John Manship Auction Results 25-2-2015

[Labeat]

A few years back we had an Allnighter at the Wilton, it was promoted with the emphasis on all the invited

dj's being collectors only; what a refreshing night that made.... no ego's, just lads over the moon being

able to play their sets. Iv'e not come across anything similar since.

COME ON YOU PROMOTERS.... food for thought

[Chalky]

Fully get what you're saying Chalky,but there's only a few who can pull out the true unknowns.Now if you're talking forgotten/lesser played,there's still some trying to plough a furrow.These tend to be dj's down the pecking order,who with nothing to lose,try to put their own stamp on proceedings.All is not lost yet.!!

 

I said imagination.  Dunno why people assume it to mean unknowns?

[KevH]

I said imagination.  Dunno why people assume it to mean unknowns?

 

You said does anyone play unknowns.Just throwing my bit in.Not arguing ya grumpy git.

[Steve G]

It's all part of the joke circus that has taken over as commercialism has killed the scene.

 

Overpriced records, bootlegs galore, coffee mugs, tourists, plays about the Wizard of Oz, dance lessons, DVDs full of self import ant talking heads, flash mobs, retro wear, unimaginative playlists, weekender anthems, soul nights everywhere, more DJs than punters, people that don't know anything craving their five minutes of fame, emperors new clothes the list goes on. All so very far away from where the scene that should be. 

 

But there's no guarantee that the overpriced Al Williams didn't go to a collector that none of us know, we're all assuming it was going to a DJ, it might not be.

 

For the record my Al Williams is a LaBeat WD. Mint. 

Edited February 27, 2015 by Steve G

[Mellorful]

Does anyone play unknowns?  The lack of imagination goes right through the scene and extends to the so called rare or upfront side of the scene, its full of hotboxers chasing the what others are playing rather than seek out something for themselves.

 

As I said I am not slagging anyone off.  I am bemoaning the fact that imagination is frowned upon, by promoters especially but by DJ's afraid of any negative criticism and the though of losing bookings because of it.  It is detrimental to any music scene as it ends up completely retro, forever looking back rather than forward.  It really should be the best of times musically nowadays but it really is stale and backwards looking.  This is evident in the records that are indemand and the pices they achieve at times.

 

What are people supposed to do, not say anything that would appear critical, are people not allowed to voice their opinion just because one or two don't like to hear it?  Far more appear to agree with what I have said than not.

I cant disagree with you.

At the big events imagination is not always recognised or appreciated in the main room but often the second room the DJ's get some latitude. A few months ago at New Century Soul I went into the second room when 70's tunes were being played in main room and there you was spinning Sharpees - take me to your leader.  Stayed there until the end of your set.

Its sometimes the forgotten tunes that I like to hear and they dont have to be expensive; cant remember the last time I heard Olympics played out = baby do the philly dog or secret agents, in contrast every Friday and Saturday a DJ's insists on playing 'Stanky'  AND THEY FILL THE BLOODY DANCEFLOOR; I might have to have a labotomy and so I can join in.

I don't hear the Del Larks = Job Opening at many events period - I wonder why?

[Chalky]

You said does anyone play unknowns.Just throwing my bit in.Not arguing ya grumpy git.

 

That was question in response to one of Nev's comments not a suggestion from me.     see ya tomorrow

Edited February 27, 2015 by chalky

[Pete S]

 

If you were a promoter and I came up to you with a box which contained Gwen Owens, Eddie Parker, Al Williams and Mello Souls, I bet you'd give me a spot..because with those records, I MUST know what I'm doing 

 

BUT...and this is something worth pondering over - if I walked in with the same box but it contained PRESSINGS of those four records, I'd be accused  of being a div 

[Mrtag]

 

I don't hear the Del Larks = Job Opening at many events period - I wonder why?

 

Just maybe, there ain't that many DJ's have it to play!! (a proper one that is!!)

Edited February 27, 2015 by mrtag

[Wiganer1]

if you attend allniters you will hear job opening most weeks

[Quinvy]

Just to throw a spanner in the works. Getting Dj spots has nothing to do with the quality of records a person owns, it's whether your face fits and how much you are prepared to tell everyone how good you are on social media.

 

I know lot's of people who own fantastic records that never Dj, and I know many more who have bugger all to offer yet are lauded by their mates as being something special.

 

There are a select few who are everywhere, like s**t in a field. They promote themselves endlessly on Facebook.

[Mellorful]

if you attend allniters you will hear job opening most weeks

I do attend allnighters, once the 70's and crossover start to get played I lose interest and spend time in the second room (if available), 30 minutes of 70's and no second room I'm thinking of looking for the exit. If I have exited main room and following a bout of 70's and the dj drops in Del Larks then I would probably miss it and could explain why I only hear every couple of months. 

My next allnighter will be Carls Birthday bash so will possibly hear it then, will anyone be spinning it at Prestatyn in the main room?

[Mellorful]

Just to throw a spanner in the works. Getting Dj spots has nothing to do with the quality of records a person owns, it's whether your face fits and how much you are prepared to tell everyone how good you are on social media.

 

I know lot's of people who own fantastic records that never Dj, and I know many more who have bugger all to offer yet are lauded by their mates as being something special.

 

There are a select few who are everywhere, like s**t in a field. They promote themselves endlessly on Facebook.

You have a lovely way of describing the undescribable.

Until this week I wasn't on face-ache so any self promotion would be lost on me; then this week I broke my quill, ran out of ink and parchment so joined FB but still dont know how to use it. I'm easy to find on FB - Billy no mates

I will might need to be careful on FB to avoid stepping into the afore mentioned 'S**t in the field', how do you identify steaming smelly areas and avoid it in the dark when the winds behind you?

Atb

Stu

[Steve G]

 will anyone be spinning it at Prestatyn in the main room?

 

We usually keep count of how many times it gets played.

[Mellorful]

We usually keep count of how many times it gets played.

What was last years tally?

So I can do a little planning which DJ's in main room are likely to spin it?

[Steve G]

8 times - I wasn't there last year but was reliably informed…

[Shsdave]

8 times - I wasn't there last year but was reliably informed…

 

Ha Ha you can always play that game Steve with whatever sounds are in vogue. A few years back when you couldn't move for Dottie & fucking Millie i heard it in 3 consecutive sets, think it was the afternoon club feature. I'm sure throughout the weekend it easily exceeded 8 plays. 

[Labeat]

Which record are we on with now?

[Harrythedog]

Why does anyone get ready and go out to listen to records they used to listen to 30-40 years ago. About the only place i will make an effort to is Empty Bottles at Leeds. Uptempo 60,s which have been bypassed over the years. This is how it should be, fresh exciting and new again. Pat Brady did a spot last year and just didnt understand the place, he played the usual big ticket records and we were bored to tears. This place has ripped up the rule book, it doesnt need big name djs, it doesnt need big ticket records , its just a sweaty shit hole-like it used to be when we first started. Fresh and exciting again. 

[Guest]

It's all part of the joke circus that has taken over as commercialism has killed the scene.

 

Overpriced records, bootlegs galore, coffee mugs, tourists, plays about the Wizard of Oz, dance lessons, DVDs full of self import ant talking heads, flash mobs, retro wear, unimaginative playlists, weekender anthems, soul nights everywhere, more DJs than punters, people that don't know anything craving their five minutes of fame, emperors new clothes the list goes on. All so very far away from where the scene that should be. 

 

 

I could not agree more with this, it's so true!

 

We can not put the genie back in the bottle, but really the rot started in the late 90's early 2000 when loads of people got computers.

 Most of them, up till then, didn't know there was a Northern Soul scene going on.

They all came back on the scene and diluted it down.

They could not dj before because the hardly knew anything, but the internet has told them everything they need to know. 

History of the scene, which records to play, how to buy originals, etc!  It's not the same scene as it was before the internet!  You don't need to have the same level of commitment, to be part of it these days!

[NEV]

I could not agree more with this, it's so true!

 

We caI not put the genie back in the bottle, but really the rot started in the late 90's early 2000 when loads of people got computers.

 Most of them, up till then, didn't know there was a Northern Soul scene going on.

They all came back on the scene and diluted it down.

They could not dj before because the hardly knew anything, but the internet has told them everything they need to know. 

History of the scene, which records to play, how to buy originals, etc!  It's not the same scene as it was before the internet!  You don't need to have the same level of commitment, to be part of it these days!

He forgot to mention the "young people " with their desire to want to be part of the " dinosaur " orientated circus !

Haven forbid ,why on earth would anyone who still lives at home ,can stay up till 5am without drugs ,wanna be Mixing it up with a bunch of old farts ,moving to music like a bunch of characters from the" walking dead " ...beats me

[Labeat]

If you are serious about your Soul music then you can choose where you want to go, venue wise. The commercial side of the scene can be largely ignored if you so wish, there will always be an underground scene and long may it last!

[Ben Owen]

Just to throw a spanner in the works. Getting Dj spots has nothing to do with the quality of records a person owns, it's whether your face fits and how much you are prepared to tell everyone how good you are on social media.

 

I know lot's of people who own fantastic records that never Dj, and I know many more who have bugger all to offer yet are lauded by their mates as being something special.

 

There are a select few who are everywhere, like s**t in a field. They promote themselves endlessly on Facebook.

Agree'd put it perfectly.