Please enlighten me, how many known copies of Arthur Willis?

Thanks

Mark

8 hours ago, Quinvy said:

The one on ebay......can everyone play the sound file, because I can't?

Have you tried the links added by the seller later on?

9 hours ago, Quinvy said:

The one on ebay......can everyone play the sound file, because I can't?

https://www.discogs.com/Arthur-Willis-And-The-Soulful-Dynamics-The-Hurting-Is-Over/release/4435927 works for me..........

Hope this link is allowed:)

Ed

Many thanks, got it now. 

Why not, everybody else has nicked the scan...

Edited November 5, 20168 yr by Mal C

On 4 November 2016 at 12:05, chalky said:

Rod Shard had it first as far as I know and sold it Butch in the 90s.

Andy got the one that came from Barry James and was going to Ian Cunliffe originally.

Brian Wakelin from Blackpool found the copy in Blackpool. That went to Sam.

 

 

Correct Chalky

Mark had it at his disposal to play years before I got it ... As you said in a later post, and I'll interpret your words, he has so many great records so where would he have found the time to introduce it ... He didn't really need to add it to his playlist as it was more than good enough already

andy

JM has a copy up for auction now:

https://www.raresoulman.co.uk/arthur-willis-soul-dynamics-the-hurting-is-over-i-ve-got-to-find-a-way-mars-la-tour-mlt-2051.html

Manship played it at Ashby on Sunday.

Just to add to the label listing. A bit more country music...

 

£5,022 already...

Worth every penny. Go on throw your life savings at it 

Its like a double header...play at a Northern night or a ska night...

20 days to go. Gotta be up at £7k by then.

Or you could buy a nice 200 decent OV collection for the same money with an odd rarity thrown in.

Ed

On 30/05/2009 at 19:56, Benji said:

Sounds like Homer Simpson on a bad day to me...

I just played the audio clip on Manship's site to remind me of the tune and I stick to what I said almost 10 years ago (see above). Awful singer. How this attracts 5K+ bids I just can't get it.

Some records are rare for an obvious reason. They're shite..............

Can think of lots of things to spend this kind of money on , but this awful racket sure ain't one of them , I assume that Master Manship chucked in a big box of Kleenex in with the 45 as the new owner will be needing one and not just for wiping away the tears when his next bank statement arrives ..... !

I'd rather add 1062.2 ten quid tunes to my box than this single 45 ... 

 

 

Edited March 20, 20196 yr by WoodButcher

£10,622 finishing bid on Manship’s auction confirms this is an extremely rare record and a highly desirable one to boot. I for one have enjoyed it out in public when fortunate to hear it spun. I would be more than pleased to own a copy as it is a great sound. The new owner is indeed a very fortunate person.

He could have had a copy in much better condition for a lot less so not so fortunate methinks.

53 minutes ago, WoodButcher said:

He could have had a copy in much better condition for a lot less so not so fortunate methinks.

Sure, the condition could be bettered but where will this spare copy be found cheaply? The buyer is fortunate to have the money and be in a position to make the purchase. Ultimately though, it is an achievement to own records like this.

On 26/02/2019 at 09:49, Billy Jo Jim Bob said:

Manship played it at Ashby on Sunday.

Just to add to the label listing. A bit more country music...

 

There are only four Soul/Funk 45s on the label. Everything else they released is country and bluegrass. 

Edited March 21, 20196 yr by Agent45

So anyway, we're up to what - five copies now?

What year was it released? I noticed it's in stereo.

2 hours ago, simon t said:

What year was it released? I noticed it's in stereo.

Circa '75, give or take.

Must ask my contact in the Carolinas, who is forever finding stuff in thrift stores, to keep an eye out for this one.

Steve Jefferies had one for sale last year in really nice condition 10k.Personally I love the record. Chris. 

11 hours ago, Agent45 said:

So anyway, we're up to what - five copies now?

There was at least four copies by 2009, been the same again at least since then.  One from States recently, this one from John which is apparently a new one to the market.  Be nearer double figure IMO if not more. 

3 hours ago, LiamGP said:

Must ask my contact in the Carolinas, who is forever finding stuff in thrift stores, to keep an eye out for this one.

Plenty already looking and looked.

Edited March 21, 20196 yr by chalky

6 copies now I know of and who owns them, 4 in the UK. Dont know where last nights copy is going to, maybe back to the States. If it stays in the UK its 5 copies then in the UK. 2 of them whole 6 came from the same source (in the States). This auction copy I believe was also recently found in the States (different source than the aforementioned 2).

 

23 minutes ago, Marc Forrest said:

6 copies now I know of and who owns them, 4 in the UK. Dont know where last nights copy is going to, maybe back to the States. If it stays in the UK its 5 copies then in the UK. 2 of them whole 6 came from the same source (in the States). This auction copy I believe was also recently found in the States (different source than the aforementioned 2).

 

kev higham just got one this week too..cheaper and in better shape.. just goes to show tho condition not that important when dealing in northern soul rarities

10 hours ago, Agent45 said:

Circa '75, give or take.

Are we talking about Arthur Willis - as in released in around '75? I would of thought it was a late 60's record?

Amazed if it's from 75!

J

The one Steve Jeffries had, is that the 2016 ebay sale copy or another?  Didn’t he have Sam’s for sale too?

As well as Kev’s recent copy there was another from the States a couplemof weeks ago, plus JM’s, that is three just recently. 

Just now, corbett80 said:

Are we talking about Arthur Willis - as in released in around '75? I would of thought it was a late 60's record?

Amazed if it's from 75!

J

I think the other releases immediately round it are 1972 according to 45cat etc

Edited March 21, 20196 yr by chalky

So would AW be an early to mid 60's recording?

Edited March 21, 20196 yr by corbett80

2 minutes ago, corbett80 said:

Are we talking about Arthur Willis - as in released in around '75? I would of thought it was a late 60's record?

Amazed if it's from 75!

J

 

2 minutes ago, chalky said:

The one Steve Jeffries had, is that the 2016 ebay sale copy or another?  Didn’t he have Sam’s for sale too?

As well as Kev’s recent copy there was another from the States a couplemof weeks ago, plus JM’s, that is three just recently. 

I think the other releases immediately round it are 1962

its a stereo 45 so id say around 1970..i`d be surprised at 1975.. but not early mid 60s for sure

the stan z cole 45 is a comedy record  ..the november 1972 being the release date.. its on MLT 2064.. The releases all seem to fall in line.. i would estimate 1970 or even 71 for athur willis

24 minutes ago, dave pinch said:

 

its a stereo 45 so id say around 1970..i`d be surprised at 1975.. but not early mid 60s for sure

When you look at the full output of the label, particularly the four Soul/Funk records on the label, and consider the studio in Smyrna where it where it was recorded, all in their totality, you'll put this closer to 1975 than 1970. Either way, absolutely, 100% not a 60s record.

2 minutes ago, Agent45 said:

When you look at the full output of the label, particularly the four Soul/Funk records on the label, and consider the studio in Smyrna where it where it was recorded, all in their totality, you'll put this closer to 1975 than 1970. Either way, absolutely, 100% not a 60s record.

see above post it may even be 72...not 75 tho..but yeh 100% not a 60s record

how did this label survive.. must have been trading 10 years on very low sales

Edited March 21, 20196 yr by dave pinch

2 minutes ago, dave pinch said:

the stan z cole 45 is a comedy record  ..the november 1972 being the release date.. its on MLT 2064.. The releases all seem to fall in line.. i would estimate 1970 or even 71 for athur willis

You may have a point, but I'm not entirely sure Carl Queen worked in sequential order.

36 minutes ago, dave pinch said:

 

its a stereo 45 so id say around 1970..i`d be surprised at 1975.. but not early mid 60s for sure

Stereo has been around since the 50s

5 minutes ago, Agent45 said:

You may have a point, but I'm not entirely sure Carl Queen worked in sequential order.

Didn't Ricky Andrews sell to Carl or vice Versa (my old brain has this stored and I can't remember exactly)

On 02/06/2009 at 15:24, Agent45 said:

 

 

YI've personally known of about 5 copies of the Rickey Andrews. T

 

Is that including my copy Agent45? 

2 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

Didn't Ricky Andrews sell to Carl or vice Versa (my old brain has this stored and I can't remember exactly)

Rickey Andrews answered an ad in the paper to record at Perfection Sound, with whom Carl Queen was affiliated at the time. 

2 minutes ago, chalky said:

Stereo has been around since the 50s

of course it has chalky.. but it was lps in the main.. 45s tended to be made in stereo  from around 1968/69 with major labels leading the way

1 minute ago, Steve G said:

Is that including my copy Agent45? 

I have no idea at this point, Steve. 

4 minutes ago, Steve G said:

Is that including my copy Agent45? 

agent dudes original post is 10 years old steve...  been thru ebay over a dozen times plus also a small find around 2011

Edited March 21, 20196 yr by dave pinch

51 minutes ago, chalky said:

The one Steve Jeffries had, is that the 2016 ebay sale copy or another?  Didn’t he have Sam’s for sale too?

As well as Kev’s recent copy there was another from the States a couplemof weeks ago, plus JM’s, that is three just recently. 

I think the other releases immediately round it are 1972 according to 45cat etc

The one Steve Jeffries had and which resides now with Kevin was Soul Sams copy. 6 copies all together.

4 minutes ago, dave pinch said:

agent dudes original post is 10 years old steve...  been thru ebay over a dozen times plus also a small find around 2011

yes, and they came from Ricky himself if I remember correct. Alongside his Next Time version on that yellow label.. No Arthur Willis there and then though..

5 minutes ago, dave pinch said:

agent dudes original post is 10 years old steve...  been thru ebay over a dozen times plus also a small find around 2011

Been through ebay over a dozen times??? Are you counting bootlegs too? I've also seen no evidence of a small find around 2011, only rumor.

1 minute ago, Agent45 said:

Been through ebay over a dozen times??? Are you counting bootlegs too? I've also seen no evidence of a small find around 2011, only rumor.

No Brian. 100% certain

6 minutes ago, Agent45 said:

Been through ebay over a dozen times??? Are you counting bootlegs too? I've also seen no evidence of a small find around 2011, only rumor.

https://www.popsike.com/php/quicksearch.php?searchtext=mars+la+tour&x=22&y=7

this shows a few things from the label... no arthur willis even tho its been thru ebay at least twice..but a few rickey in there..the ones towards the bottom came from the artist.. i wonder if stevie winwood ever got to hear it

Edited March 21, 20196 yr by dave pinch

1 minute ago, dave pinch said:

https://www.popsike.com/php/quicksearch.php?searchtext=mars+la+tour&x=22&y=7

this shows a few things from the label... no arthur willis even tho its been thru ebay at least twice..but a few rickey in there..the ones towards the bottom came from the artist.. i wonder if stevie winwood ever got to hear it

There was one legit AW that went through eBay from the Birmingham dealer. I didn't realize you were talking about Rickey Andrews though hence my questions and confusion.

28 minutes ago, dave pinch said:

of course it has chalky.. but it was lps in the main.. 45s tended to be made in stereo  from around 1968/69 with major labels leading the way

      They were making Stereo 45's in the late 50's/ early 60's. The concept never caught on and did become more widespread in the late 60's -

4 minutes ago, Agent45 said:

There was one legit AW that went through eBay from the Birmingham dealer. I didn't realize you were talking about Rickey Andrews though hence my questions and confusion.

yeh stevie G`s answer to your much older post.. i would agree with chalky tho.. theres probably 10 arthur willis been found..but of course there`s bound to be a few more out there waiting to be..bloody big place you got over there

whatever happened to this copy..started as a high buy it now i think

https://www.popsike.com/NORTHERN-SOUL-HOLY-GRAIL-Arthur-Willis-Soulful-Dynamics-MARS-TOUR/182391660424.html

54 minutes ago, dave pinch said:

see above post it may even be 72...not 75 tho..but yeh 100% not a 60s record

how did this label survive.. must have been trading 10 years on very low sales

 

14 minutes ago, the yank said:

      They were making Stereo 45's in the late 50's/ early 60's. The concept never caught on and did become more widespread in the late 60's -

I always thought the Arthur Willis was circa 68/69 rather than a 70s recording. 

5 minutes ago, Wheelsville1 said:

 

I always thought the Arthur Willis was circa 68/69 rather than a 70s recording. 

the whole label appear to be 70s creations chris........ the 60s diehards could be using AW as a frizbee as we speak