the 1 everyone was after in 1978.just a pity you never got to see the full dance floor at wigan casino every saturday night.

Edited July 1, 200915 yr by rovers

Fantastic!

Welcome, Cecil. My favourite record is "My Proposal" Thank You!

Fantastic!

Welcome, Cecil. My favourite record is "My Proposal" Thank You!

welcome to the home of soul, and respect to you sir

Mr Washington is it Ok if I still go by the name Prophonics and do you know how the name came about and was any label named after you or should all this be in another thread.

Pro.

Hello Cecil - welcome to the world of Northern Soul. I love, love, love I Dont Like To lose.

Can you tell us who "The Group featuring Cecil Washington" was?

How many, who they are, where are the now etc?

It would be great if you can remember any details.

Thanks

Mick

Edited July 2, 200915 yr by soulsider

Hello Cecil - welcome to the world of Northern Soul. I love, love, love I Dont Like To lose.

Can you tell us who "The Group featuring Cecil Washington" was?

How many, who they are, where are the now etc?

It would be great if you can remember any details.

Thanks

Mick

Hello Mick. Paul Potts started Prophonics by building a small recording studio in the basement of his home in Mt. Morris, Michigan (a suburb of Flint, Michigan). I became a part owner in Prophonics by assisting local artists and bands that came in to record. That was the beginning. I was the first artist to sign under that label in June of 1966. (I had been offered a contract by Motown but at that time they were signing performers and shelving them with no guarantees.)

"The Group" was a group of young men who came in to record a couple of songs written by Bill Tuthill - "I Don't Like To Lose" & "Light of Day".

Bill agreed with his producer to ask me to sing it. The record made it to the top ten locally but we never got any national air play. I was really amazed to find that so many years later that it had become so popular in the UK. I was also surprised to learn that a song I wrote, "My Proposal", has done so well.

At one point a man by the name of Simon Soussan offered to bring me to Europe.

There is so much to tell that I'm even considering writing my story.

Some of the musicians that worked with me were Tommy Waugh, Bob Dukes, John Coon, Al Hatch & Al Richardson.

Does anyone know Paul Potts or where he is?

Mr Washington is it Ok if I still go by the name Prophonics and do you know how the name came about and was any label named after you or should all this be in another thread.

Pro.

Sir, it is an honor that you would think so much of "I Don't Like To Lose" that you would choose to identify with it in that way.

Paul Potts came up with the name Prophonics when he built a small recording studio in the basement of his home in Michigan.

I became a part owner in Prophonics and the label "Washington Square" was named after me.

As far as all this being in another thread is concerned, I don't have a clue. Remember that Soul Source is new to me. I haven't yet figured out how to respond to all the questions. When I answer one person, does everyone else get to see the answer. Since it's called a forum, I'm making that assumption.

Thanks for your interest.

welcome to the home of soul, and respect to you sir

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Thanks Dave. Only very recently did I become aware that "My Proposal" had so well received. I wrote it but also helped with singing it. My voice is the one that comes in with the harmony. Do you think there would be a market for a reissue of it?

Welcome to soul source mr Washington,thanks for making one of the finest 6ts soul records.i dont like to lose was the 1 everyone was after in 1978.just a pity you never got to see the full dance floor at wigan casino every saturday night.

Hello. The internet has given me some idea of how it must have been. I've seen some videos on YouTube. Thanks for your welcome.

Hello to all. I'm grateful for the appreciation that's been shown for "I Don't Like To Lose".

I was shocked in discovering how popular the record had become.

When I decided to auction off a personally autographed picture on Ebay, I didn't realize it would lead me to discover the Soul Source community. I've been told that a lot of members have questions for me.

Welcome to soul source. I hope you enjoy it.

'I don't like to lose' is a fabulous record, I absolutely love it. I'm hoping one of the DJ's (Ginger Taylor) plays it tonight. In fact, now I've said that, I'm going to ask him to.

Best wishes

Jayne.x

Welcome to soul source. I hope you enjoy it.

'I don't like to lose' is a fabulous record, I absolutely love it. I'm hoping one of the DJ's (Ginger Taylor) plays it tonight. In fact, now I've said that, I'm going to ask him to.

Best wishes

Jayne.x

Thanks Jayne and thanks for loving good music.

Fantastic!!!!!!!! Welcome to Soul Source and Hello from Germany!!! Great track and all that wild guessing while it was covered up for so long at The Wigan Casino and Toulouse !!

Thanks. And what was so amazing is that it was even covered up from me. I had no idea is was that popular.

We are honoured, helloo!

P

Thanks for your welcome.

So was it a bad experience in France that drove you to write "I don't like Toulouse?"

sorry...

Actually, I didn't write it. Bill Tuthill was the writer. He and his pruducer asked me to sing it.

Welcome aboard Reverend good to have you here.

Thanks for the welcome.

Hi again,

Any replies you post on this forum can be read by everyone.

So you don't have to keep answering the same questions over and over.

Simon Soussan is well known on this scene. (Infamous even)

Choosing my words carefully he would be described as shady.

So my first question is what business proposition did he approach you with?

Was it just the European tour or were any other incentives put on the table?

My second is you said IDLTL was a local hit.

Can you remember how many records were pressed up?

And my third question is do you have any spare copies you can send me.

I'll pay the postage and packing.

It really is a privilege to chat with artists like yourself who don't realize how revered they are in the UK.

Thanks for your time and trouble.

Best wishes.

Tabs

Hey Cecil, i fell in love with your record at about 2.30 am in the Parr hall soul allnighter in 1985....at 17 or 18 years of age. I honestly don't know more of your recordings/writing etc. So i will be looking forward to all the collectors on here pointing me in that direction..and obviously yourself.(most importantly ).

By the way....Looking GGOOOOD on the promotion photo's. A bit of a sharpsmith in your youth. I see.

Regards Mike.( oh and if your not Cecil and you're a con man elaborating on you sales pitch, with the pressing you're selling.....nice move)

Hello Mike. Thanks for the welcome and thanks for loving good music.

1985 was the year I became a full time pastor.

I recorded IDLTL in 1967. I wrote, co-arranged and added voice on "My Proposal"; Coconut Groove label. I'm looking into my archives to see what else we may have.

I do remember conning some people as to who I was. I had a reversible jacket. I would show up wearing one side out and pretend to be my long lost twin brother. I'd then show up again wearing the other side and ask if anyone had seen my brother.

I had some of them fooled.

Hi again,

Any replies you post on this forum can be read by everyone.

So you don't have to keep answering the same questions over and over.

Simon Soussan is well known on this scene. (Infamous even)

Choosing my words carefully he would be described as shady.

So my first question is what business proposition did he approach you with?

Was it just the European tour or were any other incentives put on the table?

My second is you said IDLTL was a local hit.

Can you remember how many records were pressed up?

And my third question is do you have any spare copies you can send me.

I'll pay the postage and packing.

It really is a privilege to chat with artists like yourself who don't realize how revered they are in the UK.

Thanks for your time and trouble.

Best wishes.

Tabs

Thanks Tabs.

Simon only offered the tour. I believe the tour would've led to other offers.

I don't recall the number of records we pressed. I'm doing some research now.

If I find some spare copies to send, I'll let you know.

Welcome aboard Reverend good to have you here.

Hello Ged. Thanks for the welcome. I like the quote at the bottom of your post. The ease of the easy way is usually its reward.

Many thanks for the reply.

I find the history of artists and there recordings fascinating.

If the articles I've read are up to date you are now based in Kansas.

It must be incredibly difficult to research a recording over 40 years old and produced n Michigan.

And thats without attending to your ministerial duties which obviously take priority.

I really do appreciate you taking the time to come onto Soul Source.

Kind regards

Thanks Tabs.

Simon only offered the tour. I believe the tour would've led to other offers.

I don't recall the number of records we pressed. I'm doing some research now.

If I find some spare copies to send, I'll let you know.

Hi and welcome to Soul Source...still get goosebumps just thinking about IDLTL..the first time i heard it played at the Casino..some 30 years back..Delxxx

Welcome to Soul Source Reverend.

Like the others I am a big fan of IDLTL and also the Light of Day.

Hi Cecil

Welcome to Soul Source, great to see you on here and hope you enjoy the site.

As this has gone beyond an intro am going to move this thread to the main forum as sure be of interest to many.

welcome

Mike

Hello to all. I'm grateful for the appreciation that's been shown for "I Don't Like To Lose".

I was shocked in discovering how popular the record had become.

When I decided to auction off a personally autographed picture on Ebay, I didn't realize it would lead me to discover the Soul Source community. I've been told that a lot of members have questions for me.

Wow!!! ive just got goose bumps all over my arms-thee, Rev Cecil Washington, welcome

ps i lostout on your ebay autograph you should do a few more

DJ

Actually, I didn't write it. Bill Tuthill was the writer. He and his pruducer asked me to sing it.

welcome to soul source mr washington. your record gave thousands of people, me included, a lot of pleasure

30 yrs ago, and it still sound great today. those who were there will remember it was THE biggest record at the

wigan casino and packed the floor for yrs. did anything else get layed down in that session,and is there anything

in the vaults that may be of interest to anyone over here?

Hello Mick. Paul Potts started Prophonics by building a small recording studio in the basement of his home in Mt. Morris, Michigan (a suburb of Flint, Michigan). I became a part owner in Prophonics by assisting local artists and bands that came in to record. That was the beginning. I was the first artist to sign under that label in June of 1966. (I had been offered a contract by Motown but at that time they were signing performers and shelving them with no guarantees.).

Does anyone know Paul Potts or where he is?

yes, he won 'Britains got talent'

seriously , WELCOME !!! great to have you here

Me tooo....a big welcome to Soul Source from Australia Mr Washington.......were you singing or recording prior to IDLTL? I think we would all love to hear about your life & recording career.

KTF

Baz

Thanks Tabs.

Simon only offered the tour. I believe the tour would've led to other offers.

I don't recall the number of records we pressed. I'm doing some research now.

If I find some spare copies to send, I'll let you know.

Hi Cecil -thanks for providing us with one of the best records ever made. To echo what has previously been said, it was mind blowing at the Wigan Casino all nighters in 1978 when it was first played over here!! 30 years later it still sounds as good, I never get tired of hearing it.

Great to be able to convey this to you, all the best Steve

Hi Cecil,

Do you have any promotional photos of you and the group?, or any old photos we could see. We love that kind of thing!

Thanks in advance,

P

Hi Reverend - truly an honour for us!

Whilst I realise you didn't write the song IDLTL,could you illucidate on the general aim of the record.

I was led to believe it was intended as a message to wayward youth (funny that we embraced it so passionately!!)

Thanks in advance.

Paul

WOW

Welcome Cecil you are a true legend on the soul scene

oh and like Mr Abbott my fave tune is My Proposal too

I wonderer if I can help to remind you of your production and writing skills Cecil. Ok I know Lynn came out twice for the B-side but yours is the better version.

Edited July 7, 200915 yr by Prophonics 2029

Oops! forgot about these two

Hi Cecil

Can you tell me about a couple of things please? Do you have an exact address for the Prophonics label in Mt Morris? On Coconut Groove, were the Corrupters a Garage band or Soul? Also, on Prophonics, were 7th Court a Soul act? I understand that Coconut Groove was connected to the Davey-Paul label, can you confirm this please? Finally, I don't suppose you came across a 5 piece band from Saginaw called the Brigadiers from around '64, who were signed to Tri City records but never got a release?

Thank you

Keith