The 8Ts - A Barren Wasteland For Rare Soul ?.......or not ?

Timeless Legend

Wes Black

Mark iV

Ice

Kumano

To name the obvious........what else is out there waiting to raise the roof at a Nighter near you ?

Russ

it was all tartan and flicked hairstyles.

have you got nothing better to think of in Aghanisetc

it was all tartan and flicked hairstyles.

have you got nothing better to think of in Aghanisetc

I didnt think the thread was that bad mate.....but obviously everyone else agrees

too .............. !!!.

Russ

I think there was some of my fav.tracks released in the early 80`s like:

I was born to love ya-Timeless Legend.

Treasure mind-Traces of Smoke.

Let`s do it-Halo.

Few others that are up there:

You don`t want my love-K.I.C

Don`t listen to your friends-Samson and Delilah.

Come inside-Pleasure Seekers.

Think what`s it all about-Veda came out in the 80`s but doesn`t say on label.

Tons of GREAT 80s out there. You just got to look for them Russ!!!!!

No one is gonna play them for you, apart from the bleeding obvious ones......

Donn Thomas - How can I help but love you more,,,cracking 80's album track..

Paul.

Edited August 3, 201014 yr by pjs

Loads. But two obvious killers - Glenda McLeod and Jan Jones haven't been mentioned yet!!

Edited August 4, 201014 yr by son of stan

Fooking love the early 80s stuff Tolbert I got it , Curtis anderson the hardest part , Bill Spoon , Wes Black Tunnneeeeeeessssss

A few early/mid 80s tunes from my collection

Rideout-Someone special, Cania-Visions,Executive Force-Midnight lovin,24K Gold-What future holds, James Tuten-This is a love affair,Reachers-Do my own thing

The Reachers is 80's?!?! Really??? If so, it is THE best 80's tune I've heard...

think most are forgetting

fabulous playmates "dont turn your back on lovin/ i aint gonna be no fool" select

killer double sider recorded about 1981

dont know many who dont like that....

Edited August 6, 201014 yr by sigher the gutter snype

Same ole suggestions from me

J Blackfoot - Where Is love

Marlena Shaw - I Just Want this Feeling to Last

And is Luther's album track - I'll let you slide, 80s?

One that didnt really seem to catch on, as its a bit lightweight for a niter i gues was Windjammer - Tossin' and turnin'

Edited August 6, 201014 yr by in town Mikey

Here some I really like:

Alfie Capers Lady Be Good to Yourself Capers 1981

Haith Harris Show Me The Way Master-Mix 1985

Kiara No Luck Canon 1985

Direct Pressure Let Me Love You Future Electirc 1983

Clifton Dyson I'm Giving Up QS 1980

Barbara Carr Messing With Your Mind Bar-Car 1985

Charles Sherrell Things That You Do For Love Muscle 1981

Frank and James How Long Is Forever Smooth City 1982

J J Johnson Don't you Go Away TCC 1985

Charles Blackman Special Part Of Me PFJ 1989

Roney Canada I Don't Believe It AJ's - 1987

Edited August 6, 201014 yr by John Reed

Just squeezes into the 80's Frankie Sanders - Take Another Look, 1981.

The Reachers is 80's?!?! Really??? If so, it is THE best 80's tune I've heard...

yes, 1983 according to the label. Another goodie is Family of Eve - Please be truthful. Doesn't state any year on the label but the flipside sounds very 80s IMO.

yes, 1983 according to the label. Another goodie is Family of Eve - Please be truthful. Doesn't state any year on the label but the flipside sounds very 80s IMO.

The Reachers doesn't have any dates on the label as far as I know. I'm sure it was around from even before the early 'modern scene' days: maybe even a late Mecca record.

Edited August 6, 201014 yr by garethx

The Reachers doesn't have any dates on the label as far as I know. I'm sure it was around from the even before the early 'modern scene' days: maybe even a late Mecca record.

here's a scan from evil bay, no date...

MISS LOUISTINE I DON'T WANT TO LOVE NOBODY BUT YOU

I'm afraid I'm guilty of not really buying any 80s soul since the 1980s themselves. All the way through until about 88-9 I used to buy at least a couple of new releases every week from Soul Bowl, Record Corner and later Voices. From about that point on either the quality dropped or I just became jaded with the sound.

However I would love to hear more rare 80s that I haven't heard before. The problem is where to hear it. I've heard Butch play a couple of amazing 80s-sounding things at his non-allnighter gigs in the last few years and I'm sure it's an under-tapped resource of good soul music. I'm afraid I don't personally have the courage to buy obscure 80s things without having heard them first.

Edited August 6, 201014 yr by garethx

Pop in to my youtube channel.... Plenty of decent 80's

Click this link ModernSoulClassics you tube channel

some random good 80s sweet soul:

gil billingsley - i'm just me

majestics - key to love (flip is the first rap record from milwaukee)

merger - i wanna be your man

tomorrow's edition - million dollars (much better than the soul generation original and from 1989)

C# Sharp - my turn to shine

terra firma band - dreams

both brilliance records on touch and go

The 8Ts - A Barren Wasteland For Rare Soul ?.......or not ?

Timeless Legend

Wes Black

Mark iV

Ice

Kumano

To name the obvious........what else is out there waiting to raise the roof at a Nighter near you ?

Russ

The quality of soul output in 80's compared to 60's and 70's, and then 90's, 2000's was very poor, and whilst there were some great tunes, they were few and very far between amongst the mostly dreadful synth productions that the decade was obsessed with. Easily the worst decade for real soul during the past 50 years.....

The 80's....no proper soul music and Thatcher.... thank God for Stafford and the 100 Club.....

The quality of soul output in 80's compared to 60's and 70's, and then 90's, 2000's was very poor, and whilst there were some great tunes, they were few and very far between amongst the mostly dreadful synth productions that the decade was obsessed with. Easily the worst decade for real soul during the past 50 years.....

The 80's....no proper soul music and Thatcher.... thank God for Stafford and the 100 Club.....

Hi Cliff

Pitty the Thatcher tune wasn't deleted on release, but things weren't that bad at least we had these:

Al James & The New Rhythm Band Give Me Up Turn Me Loose Alocis

Al Mason Good Lovin' Fynal Vynal

New Way Holding On Prestige

Tyrone Thomas You're Hardly Gone Polydor

California Exxcutives I Don't Know Why Williams

La Voyage Never Lookin' Back Trans A

Clay Hammond Part Time Versepto

La' Que This Ole Heart Walking Tall

Leroy Charlton I Need You CC7

Chuck Jackson How Long Have You Been Loving Me Carolina

Chuck Roberson I've Got To Have Your Love Bluesong

Jay Player Love Is The Answer Bevnick

Johnny Taylor What About My Love Beverley Glen

Alex Taylor Slowly Turning To Love Best

Garfield Flemming Don't Send Me Away Becket

Bridge Baby Don't Hold Your Love Back Atlantic

Goldie Alexander Go Back Arista

First Horizon I Need To Know (That You Care) Freko

Bobby Jonz I Thought You We're Loving Me Expansion

Carl Sims 17 Days Of Loving You Edge

The Kapp Ivory Project It's Over Det Mi

David Sea Night After Night Crown Ltd

The DMX Affair One Time To Make It Right Creative FunK

Randy Brown Thing That I Could Do For You Chocolate City

Motherfox Fallen Into Love Shabang

Tab Walton Love Me (The Way I Love You) Oriole

etc,etc,etc

Plus a recent discoveries , Arthur Foy Love Games MCS 1980

David Hudson The Royal Sessions Soul Junction (shameless plug I Know)

We have may have lost our jobs time after time, we never lost our Soul

Dave

Edited August 7, 201014 yr by Louise

The Reachers doesn't have any dates on the label as far as I know. I'm sure it was around from even before the early 'modern scene' days: maybe even a late Mecca record.

You're right, no date on the label. I wrote 1983 on the sleeve but can't remember where I got that info from. I think either from the delta no or didn't one of the recently auctioned test presses have a date on the label?

Nobody done Terry Callier - I don't want to see myself (Erect 12") yet? '82 I think without checking

How about Sir - Prize - Never Can Find The Words on Budwieser???

Rare as rocking horse poo ( only around 8 copies known ) & one of the most Soulful records ever made.

the reachers is from 1977 according to the delta stamp. while from 83 onward the synth ran riot in most productions some still sound good to these ears but lots havent stood the test of time. i will always have a soft spot for willie collins, melisa morgan, atlantic starr `silver shadow etc

a few 80`s from me

curtis anderson - hardest part

g c cameron - wait until tomorrow

magee - now that i have you

j w magee - over and over

lonnie smith -galveston bay

dave

Charles Johnson - Never Had a Love So Good (Alston)

Thompson Brothers - You Brought Love Into My Life (WMOT)

Both these just crept into the 80s.

How about Sir - Prize - Never Can Find The Words on Budwieser???

Rare as rocking horse poo ( only around 8 copies known ) & one of the most Soulful records ever made.

[/qu Any idea on value these days???

Edited August 8, 201014 yr by NCFC

Any idea on value these days???

Gulp, Hardly ever comes up for sale & when it does it normally ends up in Europe in the hands of a Boogie collector. Would guess at about £500 but I'd want a hell of a lot more than that for mine.

Can't think of anyone else in the UK with a copy now apart from me.

Will be giving it a spin tomorrow night on Andy Jacksons Infiniti show on boundarysound if you wanna hear it.

Gulp, Hardly ever comes up for sale & when it does it normally ends up in Europe in the hands of a Boogie collector. Would guess at about £500 but I'd want a hell of a lot more than that for mine.

Can't think of anyone else in the UK with a copy now apart from me.

Will be giving it a spin tomorrow night on Andy Jacksons Infiniti show on boundarysound if you wanna hear it.

Well i have and i know of another, their are a lot of collecters who never go to soul events anymore.

You are right about being a great example of 80s soul.

Edited August 8, 201014 yr by NCFC

Well i have and i know of another, their are a lot of collecters who never go to soul events anymore.

You are right about being a great example of 80s soul.

Think you might be interested in this link.

https://www.danceclassics.net/images/Thumbs/pages/Sir-Prize.htm

Think you might be interested in this link.

https://www.danceclassics.net/images/Thumbs/pages/Sir-Prize.htm

There are a few on Popsike priced at well below £500.

i reckon there's more than 8 in the UK alone. Here's some of the one's I have left - https://www.independentmovement.co.uk/music/budweiser.htm

Think you might be interested in this link.

https://www.danceclassics.net/images/Thumbs/pages/Sir-Prize.htm

Rare record but more than 8 kicking about,quite a few more.

Following on from the Budweiser theme the Hotliners – Cold Hearted is a great dance tune.

This was the decade of the drum box and it did detract the soul element for quite a few tunes and IMO the better quality soul releases were either mid-tempo or ballads. The major labels IMO were also getting a bit samey and smaltzy, with the worst being Roberta Flack and Peabo Bryson - Tonight I Celebrate My Love.

The heart of Southern soul was still beating after lying dormant during the disco years with Malaco, Ichiban and other independents that Soul Bowl, Record corner, later Voices picked up and the UK based labels releasing/leasing new USD product throughout the 80's need to be given credit too.

Some more of my Favourites:

Randy Wilson – Something Inside – Regal (Patience – The other side was a Soul Sam spin)

Odyssey & Co – Whisper Away – Cam

Eric Rapier – Can't Stop Dreaming – Key Note

William Stuckey – Girl, You Got Me On The Run – ARTX

Trudy Lynn – Bring The Beef Home – Jam-Stone

Ed Cornelius – Love Making In Your Eyes – GB Int

Charles Wilson – Trying To Make A Wrong Thing Right – Alley Cat

Chuck Roberson – Cautious Love – Blue Song

Glaze – Promises – Rivertown

Millionaires – Don't Mess With My Love – Ardent

Tyrone Burrell – Memories – CFM

Pep Brown – This Good Thing That I've Got – Walden

Jimmy Taylor - Jealous(y) – RSP

Waters – What's On Your Mind – Water Wheel

James (JD) Wilkerson – Gotta Live Our Own Love Story – Aramus

Junie – You Must Go On – Pharoahs

J Reddick – When You Call My Name – Alcove

Randy Brown – Are You Lonely – 3 Way

Sonny Bey - Share Your Life - Morock

Harold Daniels – Don't Snatch It Back – Southern Tracks

Roosevelt Carter – All Night Love Affair – Ola

Stinger J – Pretty Face – Chance

Lee Morris' three Lee & Co singles – Weak Man, I Can't believe Your Loving Me & I Got Played On

Bobby Finch – Get A Hold Of Yourself - Bevnik

Lee Shot Williams - Every Man Loves A Woman - O'ona

Sammy (Acuna) - I Never Found a Girl - SLY

Side Show - You Are The One For Me - Trey

Sonny Holly - Cheating Aint Now Good - Cash Money

Roy C - She's Gone - 3 Gems

Phil Flowers - Stay A While - ICI

Larry Bufford - I Think I'm Gonna Be Blue - Watchman

Edited August 9, 201014 yr by John Reed

All great tunes listed so far, and I'm sure we could all list a good few more, but the majority of great 80's soul tunes were released '80, '81 and '82, and still held the production qualtities of the '70's. Compared to the soul output from any other decade it will always be a very small list.

I thought that there some really good tunes released in the 80s but agree that the use/overuse of the synth spoilt some tracks - Rufus Hunter is a great tune but slightly spoilt by the drum machine instead of real drums - the Billy Always and the Willie Hobbs tunes are among my all time favourites - I picked most of the following up from Record Corner late 80s - lots of great albums around then too. At work so these are off the top of my head which is a wee bit fuzzy this early in the day.

Billy Always Nothing but a heartache

Debbie S Try my love

Toney Fountaine Come back to me ( single and album both great)

Willie Hobbs Don't take it away

Rufus Hunter Just because I love you

Carl Sims 17 days

Rick Webb Sitting on your doorstep

David Dee - Sweet loving baby ( single and great blues tinged album)

Rhonda Clark - Sugar

Lee Morris - Weak man

Rene Hayes - Satisfaction ( single and decent album)

Some fantastic albums on Timeless by David Hudson,Lynn White , Willie Clayton and Warren Burris

Manus

Edited August 10, 201014 yr by manus

without lookght these were 80's

Airtight when it turns out that way

Horizon they dont make em like you no more?

i have a couple of others but have never really ventured into the 80's much as i could never get my head round those synth drums them)

mark

I think it would be interesting to hear more about hidden post 84 gems, such as The Fabulous Playmates and PJ City, which were both released in 1986. They retain that certain aesthetic, which made some of the great early 80's records mentioned above sound great. Here is one mid-pacer from 86, which I like:

First Horizon: I know that you care (Freko)

Edited August 11, 201014 yr by Demotron

Bobby Womack - So Many Sides Of You

Johnnie Taylor - Just Ain't Good Enough

Lots of excellent soul cut for Malaco in the 80's too....

Martin.

The 8Ts - A Barren Wasteland For Rare Soul ?.......or not ?

Timeless Legend

Wes Black

Mark iV

Ice

Kumano

To name the obvious........what else is out there waiting to raise the roof at a Nighter near you ?

Russ

Hey Russ!!

Great tune Wes Black...for me one of tunes of the year...

So rare soul on this current thread topic consists listing's of eighties artists, titles and labels - only, some not that rare. What no mention of any sixties or seventies" rare soul discoveries" - "during" the 1980's, a ten year spell. .

The 8Ts - A Barren Wasteland For Rare Soul ?.......or not ?

Not.

Got an eight page thread somewhere with over a hundred eighties venues listed.

Irritatingly though thanks to the new site layout, I can't find it. Grrr.

Not.

Got an eight page thread somewhere with over a hundred eighties venues listed.

Irritatingly though thanks to the new site layout, I can't find it. Grrr.

That thread was about the venues of the 80s and is completely irrelevant to this topic. Dredging it up would dereail this thread horribly so please don't.

Russ was asking which, if any, 80s records could become popular niter sounds today. Records made in the 1980s. While there are many such as Collins & Collins, Timeless Legend and so on which have already crossed over to the northern allnighter scene they did so when they were fresh-sounding and practically new releases.

The last few years have seen practically no 80s recorded soul records become big 'niter sounds with the exception of long-standing rarities like King Moses, Doc Peabody and Tolbert, which collectors were chasing for years anyway. Trophy records like those tend to get played out by deejays whenever acquired, regardless of their vintage.

Lots of people have mentioned records they themselves bought and listened to in the 80s. I did that and then edited the list out because I didn't feel upon reflection that it answered the question. I just can't see many the run-of-the-mill Soul Bowl-listed indies ever becoming 'rare soul' in a club context again, no matter how good some of them are as records.

I guess the kind of thing Russ was looking for were tips on obscurities and rarities which were not generally known at the time of their release, but which could now become popular if played by the right deejay. PJ City as mentioned by Demotron is a really good example and there must be at least a few dozen more. Problem is that those who would possess such knowledge are generally unwilling to share it on a public forum and who can blame them?

I'm sure Simon Murray, Karl Marthon and others have more than a few such sounds already under wraps and primed to take club dancefloors by storm.

Russ was asking which, if any, 80s records could become popular niter sounds today. Records made in the 1980s. While there are many such as Collins & Collins, Timeless Legend and so on which have already crossed over to the northern allnighter scene they did so when they were fresh-sounding and practically new releases.

Of course! Sorry should have known better. Smiling at the 'please don't' bit.

Clarence Carter anyone ..

Of course! Sorry should have known better. Smiling at the 'please don't' bit.

Clarence Carter anyone ..

Happy belated Birthday Mr. S.

The 8Ts - A Barren Wasteland For Rare Soul ?.......or not ?

what else is out there waiting to raise the roof at a Nighter near you ?

Who knows Russ - to your 2 parted question.

1. For those who embraced the rare modern scene and intergrated the new release major label artists at that time, it was never barren throughout that period.

2. As for the next 80's produced "rare roof lifter" - then there's nobody more scripted for that role than the current crop of jocks within that genre to produce. .

Lots of people have mentioned records they themselves bought and listened to in the 80s. I did that and then edited the list out because I didn't feel upon reflection that it answered the question. I just can't see many the run-of-the-mill Soul Bowl-listed indies ever becoming 'rare soul' in a club context again, no matter how good some of them are as records.

Problem is that those who would possess such knowledge are generally unwilling to share it on a public forum and who can blame them?

That thread was about the venues of the 80s and is completely irrelevant to this topic. Dredging it up would dereail this thread horribly so please don't.

Russ was asking which, if any, 80s records could become popular niter sounds today. Records made in the 1980s. While there are many such as Collins & Collins, Timeless Legend and so on which have already crossed over to the northern allnighter scene they did so when they were fresh-sounding and practically new releases.

The last few years have seen practically no 80s recorded soul records become big 'niter sounds with the exception of long-standing rarities like King Moses, Doc Peabody and Tolbert, which collectors were chasing for years anyway. Trophy records like those tend to get played out by deejays whenever acquired, regardless of their vintage.

Lots of people have mentioned records they themselves bought and listened to in the 80s. I did that and then edited the list out because I didn't feel upon reflection that it answered the question. I just can't see many the run-of-the-mill Soul Bowl-listed indies ever becoming 'rare soul' in a club context again, no matter how good some of them are as records.

I guess the kind of thing Russ was looking for were tips on obscurities and rarities which were not generally known at the time of their release, but which could now become popular if played by the right deejay. PJ City as mentioned by Demotron is a really good example and there must be at least a few dozen more. Problem is that those who would possess such knowledge are generally unwilling to share it on a public forum and who can blame them?

I'm sure Simon Murray, Karl Marthon and others have more than a few such sounds already under wraps and primed to take club dancefloors by storm.

Exactly right mate..........c'mon Simon & Karl wet our appetites .

Russ

Who knows Russ - to your 2 parted question.

1. For those who embraced the rare modern scene and intergrated the new release major label artists at that time, it was never barren throughout that period.

2. As for the next 80's produced "rare roof lifter" - then there's nobody more scripted for that role than the current crop of jocks within that genre to produce. .

I agree Nick..........would be nice to hear some recommendations though, I appreciated what I heard at the time & since, but they'll be some whoppers out there that the great unwashed (me ) havnt heard yet............the thread was also to stimulate debate on ts soul.

Thanks for all the contributions so far...........

Russ