Bigsoulman Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200438715014&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest martyn Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 https://cgi.ebay.co.u...e=STRK:MEWAX:IT Looks in good nick too Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Marc Forrest Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 ...and went after this thread started from under 2000 up to over 3ooo USD LOL Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
NEV Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 ...and went after this thread started from under 2000 up to over 3ooo USD LOL This is definitely a case of money talks ,bidding on this one. It has soared in price since the 1st day it appeared and with so many days left ...it's a case of whoever has the biggest pot cos it's gonna be expensive . Makes you wonder why some people put a bid on so early, with no intention of following it up...is it so they can see the identity of the winner In fact it amazes me why,if your serious about winning it you'd be bidding with so many days to go Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Marc Forrest Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 In fact it amazes me why,if your serious about winning it you'd be bidding with so many days to go without being a psychoanalyst I suppose it has something to do with the thrilll some may get from "having had a bid on so and so...could have won it if not blabla..." Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
MarkWhiteley Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 without being a psychoanalyst I suppose it has something to do with the thrilll some may get from "having had a bid on so and so...could have won it if not blabla..." Spot on Mark, makes good conversation for some folk. Hear it all the time 'I bid on the---------------on ebay but got beat' Yeah, got beat cos you put £30 on a £500 record M. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
NEV Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Spot on Mark, makes good conversation for some folk. Hear it all the time 'I bid on the---------------on ebay but got beat' Yeah, got beat cos you put £30 on a £500 record M. Also the one that got away conversation ...i missed it by $2 on a two horse race .....who's to say the other fella did'nt have a $100 proxy bid in the bank above your final bid. Anyways back on track .....how many copies of this now , should newly unearthed copies reduce the price or do some records ignore that philosophy due to so indemand? Flip side does it for me and i'm not gonna start the old "this is shite " post .....cos as sure as night follows day..someone will Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Marc Forrest Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 ...should newly unearthed copies reduce the price or do some records ignore that philosophy due to so indemand? Haven`t heard of any new quantity being found and I don`t think the one one bay will create an inflation Nev . Awesome oldie and I love both sides. Just only too expensive for me LOL! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
NEV Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Haven`t heard of any new quantity being found and I don`t think the one one bay will create an inflation Nev . Awesome oldie and I love both sides. Just only too expensive for me LOL! Isnt this a new find then Mark? i know other copies sold recently are from collector to collector so not new finds unlike the conner cagle Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Marc Forrest Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Isnt this a new find then Mark? i know other copies sold recently are from collector to collector so not new finds unlike the conner cagle Neither a single sale such as the current Magnetics one nor two copies of conner cagle from different sellers on ebay are indication of any kind of a find at all. If you have more/better informations please let us all know Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Phild Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 without being a psychoanalyst I suppose it has something to do with the thrilll some may get from "having had a bid on so and so...could have won it if not blabla..." Maybe so for some. But, speaking just for myself, I like to put a reasonable bid in early just to see how far to push. It gives some ida of how much it may go to. Not sure if I'm "that" interested in this one. I know it's rarer than the Ray Pollard I won recently (which is actually in beautiful nick BTW ) but I'll deffo be going to $5k or so. Phil Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Marc Forrest Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Maybe so for some. But, speaking just for myself, I like to put a reasonable bid in early just to see how far to push. It gives some ida of how much it may go to. Not sure if I'm "that" interested in this one. I know it's rarer than the Ray Pollard I won recently (which is actually in beautiful nick BTW ) but I'll deffo be going to $5k or so. Phil Believe me Phil, you will save youself a lot of money when you stop doing this. Everybody and his dog will bid you up till they have overbid you days before the auction ends and then in comes you again putting in a new top bid. Good for ebay and the seller but way too bad for the buyer...you. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Phild Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 (edited) Believe me Phil, you will save youself a lot of money when you stop doing this. Everybody and his dog will bid you up till they have overbid you days before the auction ends and then in comes you again putting in a new top bid. Good for ebay and the seller but way too bad for the buyer...you. Actually you're right. No point paying over the odds if not needed. I just hate losing. Phil Edited February 13, 2010 by phild Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Codfromderby Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Spot on Mark, makes good conversation for some folk. Hear it all the time 'I bid on the---------------on ebay but got beat' Yeah, got beat cos you put £30 on a £500 record M. i wonder how many people on here have put a £30 bid on a record thats rated at £500 and actually won, sometimes thats the joy of e-bay, its inconsistency may mean you stand a chance, i got a bobby hutton "come see" for 12 quid, but a few weeks later a track i was selling thats in the guides at 250 went for its starting price of 4.99, so iguess my bid of 17.34 for lady in green is a bit out Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cheltsoulnights Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 Wow First one ive ever seen for sale and in fantastic condition. Its gonna go for lots me thinks Good luck Phil Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cheltsoulnights Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 Spot on Mark, makes good conversation for some folk. Hear it all the time 'I bid on the---------------on ebay but got beat' Yeah, got beat cos you put £30 on a £500 record M. I once bid and got an Ann Sexton on Impel for £60. Must have been lucky that day Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Phild Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 Wow First one ive ever seen for sale and in fantastic condition. Its gonna go for lots me thinks Good luck Phil I would quite like it, but I won't be winning it. I've taken some wise advice and now am not bidding on Ebay. I was gonna go up to $5k ish on this but no more. Thankfully my "test" bid of $3888 has now been beat. I'll stick to "proper" sources from now on. No point paying over the odds any more. Phil Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest JIM BARRY Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 I would quite like it, but I won't be winning it. I've taken some wise advice and now am not bidding on Ebay. I was gonna go up to $5k ish on this but no more. Thankfully my "test" bid of $3888 has now been beat. I'll stick to "proper" sources from now on. No point paying over the odds any more. Phil BEEN THERE DONE THAT PHIL, WISE MAN. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
boba Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Actually you're right. No point paying over the odds if not needed. I just hate losing. Phil Phil, if you want to win anything on ebay you have to snipe it anyways. Try esnipe.com, bidnapper.com, auctionsniper.com, etc. Bidding early just sets you up to be outbid. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Phild Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Thanks. I normally win by just putting in a series of ever increasing bids. I win some and lose some. I'll give it a go. Phil Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Philippe Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Phil, if you want to win anything on ebay you have to snipe it anyways. Try esnipe.com, bidnapper.com, auctionsniper.com, etc. Bidding early just sets you up to be outbid. EZ sniper is fine, too : https://www.ezsniper.com/ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
funkyfeet Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 (edited) This is definitely a case of money talks ,bidding on this one. It has soared in price since the 1st day it appeared and with so many days left ...it's a case of whoever has the biggest pot cos it's gonna be expensive . Makes you wonder why some people put a bid on so early, with no intention of following it up...is it so they can see the identity of the winner In fact it amazes me why,if your serious about winning it you'd be bidding with so many days to go Nev I always bid as soon as I've seen a record I want, I put my top price on it and that's that, I don't see the point in waiting in case I forget to bid, and if I've decided on a price I'm prepared to pay it makes no difference either way on a big number as far as I'm concerned. Won loads of big records on ebay without using Snipe, only useful if you're after getting something cheap and you aint going to get a big number on the cheap. Edited February 15, 2010 by funkyfeet Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Marc Forrest Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 ...I've taken some wise advice and now am not bidding on Ebay. ...I'll stick to "proper" sources from now on. Phil Hi Phil, why is that, anything wrong with the current ebay-seller ? Marc Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cover-up Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 >With this record I'm using an amplified version of the GOLDMINE grading system. In the most marketable grades of FAIR to NEAR MINT, I'm adding a numerical scale of .1 through .9 after the grade (e.g. VG.7 or NM.5), with .9 putting the record closest to the next grade. What an utterly insane grading system - adding a scale of 1 to 9 after basic gradings. What the hell is NM.5? Half way between yer basic near mint (NM.1) and totally and utterly mint (NM.10) aka M. I mean M.10. Or is that M.0? May the best man win! Or woman... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
boba Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Nev I always bid as soon as I've seen a record I want, I put my top price on it and that's that, I don't see the point in waiting in case I forget to bid, and if I've decided on a price I'm prepared to pay it makes no difference either way on a big number as far as I'm concerned. Won loads of big records on ebay without using Snipe, only useful if you're after getting something cheap and you aint going to get a big number on the cheap. sniping removes the psychology of the auction. people think they know their top price but they don't. when they see they've been outbid, they bid again, that means they really didn't put in their top price. your top price could have won if you removed the other bidder's opportunity to rebid. even if you win, you end up paying much more than you would have otherwise due to other bidder's rebidding, as I'm sure you will notice when you check the bid history and see other bidders rebidding. bidding early also knocks up the price early and sets higher standards for the record for everyone. even on the magnetics, now that it's up so high so early, even the snipers will be bidding much higher than they would otherwise than if it had stayed low until the last day. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Nev I always bid as soon as I've seen a record I want, I put my top price on it and that's that, I don't see the point in waiting in case I forget to bid, and if I've decided on a price I'm prepared to pay it makes no difference either way on a big number as far as I'm concerned. Won loads of big records on ebay without using Snipe, only useful if you're after getting something cheap and you aint going to get a big number on the cheap. Thats rubbish I'm afraid, sniping is invaluable, it's got nothing to do with getting things cheap, it's about not showing your hand. I've won over 3,000 records from $2 to $1000 using it. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
funkyfeet Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Thats rubbish I'm afraid, sniping is invaluable, it's got nothing to do with getting things cheap, it's about not showing your hand. I've won over 3,000 records from $2 to $1000 using it. That may be so Pete, but if your snipe is $1 lower than my top bid you lose, top bid always wins I'm afraid whether it's a snipe or not. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 That may be so Pete, but if your snipe is $1 lower than my top bid you lose, top bid always wins I'm afraid whether it's a snipe or not. Not saying it doesn't, but it saves the stress of wtahcing to see if someone outbids you, and it also stops me changing my mind and bidding higher than I originally wanted to! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
funkyfeet Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Not saying it doesn't, but it saves the stress of wtahcing to see if someone outbids you, and it also stops me changing my mind and bidding higher than I originally wanted to! Each to there own no right or wrong way just preference. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
NEV Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Not saying it doesn't, but it saves the stress of wtahcing to see if someone outbids you, and it also stops me changing my mind and bidding higher than I originally wanted to! Just spent the last five minutes reading this and cannot believe how someone can honestly think putting a bid on manually is better than sniping Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Phild Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Hi Phil, why is that, anything wrong with the current ebay-seller ? Marc No. Not aware of problems with any Ebay seller. Just that I have seen the light and Ebay is no longer the way to buy records for me. Phil Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
funkyfeet Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 Just spent the last five minutes reading this and cannot believe how someone can honestly think putting a bid on manually is better than sniping Why?????????? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
sperol Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 don't snipers fail sometimes? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
boba Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 Why?????????? well you keep saying it's "preference" but you didn't respond to a single point in my post for example (reposted again below). If you truly bid on ebay a lot and win, you would have experienced paying way more than you had to and it would have been obvious via looking at the bidder list and seeing bidders rebidding when they couldn't have if you sniped for example. I suspect since this is a seller-oriented board that many of the people opposed to sniping are actually sellers for whom sniping works against them making the most money (please don't take this as a shot at you, I don't know what your personal reasons are, although you haven't really given a specific reason why not sniping is good and haven't responded to anyone's reasons why sniping is good). sniping removes the psychology of the auction. people think they know their top price but they don't. when they see they've been outbid, they bid again, that means they really didn't put in their top price. your top price could have won if you removed the other bidder's opportunity to rebid. even if you win, you end up paying much more than you would have otherwise due to other bidder's rebidding, as I'm sure you will notice when you check the bid history and see other bidders rebidding. bidding early also knocks up the price early and sets higher standards for the record for everyone. even on the magnetics, now that it's up so high so early, even the snipers will be bidding much higher than they would otherwise than if it had stayed low until the last day. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
boba Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 don't snipers fail sometimes? yes, but very very rarely, most of the services have heavily redundant servers, etc. I have had maybe 3 snipes out of thousands fail, it's worth the risk for me. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Diggin' Dave Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 I'd say sniping is a very good idea in 99% of all cases, but with these big records I think it's just a case of who has the biggest pockets. Oh and if anyone doubted the sellers grading system I can say that this guy grades conservatively and whoever wins it will probably be very happy with what he gets. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Suinoz Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 I'd say sniping is a very good idea in 99% of all cases, but with these big records I think it's just a case of who has the biggest pockets. Oh and if anyone doubted the sellers grading system I can say that this guy grades conservatively and whoever wins it will probably be very happy with what he gets. Well i have'nt placed a bid yet and not sure if i'm even gonna to be honest. Looking through Manships guide of 2 years ago i see most of the Magnetics records are worth around 3 to 4000 pounds, well in his valuation scale they are. Just what is it that makes these so expensive ?? Rarity or simply because they sound so damn good. Who has copies of these and play's them out ? Are we talking rarity in the same way as Lester Tipton or Don Gardner? Hopefully Pete or Phil can answer that one for me. ATB Tony. OZ. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
funkyfeet Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 Well i have'nt placed a bid yet and not sure if i'm even gonna to be honest. Looking through Manships guide of 2 years ago i see most of the Magnetics records are worth around 3 to 4000 pounds, well in his valuation scale they are. Just what is it that makes these so expensive ?? Rarity or simply because they sound so damn good. Who has copies of these and play's them out ? Are we talking rarity in the same way as Lester Tipton or Don Gardner? Hopefully Pete or Phil can answer that one for me. ATB Tony. OZ. It's as rare as Lester Tipton, up until mid to late 80's only 4 known copies all from Martin Koppell back in early 70's, Martin kept one for himself Bob Foster (North Wales) brought the other 3 copies back to the UK. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
funkyfeet Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 well you keep saying it's "preference" but you didn't respond to a single point in my post for example (reposted again below). If you truly bid on ebay a lot and win, you would have experienced paying way more than you had to I Never pay more than I was prepared to pay sometimes it's lower. and it would have been obvious via looking at the bidder list and seeing bidders rebidding when they couldn't have if you sniped for example. I suspect since this is a seller-oriented board that many of the people opposed to sniping are actually sellers for whom sniping works against them making the most money (please don't take this as a shot at you, I don't know what your personal reasons are, although you haven't really given a specific reason why not sniping is good and haven't responded to anyone's reasons why sniping is good) I never said sniping is no good I just said it personal preference, been on ebay since beginning won loads of records cheap, but also paid what I though was my top price, I guess many a person will have sniped me and said I loss so and so by a $1, actually it could have been a $100's for all they know. sniping removes the psychology of the auction. people think they know their top price but they don't. when they see they've been outbid, they bid again, that means they really didn't put in their top price. your top price could have won if you removed the other bidder's opportunity to rebid. even if you win, you end up paying much more than you would have otherwise due to other bidder's rebidding, as I'm sure you will notice when you check the bid history and see other bidders rebidding. bidding early also knocks up the price early and sets higher standards for the record for everyone. even on the magnetics, now that it's up so high so early, even the snipers will be bidding much higher than they would otherwise than if it had stayed low until the last day. Sometime a big early bid actually scares off a lot of people, I suspect quite a few on here were hoping to put a snipe in now will not bother due to the price, so it works the other way as well. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Diggin' Dave Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 Just what is it that makes these so expensive ?? Supply and demand mate. Very few copies around and hundreds of people that wouldn't mind having it in the collection. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Marc Forrest Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 It's as rare as Lester Tipton, up until mid to late 80's only 4 known copies all from Martin Koppell back in early 70's, Martin kept one for himself Bob Foster (North Wales) brought the other 3 copies back to the UK. Remember being at Martins home when he showed me this one copy...forst time I had in my hands. Worth the travel (alomng other stthings of course LOL). Marc Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
NEV Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 Why?????????? Cos the auction has a precise end time and the sniper waits until the last 4 seconds before bidding. I know its gonna happen and how much it is but you don't, and by the time it happens yoy dont have time to respond We are not talking stupid bids on very rare records here ......i wait until the last few hrs and depending on the interest in a particular item i want ,i'll gauge how much i'm gonna bid . Hypothetically .....there are two bidders on my want...no activity for a few days....i know there's a proxy system ,so chances are one of the other bidders has got more in his pot. He does'nt know im gonna bid ,so is'nt ready for me ,but i know he's on it cos he's already showed himself. Only thing i have to worry about is another sniper or two....three..... Obviously if you have a bigger proxy bid than me ,yes you will win it ...but i don't want it if it's OTT .An OTT bid will always win the day,but i don't class that as winning . If i wanted to pay a high price for a record i'd put it in wants and offer a high price ,then watch em come out of the woodwork P.s Lets see if this record goes to one of those already on it ...or a sniper Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simsy Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 This guy picked a good time to sell. This was played by Butch at the January 100 Club nighter (first time in ages) and it was talked up on here in the Box section not long before - by some blabber mouth or other... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cheltsoulnights Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 That may be so Pete, but if your snipe is $1 lower than my top bid you lose, top bid always wins I'm afraid whether it's a snipe or not. It stops someone bidding you up who may not have put in a high enough bid Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Bigsoulman Posted February 20, 2010 Author Share Posted February 20, 2010 This guy picked a good time to sell. This was played by Butch at the January 100 Club nighter (first time in ages) and it was talked up on here in the Box section not long before - by some blabber mouth or other... Ian, please get rid of that avitar, it's making me feel quite ill Lenny Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Albert Petit Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 5.500 $ Bargain! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
snooky Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 (edited) what was the final price it went for...was in bed sleeping when it finished.... Edited February 22, 2010 by snooky Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Albert Petit Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Went it for 5.500$ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ady Potts Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Maybe so for some. But, speaking just for myself, I like to put a reasonable bid in early just to see how far to push. It gives some ida of how much it may go to. Not sure if I'm "that" interested in this one. I know it's rarer than the Ray Pollard I won recently (which is actually in beautiful nick BTW ) but I'll deffo be going to $5k or so. Phil Did you win it Phil ?!? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest wrighty Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Did you win it Phil ?!? no he didnt...and no it wasnt me either Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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