When was this record discovered, or if that is too mired in mystery, when was the peak of initial popularity/plays?

I’m interested in any tales about the disc please - who found it, who made it go big, when was it booted, was there ever a big find of original copies etc etc

Thanks in advance for any contributions.

Cheers, Tony

Hi Tony

Great record, big production timeless sound caught the essence of 60,s soul I first heard it on the pirate radio stations mid 60,s Still play it out if I’m doing a spot, played it out at Smokies memorial night for the hospice at Stables in March it was well received. Good powerful tune.

KR

Mick L

It got pressed up....so very popular.

Must have been pre 76 and I think a Wigan biggie.

Ed

Gary Rushbrooke ... ?

Don't want to 'hi-jack' or 'detour' the OP's tread but I always had my reserve about my 'liking' of the record FWIW. Although Good, Big, Pulsating beat and musical accompagnement but the vocal... too 'poppy' for me. Yet I've always understood and respect those who love it 100%. Totaly part of the early 'rare soul' scene is my understanding of it. But once I got me a copy of Steve Mancha 'friday night' I heard them borrowing in the final choruses the hooks 'she puts the hurt on me, she puts the hurt one me...' begging for me to find out how big the record was with the black folks even one year after it's original release... Love those "historical" bits if ever. Anyone know maybe ? RobbK...

Edited July 11, 20222 yr by Tlscapital

Rushbrooke........  not sure who discovered/first played it.    but Gary certainly made it part of his sets, on station road and beyond

Great record....got all that's needed for a.proper northern 45...First heard st.ives or Fleet 78/79 ish, as always been a fav like alot of those uptempo stompers from my youth, had the boot many years ago but upgraded to original a few years ago and still gets played when I can.

1 hour ago, Woodbutcher said:

Gary Rushbrooke ... ?

Remember Gary playing it. At Leicester and Stafford.  

1 hour ago, Tlscapital said:

 But once I got me a copy of Steve Mancha 'friday night' I heard them borrowing in the final choruses the hooks 'she puts the hurt on me, she puts the hurt one me...' begging for me to find out how big the record was with the black folks even one year after it's original release... Love those "historical" bits if ever. Anyone know maybe ? RobbK...

       I don't think Trade Martin influenced "black folks" with his 45. No mention of it in Billboard, Cashbox or Record World. It may have got some airplay but there I can't find any evidence of it charting on any U.S. radio stations.

          A more likely source is Prince La La's 1961 "She  Put The Hurt On Me', Little Herman's "I'm Gonna Put The Hurt On You" or Alvin Robinson's "I'm Gonna Put The Hurt On You" .

Edited July 11, 20222 yr by The Yank

10 minutes ago, The Yank said:

       I don't think Trade Martin influenced "black folks" with his 45. No mention of it in Billboard, Cashbox or Record World. It may have got some airplay but there I can't find any evidence of it charting on any U.S. radio stations.

          A more likely source is Prince La La's 1962 "She  Put The Hurt On Me', Little Herman's "I'm Gonna Put The Hurt On You" or Alvin Robinson's "I'm Gonna Put The Hurt On You" .

No-no it's clearly the Trade Martin 'She Put The Hurt On Me' backing vocals hooks I recognized from scratch to this day still. Exactly to my surprise somehow also.

Not only a 'Brit' "favorite" (am not Brit BTW) rare soul tune apparently. To my surprise ! No real point in my astonishment otherwise if it would have been any of the above.

Edited July 11, 20222 yr by Tlscapital

1 hour ago, Woodbutcher said:

Gary Rushbrooke ... ?

Definetly ! I was too young for the casino - came on the scene 83 - first nighter in 84 - but was buying live tapes from Richard Domar at the time and had Gary Rushbrooke spinning it at a March nighter in 1980 - always liked the record and Gary’s taste in the blue eyed soul avenue 

6 hours ago, Tony Turner said:

When was this record discovered, or if that is too mired in mystery, when was the peak of initial popularity/plays?

I’m interested in any tales about the disc please - who found it, who made it go big, when was it booted, was there ever a big find of original copies etc etc

Thanks in advance for any contributions.

Cheers, Tony

Hi can't answer? But il tell you Roger Banks plays another take on it & it stormin 

3 hours ago, Ian Parker said:

Rushbrooke........  not sure who discovered/first played it.    but Gary certainly made it part of his sets, on station road and beyond

Sam was playing it 77/78 but I was under the impression that it was a well known sound prior to that?

4 hours ago, Tomangoes said:

It got pressed up....so very popular.

Must have been pre 76 and I think a Wigan biggie.

Ed

Pressed up in late 78

Here's a snap shot of Wigan sounds 78.

Alan Rhodes play?

It would fall in line with the 78 pressing.

Ed

5 hours ago, Tomangoes said:

Here's a snap shot of Wigan sounds 78.

Alan Rhodes play?

It would fall in line with the 78 pressing.

Ed

 

can ya post a link to the original article webpage please

thanks

 

5 hours ago, Tomangoes said:

Here's a snap shot of Wigan sounds 78.

Alan Rhodes play?

It would fall in line with the 78 pressing.

Ed

 

Martin would have known if he wrote that article. He used to spend half the night looking over shoulders at the decks, ( and the other half driving anyone in ear shot mad with his chemical fueled drivel 😂) . ....I still have a feeling it was known and played well before 78 though. 

Martin - Are you still on here ?

Anyone ?

6 hours ago, Source said:

can ya post a link to the original article webpage please

thanks

 

http://martins_box.tripod.com/id15.htm

Ed

Not to venture too far from the main subject of this thread, Jimmy Roach as one half of the writers of SPAHOM, was an interesting character, in this Biography by Andrew Hamilton (Below), Andrew outlines how he hooked up with Gary Klein, and if you check discogs you can see the sort of songs Trade Martin was releaseing in 65, the flip 'Son of a millionaire' is Trade Martin's song, but I assume this flip side by writing duo Jimmy Roach and Gary Klein is bought in so to speak... I guess Trade Martin must have liked it and it allowed it on the flip of his Stallion release. Anyhow this biog gives this track a bit of context...

https://www.allmusic.com/artist/jimmy-roach-mn0000091378/biography

 

Edited July 12, 20222 yr by Mal C

9 hours ago, Merve said:

 

 

15 hours ago, Tomangoes said:

Here's a snap shot of Wigan sounds 78.

Alan Rhodes play?

It would fall in line with the 78 pressing.

Ed

I think that’s Dave McCadden or Siz writing in Soul Time / New Soul Time .Trade Martin was definitely played around 77/78 at Wigan and bootlegged ,probably too soon .Same time frame as Gary Haines ,Burning Bush etc .Remember The Shirelles cut it as well ,though unissued at the time until Ace Records unreleased it with the different title of “ You Could Be My Remedy “ 

Here’s a playlist from New Soultime originally ,shows where Trade Martin fitted in amongst a very mixed bag of great and not so great sounds in 1978 

Big sound in 78 when I started going and have always been under the impression that it was fairly new at that point, but nothing surprises me any more

50 minutes ago, Eddie Hubbard said:

 

I think that’s Dave McCadden or Siz writing in Soul Time / New Soul Time .Trade Martin was definitely played around 77/78 at Wigan and bootlegged ,probably too soon .Same time frame as Gary Haines ,Burning Bush etc .Remember The Shirelles cut it as well ,though unissued at the time until Ace Records unreleased it with the different title of “ You Could Be My Remedy “ 

New to me, but that's not half bad after youtubing it..

Ed

10 minutes ago, Eddie Hubbard said:

Here’s a playlist from New Soultime originally ,shows where Trade Martin fitted in amongst a very mixed bag of great and not so great sounds in 1978 

That’s exactly the stuff that was played in my first few months of doing all nighters, like you say some not so great but all very nostalgic for me

13 minutes ago, Eddie Hubbard said:

Here’s a playlist from New Soultime originally ,shows where Trade Martin fitted in amongst a very mixed bag of great and not so great sounds in 1978 

Amazing how the good the bad and the downright ugly...sit together.

Ed

Just now, Tomangoes said:

Amazing how the good the bad and the downright ugly...sit together.

Ed

As a 17 year old I wouldn’t have differentiated between most of them at the time

5 minutes ago, Tomangoes said:

Amazing how the good the bad and the downright ugly...sit together.

Ed

Yes it was amazing really that two years earlier everything seemed to be great ,and a year or so after this playlist Richard had his fantastic playlists along with Gary Rushbrooke etc 

13 hours ago, Eddie Hubbard said:

 

I think that’s Dave McCadden or Siz writing in Soul Time / New Soul Time .Trade Martin was definitely played around 77/78 at Wigan and bootlegged ,probably too soon .Same time frame as Gary Haines ,Burning Bush etc .Remember The Shirelles cut it as well ,though unissued at the time until Ace Records unreleased it with the different title of “ You Could Be My Remedy “ 

Not Martin's own work then. I'd wrongly thought it was. 

12 hours ago, Eddie Hubbard said:

Here’s a playlist from New Soultime originally ,shows where Trade Martin fitted in amongst a very mixed bag of great and not so great sounds in 1978 

Good god, no wonder we had ditched Wigan for Yate 

11 hours ago, Merve said:

Not Martin's own work then. I'd wrongly thought it was. 

I think a lot of this material had been lifted from various sources .

Not a bad version of the work song.....

Ed

I think it would have been Siz writing as it was New Soultime .Dave McAdden had been run out of town by then .1978 was a weird year as that playlist suggests .Some brilliant new tunes still happening but some utter dross Sammy Davis jnr ! Alan Rhodes and Richard Searling spots were the highlight of the night and the Trade Martin track was defo in there although yet another record that was booted too soon .
Running a booted too soon list would be interesting .So many great tunes booted or reissued before they were given a really good run ? 
 

2 hours ago, Richard Free said:

I think it would have been Siz writing as it was New Soultime .Dave McAdden had been run out of town by then .1978 was a weird year as that playlist suggests .Some brilliant new tunes still happening but some utter dross Sammy Davis jnr ! Alan Rhodes and Richard Searling spots were the highlight of the night and the Trade Martin track was defo in there although yet another record that was booted too soon .
Running a booted too soon list would be interesting .So many great tunes booted or reissued before they were given a really good run ? 
 

A mint boot copy of "against my will" by Little Joe Cook...is probably rarer that an original

those bootleggers were not always into attention to detail!

Ed

when was 'Eddie Daniels - Is He Better Than Me booted on the 'BOOTS' label? That was Richard Searling track at the Casino in the later 7ts wasnt it..?

35 minutes ago, Mal C said:

when was 'Eddie Daniels - Is He Better Than Me booted on the 'BOOTS' label? That was Richard Searling track at the Casino in the later 7ts wasnt it..?

76 if my memory serves me well. Booted before it really took off.

22 minutes ago, Merve said:

76 if my memory serves me well. Booted before it really took off.

Must have been...heard it for the first time today on YouTube!

Ed

3 minutes ago, Tomangoes said:

Must have been...heard it for the first time today on YouTube!

Ed

It was only played for a month or so before it was booted.....where my memory must be wrong is the venue, I  had thought I heard it at the eastern venues Cleggy/St Ives. Must have been Wigan if it was an RS spin.

I loved Eddie Daniels just didn’t work.i thought it was Alan Rhodes but could have been Richard.Original very rare 

 

1 hour ago, Richard Free said:

I loved Eddie Daniels just didn’t work.i thought it was Alan Rhodes but could have been Richard.Original very rare 

 

Yes very rare indeed  ! ...if I remember right Prince George-Wrong Crowd was getting played around the same time which is another that got booted too soon 

9 minutes ago, Merve said:

Yes very rare indeed  ! ...if I remember right Prince George-Wrong Crowd was getting played around the same time which is another that got booted too soon 

Great memories of summer 76?  Still have my boot of wrong crowd

 

33 minutes ago, Richard Free said:

Great memories of summer 76?  Still have my boot of wrong crowd

 

Yes summer of 76....just don't mention California Strut, it may just get you crucified by the soul police 😁

Or Linda and the funky boys:)

Ed

Or weak spot Evelyn Thomas or l j Johnson 😀

 

Lindberg ii-Toulouse

I don't remember seeing the Eddie Daniels record in that 76 period (real Boot or boot Boot). I do remember the contemporary boots in our local shops (Prince George etc.) but this one must not have been as widely distributed. I didn't know of the record at all until the nineties, or even noughties. One that passed me by.

 

1 hour ago, Mick Holdsworth said:

I don't remember seeing the Eddie Daniels record in that 76 period (real Boot or boot Boot). I do remember the contemporary boots in our local shops (Prince George etc.) but this one must not have been as widely distributed. I didn't know of the record at all until the nineties, or even noughties. One that passed me by.

 

Yes I agree Mick although I have it on a few old lists I will copy and post .

 

1 hour ago, Richard Free said:

Yes I agree Mick although I have it on a few old lists I will copy and post .

 

The Boot boot was one of the infamous  'PB' offerings I  think. Must be fairly rare in its own right I guess 

Back on topic, has anyone ever seen a demo of the Stallion issue? Does a demo exist?

1 hour ago, Merve said:

Back on topic, has anyone ever seen a demo of the Stallion issue? Does a demo exist?

It does nor exist. No promo copies for the 3 release on the label FWIW.