What's the going rate for a good copy?

£500 if you are lucky enough to find one. A recent one auctioned for $850 plus, went unclaimed, then sold again for a bit less.

Cheers Frankie 

December on ebay it sold for over $900

https://www.ebay.com/itm/181961588189?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

It was £300 or so when there was a few copies about.  I remember Andy Dyson getting a few and they went straight away.  If he has had any since it is the odd copy only, quite scarce now.

 

Cheers Chalky

58 minutes ago, chalky said:

December on ebay it sold for over $900

https://www.ebay.com/itm/181961588189?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

It was £300 or so when there was a few copies about.  I remember Andy Dyson getting a few and they went straight away.  If he has had any since it is the odd copy only, quite scarce now.

 

$900 madness I had a few copies sold them all for about £250 each

40 minutes ago, phil shields said:

$900 madness I had a few copies sold them all for about £250 each

when was that Phil?  Andy had a handful but virtually nothing since, all keepers in collections.  In demand again as well.

A lovely record for sure. Profound lyrics which really resonate with me - particularly given the work I do. Lots of people are one pay cheque from the gutter.

Peter

44 minutes ago, phil shields said:

$900 madness I had a few copies sold them all for about £250 each

No, sensible spending on a really good, very scarce record. As an early unknown sound a decade ago, £250 was a real bargain. Today, with demand greatly exceeding supply, whatever it takes to secure a copy is a wise outlay.

sold the last copy about 5 years ago

been on ebay about a dozen times in the last 10 yrs... it seems looking at popsike tho between 2007 and 2009 the same guy sold a few copies... probably had some albeit small stock of it.. all promos.. might be where some uk/euro guys got theirs from thru private deals ... not been many since tho  but as stated same guy listed 2 very recently..doesnt say anything about not been paid for tho

Was this release AFTER their Mir-A-Don and M.B.S. releases, or before?

25 minutes ago, RobbK said:

Was this release AFTER their Mir-A-Don and M.B.S. releases, or before?

I always thought that it was after... but my thoughts are only based on thoughts and so are is not always accurate. It sounds rather '67 or '69 while the Mir-A-Don stuffs are '65 or '66. 

Certainly after the Mir-A-Don, M.B.S. releases.  Crazy Cajun production so would put it around the same time as the Crazy Cajun lp.  Someone said it was supposed to be on the LP, dunno how true that is?

Is it the same group, I didnt think it was, the Mir a Don/Crazy Cajun group...

 

3 hours ago, tlscapital said:

I always thought that it was after... but my thoughts are only based on thoughts and so are is not always accurate. It sounds rather '67 or '69 while the Mir-A-Don stuffs are '65 or '66.

It may have been recorded earlier (?), but wasnt released until the late 7ts....

Edited February 28, 20169 yr by Russ Vickers

1 minute ago, Russ Vickers said:

Is it the same group, I didnt think it was, the Ascot/Crazy Cajun group...

 

Talmadge Armstrong is one the credits of Few Feet so I would imaging the same group, especially with it being a Crazy Cajun production.

Was Talmadge Armstrong in the Mir a Don, MBS Ascots group...???...sorry if im being thick...

 

I would assume Tal-Fran music is/or part Talmadge?

Would have thought too that Ascots on Miradon were a different nyc based group, American Playboy and Spindletop all Texas based labels.

 

Edited February 28, 20169 yr by Marc Forrest

Patty Stokes was also Tal-Fran produced so maybe just a name coincedence ?

Maybe Marc...as you say Am. Playboy and Spindletop the same group, Mir-A-Don, dunno.

Always wondered why this didn't make their Lp, was it recorded before that came out? 

Actually 'colour me soul' says something like 1978 if I remember right, but I always thought the tracks on that lp were allot earlier....

Edited February 28, 20169 yr by Mal C

First off apologies to the starter of the thread & feel free to ask the mods to move this post???

But I do think this has some relevance? Am I the only one who doesn't like this?When I hear it out it rams the floor & everyone round me seems to be drooling over it & I just think it's bland at best..........I could be a lot harsher but it's Sunday???

Cheers

Martyn

You are free to like and dislike what you want mate, I love it, but then I'm not really interested in going out much, doesn't strike me as a dance floor record, more radio / armchair...

Just now, Mal C said:

You are free to like and dislike what you want mate, I love it, but then I'm not really interested in going out much, doesn't strike me as a dance floor record, more radio / armchair...

Mal

This is my problem with my post on the thread it could possibly side track the original posters question(sorry)........but as we're here

You want to see the looks when I make my less then complementary comments about it when it come on at a "do",you'd have thought I'd fed Bambi to the big bad wolf 

I think it been a radio records would improve it............a bit of static & loss of wave length would be a great improvement 

Cheers

Martyn

35 minutes ago, hullsoul said:

First off apologies to the starter of the thread & feel free to ask the mods to move this post???

But I do think this has some relevance? Am I the only one who doesn't like this?When I hear it out it rams the floor & everyone round me seems to be drooling over it & I just think it's bland at best..........I could be a lot harsher but it's Sunday???

Cheers

Martyn

Hi Martyn. Each to his own. Great tune whether on the dancefloor or in the living room. Not all soul records are equally great so there's a time and place for listening to whatever suits. When I was at Tufnell Park over a year back at the Keb Darge charity do, it got me onto the floor pretty quickly. After that it went onto the wants list. I bid very high on the copy in Japan but was narrowly beaten: the auction winner failed to pay and was sent notification that the record was up for sale again. By now though, I'd blown the dosh on a People's Choice on Palmer plus a few other items... still feel pretty sick about this...

Any info on who were members of the Ascots on Miradon and MBS? Have them down as from Cincinnati, Ohio, or the label at least?

Edited February 28, 20169 yr by chalky

Just had a browse through the odd book, Archie Powell who also recorded on Miradon and later with the Presidents on Sussex a member of the group on Miradon.  So definitely two different groups.

Edited February 28, 20169 yr by chalky

Did the differerent Ascots on Miradon morph into the Presidents? Then Anacostia i think.

Texas Ascots included Tal Armstrong and James Kelly Duhon i believe.

 

Tricky

8 minutes ago, FRANKIE CROCKER said:

Hi Martyn. Each to his own. Great tune whether on the dancefloor or in the living room. Not all soul records are equally great so there's a time and place for listening to whatever suits. When I was at Tufnell Park over a year back at the Keb Darge charity do, it got me onto the floor pretty quickly. After that it went onto the wants list. I bid very high on the copy in Japan but was narrowly beaten: the auction winner failed to pay and was sent notification that the record was up for sale again. By now though, I'd blown the dosh on a People's Choice on Palmer plus a few other items... still feel pretty sick about this...

Hey Up

As we all know likes & dislikes are the the lifeblood of the scene & drives the next new sound but so far this is a tune I find I'm in such a minority (obviously everyone's wrong & I'm right ).I was just wondering if I could find some others in my gang but it looks like I'm Billy No Mates............again 

I was with Tony Hatfield when he bought his at York Soul Club all-dayer a few years ago & he paid what I thought was way over the top for it,looks a bargain now?

Cheers

Martyn

Cheers

Martyn

1 hour ago, Mal C said:

Always wondered why this didn't make their Lp, was it recorded before that came out? 

Actually 'colour me soul' says something like 1978 if I remember right, but I always thought the tracks on that lp were allot earlier....

Just looked at the Lp mentions 'Few Feet from the Gutter' in the sleeve notes, so thats definitive.  The Ascots from Texas are: Talmadge Armstrong, A.C Gillroy, and James 'Kelly' Duhon. With Arrangement / lyrics from Ken Johnson, production from Huey P. Maeux.

Lp released in 78, I personally recon these tracks could have been in the 'can' for some time, they deffo sound earlier to me.

Malcolm

Phewww I was pretty certain these were different groups.

The MBS Ascots is a Miradon production, so the same group as on Miradon, I also assume the Ascots on J&S - What Love Can Do - are the same group as as on Mir a Don, as they are NYC based.

For information, James Kelly Duhon - Graveyard Creep/Talmadge Armstrong - Color Me Soul, both from the Crazy Cajun LP, came out on Jetstream also, one on one side, one on the the t'other of the same 45.

Russ

Soul Discography, a follow on from R&B Indies has the label as Cincinnati, Ohio but there is nothing in R&B Indies apart from Solid Soul in brackets under the label name and nothing on the Ohio Soul Recordings site.  MBS definitely New York though.

Edited February 28, 20169 yr by chalky

The members according to Discogs are Archie Powell, Eddie Powell, Irving Haywood, Jerome Powell and are from Washington DC.

These are the Mir-A-Don guys ... Archie Powell is in the middle

Andy

Brilliant photo Andy, thanks for posting it.  Hope you are well BTW.

Best Russ

A few feet from the gutter is a record I have had for a very long time, I regard it as a £300 record, when playing it out last year I was tempted by an offer of £600 but did not sell, so in todays crazy market $900 may be right.

Regards

Dave

6 hours ago, Russ Vickers said:

Phewww I was pretty certain these were different groups.

The MBS Ascots is a Miradon production, so the same group as on Miradon, I also assume the Ascots on J&S - What Love Can Do - are the same group as as on Mir a Don, as they are NYC based.

For information, James Kelly Duhon - Graveyard Creep/Talmadge Armstrong - Color Me Soul, both from the Crazy Cajun LP, came out on Jetstream also, one on one side, one on the the t'other of the same 45.

Russ

slightly different cut on Graveyard Creep though Russ, when I eventually got the 45, I noticed a distinct lack of banshee whaling, as apposed to the LP cut... you need the Banshee in full effect I think :-))

Edited February 28, 20169 yr by Mal C

17 hours ago, Bento said:

A few feet from the gutter is a record I have had for a very long time, I regard it as a £300 record, when playing it out last year I was tempted by an offer of £600 but did not sell, so in todays crazy market $900 may be right.

Regards

Dave

I was pretty lucky with mine too mate, had it for years & paid £200....FAB record tho innit...

On ‎28‎/‎02‎/‎2016 at 11:30, hullsoul said:

First off apologies to the starter of the thread & feel free to ask the mods to move this post???

But I do think this has some relevance? Am I the only one who doesn't like this?When I hear it out it rams the floor & everyone round me seems to be drooling over it & I just think it's bland at best..........I could be a lot harsher but it's Sunday???

Cheers

Martyn

No worries at all Martyn - would be a dull world if we all liked the same thing ;)

 

Dave

23 hours ago, Andy Rix said:

These are the Mir-A-Don guys ... Archie Powell is in the middle

Andy

Are these then the same guys who recorded this?

On 28 February 2016 at 12:40, Mal C said:

Just looked at the Lp mentions 'Few Feet from the Gutter' in the sleeve notes, so thats definitive.  The Ascots from Texas are: Talmadge Armstrong, A.C Gillroy, and James 'Kelly' Duhon. With Arrangement / lyrics from Ken Johnson, production from Huey P. Maeux.

Lp released in 78, I personally recon these tracks could have been in the 'can' for some time, they deffo sound earlier to me.

Malcolm

Theory - tax avoidance/reclaim LP. Possibly had to remove FFFTG for royalty purposes.?

Edited February 29, 20169 yr by KevH

22 hours ago, KevH said:

Theory - tax avoidance/reclaim LP. Possibly had to remove FFFTG for royalty purposes.?

Best theory Ive heard Kev.. re royalty purposes, assume you mean to the writers not publishers?

FFFTG credits Ken Johnson / Talmadge Armstrong as writers, and the Lp only has one writing credit for 'The Graveyard Creep' that song being the only other track that gained a 45 release... there are no writing credits on any of the other songs on that Lp...

the plot thickens... :-))

Edited March 1, 20169 yr by Mal C

Both American Playboy and Crazy Cajun owned by Huey P Meaux.  FFFTG is a Crazy Cajun production.

If you read the reverse of the Color Me Soul lp full credits are given, lyrics, producer etc.....

Credits are given on the American Playboy release.  Given that credits are given on the Lp and the 45 that would dispel the royalties theory.  Whether any paid or not is another matter.

Edited March 1, 20169 yr by chalky

Never knew James Kelly Duhon was in this line up. 

Two faves are 'In school' and 'Pusherman'.

Great thread.

Whether anything was dodgy or not with his artist and labels, Huey certainly led a dodgy life away from music......

In 1996, a police raid of his office turned up thousands of Polaroids and videos of girls, mostly underage, in sexual situations. Meaux plead guilty to two counts of sexual assault of a child, a drug possession charge, a child pornography charge and another for jumping bail and briefly fleeing to Juárez, Mexico. He was sentenced to 15 years in prison and was released in 2007

Can anybody tell me how to pronounce James Kelly Duhon, is it Doon? or Doo Hon?

54 minutes ago, sjclement said:

Can anybody tell me how to pronounce James Kelly Duhon, is it Doon? or Doo Hon?

Sadly, I've thought this whenever I've seen it

On 01 March 2016 at 19:38, chalky said:

If you read the reverse of the Color Me Soul lp full credits are given, lyrics, producer etc.....

Credits are given on the American Playboy release.  Given that credits are given on the Lp and the 45 that would dispel the royalties theory.  Whether any paid or not is another matter.

I was talking of the omission of FFFTG.Maybe thats why it was not included,not credits in general.

As you know,tax could be claimed back on studio time.

A possiblity that this LP could have been released to claim back tax.?

Edited March 3, 20169 yr by KevH

2 hours ago, KevH said:

I was talking of the omission of FFFTG.Maybe thats why it was not included,not credits in general.

As you know,tax could be claimed back on studio time.

A possiblity that this LP could have been released to claim back tax.?

Yes I understand you were referring to the ommission.  Would tax on studio time be payable by American Playboy though and not Crazy Cajun even though Crazy Cajun was the parent company? Besides dont the artists pay the studio time from sales, dependant on the contract of course. It is a minefield with nothing seemingly straight forward  

The ommission does seem strange though after it is referenced by Beth & Jimmy whoever they are? Maybe only ten tracks were allowed?

When was FFFTG released?  Are there any issues, all scans I can find are DJ copies.