The other day whilst looking for a certain record out of my collection,  I came across The Wrong Side of Town  by The Four Vandals ( Steve Brookstein).  I had bought it a few years ago when it was one of the most requested records played out on the scene.  I put it on my turntable and thought to myself, you know what,  this ain't a bad record. I think over the years we have all read of the deception by Ian Levine, but I do think that now is the time to give it a spin again.what do you think( and no swearing ) Rod

Edited February 8, 201411 yr by Rodders22

Racking my brains here over another one Levine championed for a time at the Rocket. I have it on a CD I can't find and it's doing my head in. It's on that CD 'Not Earthy Enough: Sound of the Rocket'. Anyone got a track listing?

 

 

Edit: Just remembered it - Jim Gilstrap - Run Run Run

Edited February 13, 201411 yr by Matt Male

Racking my brains here over another one Levine championed for a time at the Rocket. I have it on a CD I can't find and it's doing my head in. It's on that CD 'Not Earthy Enough: Sound of the Rocket'. Anyone got a track listing?

 

 

Edit: Just remembered it - Jim Gilstrap - Run Run Run

 

That was on Bell, not a Levine production….pretty good record from c 1972 ish.

That was on Bell, not a Levine production….pretty good record from c 1972 ish.

 

 

Yes that's the one Steve, I knew it wasn't one of Levines, it is pretty rare though isn't it? Didn't he sell his on to Tim Brown or something?

Could be a typo..

 

Should read Aberration - an abominable record that should never have pressed let alone played in public...

Only thing wrong with that is it also refers to good Northern Soul records. But i can relate to the people that like this record (i have my own hates, Murial Day and The Poppies to name but 2 and i would rank TWST higher than these). But each to their own.

Yes that's the one Steve, I knew it wasn't one of Levines, it is pretty rare though isn't it? Didn't he sell his on to Tim Brown or something?

 

Yes Brown got it. When he was selling up some years ago, I was the second person in there after Tim, and it had already gone.   Still after it as it happens....

The thread prompted me to seek out Curtis Mayfield , The other side of town.  on a 45 , just bought it for £ 2.55.on e bay , made my night !

every one hates it, it seems......................so anybody selling one ?

every one hates it, it seems......................so anybody selling one ?

It appears not - they're like Gary Glitter LP's as there's no point trying to sell them and you couldn't persuade anyone to take them off you for nothing...

It appears not - they're like Gary Glitter LP's as there's no point trying to sell them and you couldn't persuade anyone to take them off you for nothing...

'Makes you Blind'

Yes Brown got it. When he was selling up some years ago, I was the second person in there after Tim, and it had already gone.   Still after it as it happens....

Resides in this household

Resides in this household

 

Well please bear me in mind when you get bored with it….

Resides in this household

Hi Julian, did I ever get the the CD from the last Soul At The Mill Charity Do to you, Your pick, RUN RUN RUN -JIM GILSTRAP  one of the best tracks, and so bloody RARE. Give me a shout and I'll send one on to you.   Rod Clegg 

I really like "Wrong side of town" ever since it came out well over 10 years ago. Nice lyrics. Excellent vocals. Catchy melody. Is it Northern to me? Yes and No to a certain degree. Certainly no upfront Rare Soul material.

 

What I dislike about it and what still leaves a pretty sour taste in my mouth is the scam that IL tried to pull back then. Bullshit stories like "first ever copy found back in 1971 got broken when some famous name sat on it on a bus to the Mecca". Selling a copy to Ginger for a 4 figure sum. etc. etc. That's basically why I never bought a vinyl copy of it. I don't want a record in my collection with such a history.

 

And finally I said it back then when it came out and I say it again now: Anyone who doesn't hear it's a new production, you're probably deaf.

Yes I think so…..and James Wells both made in the 70s.

and JJ Barnes - Talk of the Grapevine - Great track it is too.

Hey Benji, If Levine hadn't tried to deceive the northern crowd, he would have got a lot more credit for the actual record content.

he didn't so here we are now with 166 Shouts, I will say one thing thou ! The Northern scene without these bods wouldn't be the same, and we wouldn't have anything to talk about. Rod

Hey Benji, If Levine hadn't tried to deceive the northern crowd, he would have got a lot more credit for the actual record content.

he didn't so here we are now with 166 Shouts, I will say one thing thou ! The Northern scene without these bods wouldn't be the same, and we wouldn't have anything to talk about. Rod

Hi Rod - the Northern scene would be better without these 'bods' and there would be a lot more positive things to talk about such a high quality rarities unearthed by hard working collectors and DJ's...

disagree frankie ...ian is still discovering/reactivating  some great 60s & 70s pieces ...

every one hates it, it seems......................so anybody selling one ?

 

I can sell you one if you like..

Hi Rod - the Northern scene would be better without these 'bods' and there would be a lot more positive things to talk about such a high quality rarities unearthed by hard working collectors and DJ's...

Hi Frankie, I still think they played a part in our Music Scene (Good or Bad), and I would like to think we are all a bit wiser now. So let's all move forward ,if we can. Rod 

Edited February 20, 201411 yr by Rodders22

It appears not - they're like Gary Glitter LP's as there's no point trying to sell them and you couldn't persuade anyone to take them off you for nothing...

well I would be happy to take one much better than a gary glitter LP! ;-)

well I would be happy to take one much better than a gary glitter LP! ;-)

 

I like Gary Glitter, not the man, but when those singles came out, the early ones were great to a 12 / 13 year old kid.  Did a podcast recently and put Rock n Roll Pt 2 on, no complaints!

well I would be happy to take one much better than a gary glitter LP! ;-)

 

 

I like Gary Glitter records. I think it's shameful that Mike Leander's productions are being excised from pop history along with the work of the musicians that played on them.

I like Gary Glitter, not the man, but when those singles came out, the early ones were great to a 12 / 13 year old kid.  Did a podcast recently and put Rock n Roll Pt 2 on, no complaints!

 

Snap!

I like Gary Glitter, not the man, but when those singles came out, the early ones were great to a 12 / 13 year old kid.  Did a podcast recently and put Rock n Roll Pt 2 on, no complaints!

My Mum loved Gary Glitter and I remember the glitter band Lp being all over the place when I was about 13 I think ...come on , come on, come on come,on come on come on ,,,,,I said ! lol

I like Gary Glitter records. I think it's shameful that Mike Leander's productions are being excised from pop history along with the work of the musicians that played on them.

 

Very true.

Did you ever hear the version of "Put it where you want it" by Hot Rocks on UK Bell?  Version of The Crusaders, but produced by Mike Leander, and you can tell as there are still some Glitter Band drums in there, it's quite good.  Probably 1973 I'd have thought.

 

Found it

 

Edited February 25, 201411 yr by Pete S

Snap!

 

Yeah that was well weird, posted almost the same thing at exactly the same time...on the 'spooky' topic as well!

Very true.

Did you ever hear the version of "Put it where you want it" by Hot Rocks on UK Bell?  Version of The Crusaders, but produced by Mike Leander, and you can tell as there are still some Glitter Band drums in there, it's quite good.  Probably 1973 I'd have thought.

 

Found it

 

 

Thanks for that - no, never heard it before. Not sure the Glitteresque drums add anything to be honest and I'd still go for the Crusaders but it's always interesting to hear stuff like that. I just remembered that one of the sax players from a later version of The Glitter Band (mid 80s) used to pop in a pub where i worked when he was in the area. He was a session man who had some hilarious and invariably alcohol fueled tales of life on the road.

Edited February 25, 201411 yr by Godzilla

Yeah that was well weird, posted almost the same thing at exactly the same time...on the 'spooky' topic as well!

 

Everything in common except politics (and possibly funk and hip hop records)

So.......not a winner on the popularity stakes !!!

Venetia appears to have got off relatively lightly compared to Steve and his cronies

Everything in common except politics (and possibly funk and hip hop records)

 

I was a card carrying member of the Labour Party until Blair got in...then it all started to change LOL

I like a lot of old hip hop, late 80's early 90's, not too keen on funk but not really heard that much.  

I was a card carrying member of the Labour Party until Blair got in...then it all started to change LOL

I like a lot of old hip hop, late 80's early 90's, not too keen on funk but not really heard that much.  

My period of hip hop too: Stetsasonic, Main Source, Brand Nubian, UMCs - loved all that stuff. I'll sling a funk comp your way...

My period of hip hop too: Stetsasonic, Main Source, Brand Nubian, UMCs - loved all that stuff. I'll sling a funk comp your way...

WHO ?

Not heard of any off them.

Fancy slinging a copy my way, in case i'm missing out.

Edited February 26, 201411 yr by Gogs

WHO ?

Not heard of any off them.

Fancy slinging a copy my way, in case i'm missing out.

 

 

Sure you could PM your address or we could start an old school hip hop topic in freebasing. That's probably the best idea so that a few other peeps on here could chuck their ideas in

 or we could start an old school hip hop topic in freebasing. That's probably the best idea so that a few other peeps on here could chuck their ideas in

Sounds like a good idea

Sounds like a good idea

 

We're well on with it. Check Freebasing.

We're well on with it. Check Freebasing.

going there right now

The drumming and horns sound very similar to the ones on Alexander pattons "A lil lovin sometimes", that's how i came to the conclusion it wasn't original.

Regards Fred ward.

and Evelyn Thomas Weakspot, made it big on the scene in the day and charted I believe

 

Edited September 28, 20168 yr by Northern Soul UK

On 2/9/2014 at 12:10, Pete S said:

The Venecia Wilson record is fantastic.

Apart from the fact it totally rips off another record.

a familiar trait ive noticed

That record was a disgrace totally phoney and anybody who didn't realise that certainly don't know as much about music as they think they do hence the embarrassment  from the so called boffins of ballyhoo DJ,s who fell for it, 

ML

Levine talking about the Four Vandals record in 2003 (13 minutes onwards, sorry don't know how to edit the clip).

 

Had totally forgotten about this thread... Well, as it's harvest time across the shires, maybe this could be played in fields to scare the birds away. Perhaps play it in shopping centres to encourage the hoodies to move on.

On 25 February 2014 at 22:12, Pete S said:

 

I was a card carrying member of the Labour Party until Blair got in...then it all started to change LOL

I like a lot of old hip hop, late 80's early 90's, not too keen on funk but not really heard that much.  

Come back Pete - your contributions are sorely missed.

21 hours ago, diddy morgan said:

a familiar trait ive noticed

Yes Steve, Ian Levine actually borrowed Alan Pollards copy of the instrumental ( cant recall name) to get the backing. I remember Alan telling me!

Wasn't it The Peter Hamilton Generation "Hey Girl" on Jamie /

 

Hooker1951 if you heard it played out without knowing what you do know i doubt you would call it a disgrace its a crackin tune

23 hours ago, Hooker1951 said:

That record was a disgrace totally phoney and anybody who didn't realise that certainly don't know as much about music as they think they do hence the embarrassment  from the so called boffins of ballyhoo DJ,s who fell for it, 

ML

That's the crux - the fact it made monkies out of supposed experts - gods know why, it stood out like a sore thumb to me.

If you listen closely to the lyrics it could be taken as a 'fuck you' to exactly the people it hoodwinked.

Dx

Edited September 30, 20168 yr by DaveNPete

This record has served its purpose.........fool me once etc.

Gary Lewis and his fan daby dozi playboys filled the dancefloor's as well, but it's not in many folks top 15,000 now..........

Stick to the formula and you can't go wrong, stray a little and expect the unexpected. 

It was once estimated that there are 27,000 acceptable toon's to pick from and still be an 'ok kinda guy'.........

Give or take a few, that's about 26,500 underplayed 'acceptable' toon's that would not cause grief!!

Stick to the right side of town!

Ed

 

Or there's always the poor side of town, now available on the compilation "Gonna make you an offer: the complete Cube recordings 1972-75":

 

On 9/29/2016 at 10:07, Hooker1951 said:

That record was a disgrace totally phoney and anybody who didn't realise that certainly don't know as much about music as they think they do hence the embarrassment  from the so called boffins of ballyhoo DJ,s who fell for it, 

ML

Did you tell the world at the time it was a made to measure ?