Mick Hucknall has been doing the rounds recently pushing his soon to be released  new Album, Blue Eyed Soul.

Got me wondering how long has the term been around, does it pre date the Northern scene or is it more recent.

Anyone?

 

6 minutes ago, chatty said:

Mick Hucknall has been doing the rounds recently pushing his soon to be released  new Album, Blue Eyed Soul.

Got me wondering how long has the term been around, does it pre date the Northern scene or is it more recent.

Anyone?

 

Biddu.  Had a album called Blue eyed soul in about 1975. The only way at the time to get Exodus . A instrumental track that was getting played at the time 

Steve 

Georgie Woods a philly DJ used it to describe The Righteous Brothers after seeing them in concert .... 

It stuck , they liked it and so 

they went on to name their 1964 Lp - Blue Eyed Soul , the rest as they say is history ! 

Edited October 17, 20195 yr by The Tempest

It's funny because the general impression is copycat artists stealing original black music and making a more commercially viable recording.

However John Anderson RIP does talk about white artists loving the music and trying to emulate the sound.

I think I'd definitely pre dates Northern as a term.

Just look at the stuff by Dusty S and Bobby G

Ed

Always get the impression it's seen as a derogatory term by some on the northern scene. 

10 minutes ago, Leicester Boy said:

Always get the impression it's seen as a derogatory term by some on the northern scene. 

I'd say derogatory on the rare soul scene....but Northern?  A bit rich for that scene to be all puritanical....

Ed

 

1 hour ago, chatty said:

Mick Hucknall has been doing the rounds recently pushing his soon to be released  new Album, Blue Eyed Soul.

Got me wondering how long has the term been around, does it pre date the Northern scene or is it more recent.

Anyone?

 

The Shades of Blue got there name from being white,they were given that name by John Rhys the sound engineer. Chris. 

mid 60ts 64/65

Blue-eyed soul (also known as white soul) is rhythm and blues and soul music performed by white artists. The term was coined in the mid-1960s, to describe white artists who performed soul and R&B that was similar to the music of the Motown and Stax record labels.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki

5 minutes ago, Zoomsoulblue said:

mid 60ts 64/65

Blue-eyed soul (also known as white soul) is rhythm and blues and soul music performed by white artists. The term was coined in the mid-1960s, to describe white artists who performed soul and R&B that was similar to the music of the Motown and Stax record labels.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki

links not working

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue-eyed_soul

2 hours ago, The Tempest said:

Georgie Woods a philly DJ used it to describe The Righteous Brothers after seeing them in concert .... 

It stuck , they liked it and so 

they went on to name their 1964 Lp - Blue Eyed Soul , the rest as they say is history ! 

there's an article knocking around based on that 

here are

 

3 hours ago, Tomangoes said:

It's funny because the general impression is copycat artists stealing original black music and making a more commercially viable recording.

However John Anderson RIP does talk about white artists loving the music and trying to emulate the sound.

I think I'd definitely pre dates Northern as a term.

Just look at the stuff by Dusty S and Bobby G

Ed

don't get the bobby g reference

to me like many others he was just a mainstream pop singer having a  go at a certain style that was popular at the time for whatever reasons.

What was it with him,  just the 2 or 3 tracks with a certain beat/style, 100s without? say not really a qualification that earns anyone the right to be tagged a 'soul' artist, be it blue eyed or what ever

quite a few 'blue eyed' had and got and delivered the 'soul' but I'd say not him... imo

 

 

Prime example of blue eyed soul here in the states is The Magnificent Men.

8 hours ago, Mike said:

links not working

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue-eyed_soul

there's an article knocking around based on that 

here are

 

Except that Bill Millar makes the oft-repeated and wholly incorrect assumption that Ben Aiken (of Loma and Phily Groove fame) was white  ...

4 hours ago, recordsnracin said:

Prime example of blue eyed soul here in the states is The Magnificent Men.

Tempests, Billy Harner, Len Barry, Matt Lucas, Intentions and loads of others. The Beach scene especially is littered with singers/groups who knew exactly what style of music they were singing.  

Dave 

If you click on the link below it has Numerous comments ref blue eyed soul - however one thing I certainly didn’t know was R&B replaced the term used at the time “race music”
 

Mike ErricoJuly 11, 2016 

Interpretations of “blue,” as in “sad,” date as far back as 1385, and Chaucer’s poem, The Complaint of Mars. In the late 1940s, Jerry Wexler, a white Billboard writer who later became a partner at Atlantic records, coined the term “Rhythm and Blues,” or “R&B,” to replace the then-used term “race music.” In effect, R&B became a blanket genre for black artists, and the convention has largely remained today.

https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2016/07/08/blue-eyed-soul-hate-phrase/

From my first book (sorry for the photos, no word file)...

 

Edited October 18, 20195 yr by Windlesoul

There are some great blue eyed soul artists who made real soul recordings , original and copy,s, Wayne Cochrane, PJ Proby ect spring to mind no race or colour has a monopoly on Soul it’s inside all human beings some more than others, if it’s good music it’s good music regardless of what nation you belong too It,s  the great equaliser what brings good souls together

KR

Mick Lyons

 

To be honest I do find some of the 'blue eyed' stuff leans more towards the 'pop' end of the spectrum, but there are some really good 45's also....Temptones on Arctic, Enchanters on Tee Pee etc.

Of the 20-ish biographies I covered in “Its Better To Cry”, I think 17 were white groups, with a couple of them carrying a black lead vocal. All of genuine northern interest and most ‘from’ the late or post Wigan period. 

 

8 hours ago, Sunnysoul said:

Except that Bill Millar makes the oft-repeated and wholly incorrect assumption that Ben Aiken (of Loma and Phily Groove fame) was white  ...

They keep mixing him up with Ben Atkins who was a white soul singer....

 

This thread gives me a chance to mention a great out and out Northern Soul dancer that I've just found, it's in the Tempests 'Someday' mode and it's by the Swingin' Medallions on their first LP. Track is 'M.T.Y.L.T.T' (More Today Than Yesterday) on Smash...check it out, it would go down a storm!