O.v.o And C.r.&.p Venues

[Steve G]

...Russ Winstanley has even played for me at one of my nights(Eyes Down in Dry Bar)

Russ - he the one that plays boots? He doesn't have any original records in his box.

Does that make Eyes Down the first declared CR&P venue?

[Guest Beeks]

Russ - he the one that plays boots? He doesn't have any original records in his box.

Does that make Eyes Down the first declared CR&P venue?

Boots and reissues galore there mate...but it has never been a purely soul gig...used to play all sorts across the board so it doesn't really count...im not involved this time around anyway...laying off the promoting for awhile

[Dave]

All of the above have great collections and are accomplished DJs...but if all of the above are playing the same MONSTER £1000+ records...well...remember what I was saying about pushing the boat out?

Beeks, that really is a ridiculous post.

Have you heard Butch, Andy or Mick play? Do you understand the two distinctly different scenes within "northern soul" which have been talked about on this thread?

If you are going to make posts like that, you would be better off in the shopping centre thread... that's the place for such ignorance!

[Guest Gavin Page]

Of course you can Gav. It's about bootlegs and playing quality....not about playing an album track of somehing that was on 45 which I don't think has ever been contentious.

Thank the lord for that.

[Guest Beeks]

Beeks, that really is a ridiculous post.

Have you heard Butch, Andy or Mick play? Do you understand the two distinctly different scenes within "northern soul" which have been talked about on this thread?

If you are going to make posts like that, you would be better off in the shopping centre thread... that's the place for such ignorance!

Ah Dave...you really don't know the way I operate haha! It's not a dig at any of them...I know damn well they are great DJs...I just like winding Jocko and chums up...it's not hard really is it?

[Guest inspirations001]

serious question,as i'm not a dj and i don't personally give a toss what format it is played on,i used to collect, and made a point of taping all my old stuff. if i transferred it onto cd is this cheating? it's from my own collection, just updated! i can carry 25 cd's as opposed to 700 records. i appreciate all you collector types out there, but does the punter really care???

[Dave]

Hello Mark,

I'm certainly against bootlegs and bootleggers in general but I can't really object to an individual who buys or plays a bootleg.

The choice is up to them.

I just don't feel that I have the right to tell people what to buy and what not to buy. I would probably be shot down in flames.

All I can do is alert people to specific bootlegs from time to time and ask them not to give support.

But I do understand that some people just can't resist a particular record and they'll sometimes buy a bootleg because there's no affordable alternative. I did it myself when I was a teenager, mostly in ignorance.

So I haven't changed my views, Mark, I'm just trying to be realistic about things.

Best regards,

Paul

P.S. My patented oV meter will catch a few of them out!

That's astonishing hypocrisy.

Akin to condemning the makers of child pornography then saying the people that download it have no responsibilty for it.

[mrs soul]

to me its simple, if you want OVO then go and support the venues which do so, if you hate boots, don't go there then, time and time again, I have seen venues that do quality ovo soul nites, suffer from a lack of interest, but I hear all the time on topics about people moaning about the same old, so don't sit on your Laural's, instead of talking about it, put it into action, thats the answer.. right I,m off to bed now.

[Steve G]

but does the punter really care???

A number of us as punters on here do care, but another number of people think that the punters don't care.

I find that second view quite patronising of the punters.

[Guest]

Thread for listing venues that play:

Original Vinyl Only (OVO)

CD's , Reissues and Pressings. (C.R.A.P)

I'll start off

Letchworth Irish Centre - OVO

I collect the sounds I love and can afford on OVO !

I own bootlegs that I have aquired when buying small collections from people who were active fans in the 70s !!!!!

The bootlegs are in a big box upstairs and my prize OVO are in boxes next to my record player !!!!!!!!!!!!

I do not consider that my bootlegs are any more worthwile than that CD with the tune on ?

or in fact any other non original format ??

And on the few occasions that I do play to a Soul crowd, I would NEVER insult them and play anything that was not an authentic original release !

And thats the fecking rules ????????

Anyone who is otherwise has missed the point IMO

Edited September 17, 2008 by mossy

[Guest Gavin Page]

serious question,as i'm not a dj and i don't personally give a toss what format it is played on,i used to collect, and made a point of taping all my old stuff. if i transferred it onto cd is this cheating? it's from my own collection, just updated! i can carry 25 cd's as opposed to 700 records. i appreciate all you collector types out there, but does the punter really care???

A fair point and well made.

When playing in Europe I use CDRs for obvious reasons, should that be an issue?

When going through some tougher times, I sold most of my 45s and used CDRs along with new release and pre release C.Ds along with Albums. Which was an issue for a number of people I might add. All be it nobody had the fucking balls to say anything to my face at the time!

I have to say I do struggle with some of this thread. I have now replaced most of what I sold and all of a sudden its okay for me to play the songs again? It's a fucking joke!

Sorry Steve, I just can't get my head around some of this..

Edited September 17, 2008 by Gavin Page

[Dr Good Soul]

Trawled through alot of bullshit on this thread

Don't know Steve G

but find myself agreeing with most comments

he's made

if you can't afford the original big tune then don't play it

there's plenty cheap originals to choose from

Steve A.

[Guest andrew bin]

A fair point and well made.

When playing in Europe I use CDRs for obvious reasons, should that be an issue?

When going through some tougher times, I sold most of my 45s and used CDRs along with new release and pre release C.Ds along with Albums. Which was an issue for a number of people I might add. All be it nobody had the fucking balls to say anything to my face at the time!

I have to say I do struggle with some of this thread. I have now replaced most of what I sold and all of a sudden its okay for me to play the songs again? It's a fucking joke!

Sorry Steve, I just can't get my head around some of this..

your not the only one

[Guest inspirations001]

not patronising anyone and certainly not meaning to cause offence to you serious collectors. i did collect,but for various reasons don't anymore. i buy and sell so don't have much vinyl now.for convenience sake i could play off cd, tyunes that no other dj will play cos it's a cheap sound,and there fore spread the word a bit.but some punters DON'T care what format it's on. i also appreciate some punters do, so i suppose it's all about personal taste. goes back to frank wilson,cos only two or three can play the orig but bet your life it's played at most major venues evey bloody week,worse luck.

[Guest]

A fair point and well made.

When playing in Europe I use CDRs for obvious reasons, should that be an issue?

When going through some tougher times, I sold most of my 45s and used CDRs along with new release and pre release C.Ds along with Albums. Which was an issue for a number of people I might add. All be it nobody had the fucking balls to say anything to my face at the time!

I have to say I do struggle with some of this thread. I have now replaced most of what I sold and all of a sudden its okay for me to play the songs again? It's a fucking joke!

Sorry Steve, I just can't get my head around some of this..

What reaction would you have if Butch or Soul Sam turned up with a CD player ?

The reason these guys are so popular is because they are at the top end of this thing we call record collecting ?

Not MP3 collecting ???

Oh and I have sold collections in the past and I wouldn't play my old recording of Carl Underwood out to anyone on MP3 and justify it by claiming I used to own it !

Even if i did (which i did) .......... Its gone ! On to new OVO 45s

Edited September 17, 2008 by mossy

[Joefromupnorth]

I think Flyny said that in Japan they have cameras trained on the decks at certain rare soul/funk venues !!

Really needs to be able to take a still so all can see the label,stuff like Eddie Parker's love you baby ( go on someone argue its an overplayed oldie) needs careful inspection as we all know could'nt tell spinning at 45rpm , well i could'nt , how many out their could ? , so you'd need to supply a good spotting book on the door , one between two of course or be charging £50 to get in !!! and the pic needs be detailed enough to analyze matrix numbers too by gum...oh yes then the lights would have to be on to read the book.....all this is very admirable in its aim but unworkable...i had to comment , was'nt going to but the thread has gone round and round and as we all know will solve nothing.....some venues will play originals others boots and some a mixture of both , nothing like an original though i agree even werthers know that...... you makes your choice and then you pays your money...........on the door !!! those japanese , they'll point a camera at owt

[Guest Paul]

I just don't get these double standards Paul. For years you've been on the anti bootlegging bandwagon tut tutting at the northern scene from afar for making illegal copies of records, now it's ok if someone wants to buy them and it's all down to market forces and hey what the hell. I am sorry but I don't buy it - get your backbone back in mate.

Hello Steve,

Don't get me wrong, I'm against bootlegs and I've been involved in a number of specific actions of one type or another over the years.

What I'm saying is that I don't have the right to object to an individual for buying a bootleg or an unlicensed CD or counterfeit designer goods or whatever. All I can do is ask people not to support bootleggers.

I'm more concerned with the manufacturers and distributors of bootlegs and I can only get involved in specific cases where my company or its clients are the injured parties.

It's frustrating that some of the bigger injured parties (including major record companies) just don't seem to be very concerned most of the time. That doesn't help at all.

It also doesn't help that eBay aren't really interested in the problem and it seems that an awful lot of soul fans aren't too bothered either.

Very sad but very true.

Best wishes,

Paul

[Dave]

A number of us as punters on here do care, but another number of people think that the punters don't care.

I find that second view quite patronising of the punters.

Seriously Steve, yes a number of us punters on here do care, but there aren't that many of us punters on here, are there? Most are Promoters, DJs, even those involved in the music industry and a lot of them seldom go to events apart from their own and those they're DJing at.

Probably 90% of out and out punters, especially oldies fans, don't look on here and, (be this patronising or not), do not care about format.

As was said some time ago, the nostalgia scene has no bearing on the "progressive" side and is arguably contributing to it's decline, but whatever we think makes no difference, particularly as the progressive scene is very much the minority sport.

[Guest Gavin Page]

What reaction would you have if Butch or Soul Sam turned up with a CD player ?

The reason these guys are so popular is because they are at the top end of this thing we call record collecting ?

Not MP3 collecting ???

They were not MP3s they were recordings of records I owned.

I understand the collecting bit, as it is a bug I have.. Sam and Butch, both good Djs, to me. However a good collection does not a good Dj always make.

Cd players are in most gigs these days. For me and I know I differ from most, the use of technology is not an issue.

Edited September 17, 2008 by Gavin Page

[Richard Bayley]

Joan i've been going to scooter rallies and weekenders for many years, i've seen most of the top DJs...Russ Winstanley has even played for me at one of my nights(Eyes Down in Dry Bar) So this attending venues thing is wearing a little thin

Beeks, on a thread about OVO vs Boots, and progressive vs oldies music policy, you've chosen to have a pop at DJs you've never heard play on the nighter scene (because you don't attend) and attempt to boost yourself by boasting about booking a DJ who these days plays nothing but bootleg and reissue moldie oldies...... Is your posting an ego thing? Have you tried finding a discussion board about the Hadron Particle Collider, so you can show off your knowledge on particle physics too? Do you share the same therapist as Mr Levine?

[Dave]

Ah Dave...you really don't know the way I operate haha! It's not a dig at any of them...I know damn well they are great DJs...I just like winding Jocko and chums up...it's not hard really is it?

Wind away if you like Beeks, without personal abuse if possible mind, but you've shot yourself in the foot with the remarks about the leading DJs, and again with the remark about RW.. he is the total antithesis of what Butch, Mick, Andy and a few more stand for!

[Dave]

Beeks, on a thread about OVO vs Boots, and progressive vs oldies music policy, you've chosen to have a pop at DJs you've never heard play on the nighter scene (because you don't attend) and attempt to boost yourself by boasting about booking a DJ who these days plays nothing but bootleg and reissue moldie oldies...... Is your posting an ego thing? Have you tried finding a discussion board about the Hadron Particle Collider, so you can show off your knowledge on particle physics too? Do you share the same therapist as Mr Levine?

Sorry Richard.. you got there just before me!

[Guest Beeks]

Wind away if you like Beeks, without personal abuse if possible mind, but you've shot yourself in the foot with the remarks about the leading DJs, and again with the remark about RW.. he is the total antithesis of what Butch, Mick, Andy and a few more stand for!

You still know who RW is though...so my point was proven...boots...reissues aside...he's recognised and the remarks were tongue in cheek...like most of my comments on here...you just need to know how to take me...Jocko doesn't

[Modernsoulsucks]

That's astonishing hypocrisy.

Akin to condemning the makers of child pornography then saying the people that download it have no responsibilty for it.

This is so OTT I think you've made the case for how ridiculous some of us OVO adherents are treating this topic. Really it's no big deal.

Yes bootlegging should be stamped on but you can't put the genie back in the bottle. There's loads out there starting from the late 60's. People buy and collect them, collectors and dealers sell them from Pete Smith to John Manship.

As I said previously it's not like the original is available to buy and by not doing so you're depriving the artists etc of financial reward.

So why the fuss about playing them in a club. Consenting adults and all that. Sure if the sound quality was particularly bad I'd probably notice but apart from that it wouldn't bother me in the slightest unless of course they were pretending to have the original.

ROD

[Guest]

You still know who RW is though...so my point was proven...boots...reissues aside...he's recognised and the remarks were tongue in cheek...like most of my comments on here...you just need to know how to take me...Jocko doesn't

BEEKS....at least you have removed that ugly avatar !

it really scared me that did !

where do you lot get these horrible pictures from ?????

Edited September 17, 2008 by mossy

[Guest Beeks]

Beeks, on a thread about OVO vs Boots, and progressive vs oldies music policy, you've chosen to have a pop at DJs you've never heard play on the nighter scene (because you don't attend) and attempt to boost yourself by boasting about booking a DJ who these days plays nothing but bootleg and reissue moldie oldies...... Is your posting an ego thing? Have you tried finding a discussion board about the Hadron Particle Collider, so you can show off your knowledge on particle physics too? Do you share the same therapist as Mr Levine?

If you read from where I started you will find that I made constructive comments with regards to the boots vs OVO...then Paul posted that Jocko was attacking him and I thought id have a giggle...ive not had a pop at any DJs...just threw that out there for fun...no offense meant...well not to Butch et al

[Des Crombie]

Of course you can Gav. It's about bootlegs and playing quality....not about playing an album track of somehing that was on 45 which I don't bthink has ever been contentious.

I try not to comment on these threads, so sorry for this, but for what its worth heres my experiance.

As you all know the self discovery and tracking down of rare soul records on original format at a decent price and in good condition is very time consuming and often detrimental to other aspects of your life. Not to mention the financial burden it can sometimes cause.

As Roy Castle sang "dedications what you need if you want to be a record breaker".

On the other hand Mr Lazy spends a small wad on grapevine 2000 45's to supplement his old collection he accumulated when he was last on the scene. Armed with his re-charged record box he gets himself a residents spot at a local (who cares) soul night, then djing at other like minded nights and on a regular local radio spot. Well done Mr Lazy.

However, it doesn't stop there, Mr Lazy starts copying previously released rare tunes on compilation CD's or MP3's onto carvers. The local (who cares) soul night is now competing head to head with the local progressive soul night. He's proud that hes not as stupid as those collectors/DJ's and has got the tunes at a fraction of the effort. So proud that he brags about it all the time and keeps telling everyone how snobbish and stuck up their own arses the other lot are. Next thing their putting on their second allnighter - its big time.

Local progressive soul night now struggles to attract people.

This is based on a true story, although I'll now probably get lambasted for telling this.

Edited September 17, 2008 by Dezzie Boy

[Dave]

You still know who RW is though...so my point was proven...boots...reissues aside...he's recognised and the remarks were tongue in cheek...like most of my comments on here...you just need to know how to take me...Jocko doesn't

Right.. I don't really want to get drawn into this little side game but as a final word I would say your point was actually dis-proven. And I think there is only one way to "take" you when you start calling respected members "ars*hole"!

[Guest Paul]

That's astonishing hypocrisy.

Akin to condemning the makers of child pornography then saying the people that download it have no responsibilty for it.

Hello Dave,

It isn't hypocrisy, it's being realistic and it's knowing how far to get involved.

If it was my job to fight against drugs, for example, I would target the manufacturers and suppliers, not the users.

I really don't have the right to dictate to the general public. If something is offered to them, some will take it and others won't. It could be anything from counterfeit cigarettes to unlicensed software.

It really isn't any of my business.

I personally don't like bootlegs because (1) I'm against it in principal and (2) I'm in the music business and at times I have to protect our interests.

However, the fact is that many other people just aren't bothered about bootlegs. I'm certainly not a one-man moral crusader and I'm not here to fight other people's battles.

I have my own views and I can only do so much.

Best regards,

Paul

[stomper45]

Rare soul scene, many want to hear and dance to rare soul that don't get played much and a few unheards is a bonus. Tho often you have to trade off with a few well knowns to kick things off/keep every one happy.

In this modern techno age why would anyone play a boot are they pretending to play original vinyl, much prefer to see a guy with cd's at least he or she is honest.

However Cd's means easier access to our hallowed tunes, we could hear anything, the mystique goes soon and I'll be bored with hearing the rarer Dynamic 3 or Johnny Rogers or the cheaper stuff by downloading copycatting playlists as every Nob, tit and fanny has a zillion downloads to bore sorry entertain us all.

The passion you see from a guy playing his original vinyl collection whatever the price can this be replicated by clones? For me a carver is ok it stops (sometimes) the playing of too many off the current hot album for instance.

The old divide of Oldies v Modern can be replaced by any format v OVO.

Think the jist of this thread is if your into playing any format, be upfront and advertise the fact be it an event or a dj looking for bookings, that way nobody gets upset/cross wires.,

OVO can seem illogical but when was this scene anything else.

Peace

[Dave]

I try not to comment on these threads, so sorry for this, but for what its worth heres my experiance.

As you all know the self discovery and tracking down of rare soul records on original format at a decent price and in good condition is very time consuming and often detrimental to other aspects of your life. Not to mention the financial burden it can sometimes cause.

As Roy Castle sang "dedications what you need if you want to be a record breaker".

On the other hand Mr Lazy spends a small wad on grapevine 2000 45's to supplement his old collection he accumulated when he was last on the scene. Armed with his re-charged record box he gets himself a residents spot at a local (who cares) soul night, then djing at other like minded nights and on a regular local radio spot. Well done Mr Lazy.

However, it doesn't stop there, Mr Lazy starts copying previously released rare tunes on compilation CD's or MP3's onto carvers. The local (who cares) soul night is now competing head to head with the local progressive soul night. He's proud that hes not as stupid as those collectors/DJ's and has got the tunes at a fraction of the effort. So proud that he brags about it all the time and keeps telling everyone how snobbish and stuck up their own arses the other lot are. Next thing their putting on their second allnighter - its big time.

Local progressive soul night now struggles to attract people.

This is based on a true story, although I'll now probably get lambasted for telling this.

Blimey!

Just had to check where you are from. I thought I recognised that Mr Lazy for a second.

Spooky!

[Russ Vickers]

A fair point and well made.

When playing in Europe I use CDRs for obvious reasons, should that be an issue?

When going through some tougher times, I sold most of my 45s and used CDRs along with new release and pre release C.Ds along with Albums. Which was an issue for a number of people I might add. All be it nobody had the fucking balls to say anything to my face at the time!

I have to say I do struggle with some of this thread. I have now replaced most of what I sold and all of a sudden its okay for me to play the songs again? It's a fucking joke!

Sorry Steve, I just can't get my head around some of this..

It wasnt an issue for me Gav, remember double decking with you in the smoke at one of Kev's dayers in Brixton........you asked me if I minded, I didnt & you were very gracious as I remember, you could have played an odd thing you knew I had in mi box of CDR, but let me do the 'glory grabbing'.

Russ

[Guest]

I try not to comment on these threads, so sorry for this, but for what its worth heres my experiance.

As you all know the self discovery and tracking down of rare soul records on original format at a decent price and in good condition is very time consuming and often detrimental to other aspects of your life. Not to mention the financial burden it can sometimes cause.

As Roy Castle sang "dedications what you need if you want to be a record breaker".

On the other hand Mr Lazy spends a small wad on grapevine 2000 45's to supplement his old collection he accumulated when he was last on the scene. Armed with his re-charged record box he gets himself a residents spot at a local (who cares) soul night, then djing at other like minded nights and on a regular local radio spot. Well done Mr Lazy.

However, it doesn't stop there, Mr Lazy starts copying previously released rare tunes on compilation CD's or MP3's onto carvers. The local (who cares) soul night is now competing head to head with the local progressive soul night. He's proud that hes not as stupid as those collectors/DJ's and has got the tunes at a fraction of the effort. So proud that he brags about it all the time and keeps telling everyone how snobbish and stuck up their own arses the other lot are. Next thing their putting on their second allnighter - its big time.

Local progressive soul night now struggles to attract people.

This is based on a true story, although I'll now probably get lambasted for telling this.

ovo COLLECTOR ! I dont give a shit about nothing but 60s originals coming through my letterbox ! Not for investment or to be a DJ...........just for pure love!

The love of 60s Soul!

Edited September 17, 2008 by mossy

[Guest Beeks]

I make that 17 words after your last word Beeks just an observation

Hahaha...look what the cat dragged in!

Definately not buying that record off you now

[Pete Eccles]

Hahaha...look what the cat dragged in!

Definately not buying that record off you now

You definitely must try harder

[Guest Beeks]

You definitely must try harder

Can't believe I misspelt it again...Gail is going to have my balls

[vaultofsouler]

Hello Dave,

It isn't hypocrisy, it's being realistic and it's knowing how far to get involved.

If it was my job to fight against drugs, for example, I would target the manufacturers and suppliers, not the users.

I really don't have the right to dictate to the general public. If something is offered to them, some will take it and others won't. It could be anything from counterfeit cigarettes to unlicensed software.

It really isn't any of my business.

I personally don't like bootlegs because (1) I'm against it in principal and (2) I'm in the music business and at times I have to protect our interests.

However, the fact is that many other people just aren't bothered about bootlegs. I'm certainly not a one-man moral crusader and I'm not here to fight other people's battles.

I have my own views and I can only do so much.

Best regards,

Paul

Hi Paul....

Being a realist is perfectly acceptable.... to that degree I am and I accept what your saying here about not being able to tell people what to do, etc., but that's not what I'm questioning....

It's the acceptance and advocating of DJs playing them out that I don't get.... by all mean be a realist and "accept it happens" but surely actually "agreeing" with it, which is how your coming across, is another thing altogether....

As I said when I first asked you about this.... I just found it strange for you to actually express "it happens so it's OK" rather than "it happens but it's not OK".... the latter can be expressed without "telling people what to do" and so stating the previous instead....

Just how I see it Paul and I thought you would....

Soulfully.... Mark

[Guest]

Thats actually far from the truth...met loads of really good people on here...i'm just bobbing for the few bad apples

I sussed this out weeks ago, Beeks is Ian Levines oldest son !

ovo and if you aint collecting you have missed the point !

Edited September 17, 2008 by mossy

[Russ Vickers]

I try not to comment on these threads, so sorry for this, but for what its worth heres my experiance.

As you all know the self discovery and tracking down of rare soul records on original format at a decent price and in good condition is very time consuming and often detrimental to other aspects of your life. Not to mention the financial burden it can sometimes cause.

As Roy Castle sang "dedications what you need if you want to be a record breaker".

On the other hand Mr Lazy spends a small wad on grapevine 2000 45's to supplement his old collection he accumulated when he was last on the scene. Armed with his re-charged record box he gets himself a residents spot at a local (who cares) soul night, then djing at other like minded nights and on a regular local radio spot. Well done Mr Lazy.

However, it doesn't stop there, Mr Lazy starts copying previously released rare tunes on compilation CD's or MP3's onto carvers. The local (who cares) soul night is now competing head to head with the local progressive soul night. He's proud that hes not as stupid as those collectors/DJ's and has got the tunes at a fraction of the effort. So proud that he brags about it all the time and keeps telling everyone how snobbish and stuck up their own arses the other lot are. Next thing their putting on their second allnighter - its big time.

Local progressive soul night now struggles to attract people.

This is based on a true story, although I'll now probably get lambasted for telling this.

Not by me you wont, cos this is the point I've been trying to make from the beggining of this thread.

Russ

[Pete Eccles]

This is so OTT I think you've made the case for how ridiculous some of us OVO adherents are treating this topic. Really it's no big deal.

Yes bootlegging should be stamped on

but you can't put the genie back in the bottle

. There's loads out there starting from the late 60's. People buy and collect them, collectors and dealers sell them from Pete Smith to John Manship.

As I said previously it's not like the original is available to buy and by not doing so you're depriving the artists etc of financial reward.

So why the fuss about playing them in a club. Consenting adults and all that. Sure if the sound quality was particularly bad I'd probably notice but apart from that it wouldn't bother me in the slightest unless of course they were pretending to have the original.

ROD

Nail

On

Head

[Guest]

Nail

On

Head

I would prefer otherwise. I dont want to hear "The Salvadors" on an MP3 - I would prefer to hear "Joe Tex" "I wanna be free" played by someone on ovo who really means it !

And really means it !

Edited September 17, 2008 by mossy

[Trev Thomas]

Thats actually far from the truth...met loads of really good people on here...i'm just bobbing for the few bad apples

right beeks, ive got you now, sorry mate, i missunderstood you, i just thought that you were an annoying little prick trying to make a name for himself, but, i was wrong......youre the new mesiah of northern soul, exorcising the bad apples out of the scene, ridding the northern soul scene of scum like jock, butch, andy dyson, steve g, to name but 3 of the infidills that youve mentioned,.....whoes next ? ......"bring me the head of arthur fenn"

[Pete Eccles]

I would prefer otherwise. I dont want to hear "The Salvadors" on an MP3 - I would prefer to hear "Joe Tex" "I wanna be free" played by someone on ovo who really means it !

I would prefer otherwise, but they are out there getting asked for and getting played, but as Rod intimated, this thread can go on for eternity, zero will change, it's all pointless,

[Trev Thomas]

Hes only 21

bollocks...arthur fenn only 21, youre avin a giraffe

[Guest]

I would prefer otherwise, but they are out there getting asked for and getting played, but as Rod intimated, this thread can go on for eternity, zero will change, it's all pointless,

Thats as maybee , but personally I would not play a 45 out that I do not own on original .

It has taken me the best part of 28 years to get a mint ovo "Stolen Hours" in my collection

why would I play the bootleg of Tamala Lewis in my 30 min set ?

??????????

ovo and mean it !

[Guest Beeks]

abusive posters ?????, you're the one who'es been calling people arseholes, anyway, not going to be drawn into an arguement,

What you mean the arguement you started?

And people? Plural now Is it...only one person I called that and he thoroughly deserves it

[Guest Paul]

Hi Paul....

Being a realist is perfectly acceptable.... to that degree I am and I accept what your saying here about not being able to tell people what to do, etc., but that's not what I'm questioning....

It's the acceptance and advocating of DJs playing them out that I don't get.... by all mean be a realist and "accept it happens" but surely actually "agreeing" with it, which is how your coming across, is another thing altogether....

As I said when I first asked you about this.... I just found it strange for you to actually express "it happens so it's OK" rather than "it happens but it's not OK".... the latter can be expressed without "telling people what to do" and so stating the previous instead....

Just how I see it Paul and I thought you would....

Soulfully.... Mark

Hello again, Mark

I see your point and I'm sorry I didn't address that particular aspect clearly.

My own personal opinion is that it isn't okay to buy bootlegs or to play them, but I respect others have different views.

And I can understand that some people can't resist buying a particular bootleg if there's no alternative and an original copy would cost a small fortune. It must be very tempting, especially for younger DJs.

But I have nothing against a DJ playing reissues, album tracks, CDs or whatever - unless it's at a "rare soul" event of course. That would be poor etiquette.

When I was a teenager I remember a couple of older lads were local "hot shots" because they seemed to have most of the top sounds ...but most of them turned out to be emidiscs.

I couldn't even afford to buy an emidisc with my school lunch money so I'd have to wait for a legal UK issue or an 85p import from Selectadisc.

I didn't even know what a bootleg was and I remember thinking what a great label Soultown was because they'd released 45s by The Sweet Things, Cindy Scott and the Glories etc. It was my favourite label!

Best regards,

Paul

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Hello again, Mark

I see your point and I'm sorry I didn't address that particular aspect clearly.

My own personal opinion is that it isn't okay to buy bootlegs or to play them, but I respect others have different views.

And I can understand that some people can't resist buying a particular bootleg if there's no alternative and an original copy would cost a small fortune. It must be very tempting, especially for younger DJs.

But I have nothing against a DJ playing reissues, album tracks, CDs or whatever - unless it's at a "rare soul" event of course. That would be poor etiquette.

When I was a teenager I remember a couple of older lads were local "hot shots" because they seemed to have most of the top sounds ...but most of them turned out to be emidiscs.

I couldn't even afford to buy an emidisc with my school lunch money so I'd have to wait for a legal UK issue or an 85p import from Selectadisc.

I didn't even know what a bootleg was and I remember thinking what a great label Soultown was because they'd released 45s by The Sweet Things, Cindy Scott and the Glories etc. It was my favourite label!

Best regards,

Paul

We got there ....

I understand and I was the same when younger (a lot ).... buying my NS from local shops, etc., and from venues in the belief they were OK.... in fact I was naiave enough as to not know boots were about ....

It's like most things.... you live and learn....

I will just add I don't agree with you on the "having nothing against a DJ playing reissues, album tracks, CDs or whatever - unless it's at a 'rare soul' event of course" comment....

I do accept it happens at certain venues but I don't agree with it.... I have everything against it so don't go to venues that do.... doesn't mean I just go to progessive nights as there are a number of "oldies" venues that don't do it.... for me it's not oldies versus progressive it's playing originals only as opposed to not doing....

Suppose we will just differ in opinion on that one ....

Soulfully.... Mark

[Guest Paul]

We got there ....

I understand and I was the same when younger (a lot ).... buying my NS from local shops, etc., and from venues in the belief they were OK.... in fact I was naiave enough as to not know boots were about ....

It's like most things.... you live and learn....

I will just add I don't agree with you on the "having nothing against a DJ playing reissues, album tracks, CDs or whatever - unless it's at a 'rare soul' event of course" comment....

I do accept it happens at certain venues but I don't agree with it.... I have everything against it so don't go to venues that do.... doesn't mean I just go to progessive nights as there are a number of "oldies" venues that don't do it.... for me it's not oldies versus progressive it's playing originals only as opposed to not doing....

Suppose we will just differ in opinion on that one ....

Soulfully.... Mark

I'm glad we agree about bootlegs, Mark, and I respect your views about OVO.

By the way, I also think it's fine for a DJ to play 45s or LP tracks on UK labels, old or new, as long as they are legitimate issues. And they often sound better.

Best wishes,

Paul

[Guest]

I'm glad we agree about bootlegs, Mark, and I respect your views about OVO.

By the way, I also think it's fine for a DJ to play 45s or LP tracks on UK labels, old or new, as long as they are legitimate issues. And they often sound better.

Best wishes,

Paul

Can I play "Rita and the tiaras " - gone with the wind" then at our local on original uk ?

Even if you say I can I wont !!!!!!!!

not until I get the Dot/Dore issue

Edited September 18, 2008 by mossy