Bigsoulman Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 Are you guys and gals fed up with the media telling you that James Brown is the godfather of soul?, what do you think, personaly psuedos know shit all about soul music so they say the first thing that comes into their thick heads, James had some nice soulful tunes in the early days and a couple in the 70s but I would draw the line between funk and mainstream soul, Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 Watching his 'performance' on Jonathon Ross the other night, I think you would be paying these days only to be in the same room as him. It's a definition of soul question I suppose? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 "NO" Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dan Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 No Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
chrissie Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 NIMO QoF xx Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Karen Heath Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 No.....and he has silly hair. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simsy Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 Funk maybe, but deffo not soul. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
chrissie Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 No.....and he has silly hair. link Very silly hair!!!! QoF xx Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest mrs norman maine Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 No.....and he has silly hair. link it's not hair, it's a pompadour! definitely EN-OH Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gary Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 No. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simsy Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 Whilst we're on an anti JB vibe, he's a wife beater and knocked Tammi Tyrell about when he was seeing her. :angry: Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 Funk maybe, but deffo not soul. link When no whould have been enough,what are you a politition.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simsy Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 When no whould have been enough,what are you a politition.... link I refer the honourable gentleman to the statement I gave earlier Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Richard Bergman Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 No - bit of a clown - like the Harlem Globetrotter of Soul music Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 Whilst we're on an anti JB vibe, he's a wife beater and knocked Tammi Tyrell about when he was seeing her. :angry: link Where did you hear that? Wasn't it supposed to have been david Ruffin who did that? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Liamgp Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 It's just lazy journalism. I personally always refer to JB as the 'The Minister of New New Super Heavy Funk' Much more catchy. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 Is he fcuk Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Bigsoulman Posted July 6, 2005 Author Share Posted July 6, 2005 Whilst we're on an anti JB vibe, he's a wife beater and knocked Tammi Tyrell about when he was seeing her. :angry: link Think you're getting mixed up with David Ruffin and its Tammi Terrell thank you very much Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
SteveM Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 Think you're getting mixed up with David Ruffin and its Tammi Terrell thank you very much link She did see JB for a while. Think he's right. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 Think you're getting mixed up with David Ruffin and its Tammi Terrell thank you very much link James used to preach abstanance,but do the opposit big fraud if you ask me! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 She did see JB for a while. Think he's right. link She did see them both but it was Ruffin who was alleged to have knocked her about. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
simonb Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 No - but I love most of his pre 75 output. Fu**ing brilliant. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Bigsoulman Posted July 6, 2005 Author Share Posted July 6, 2005 James used to preach abstanance,but do the opposit big fraud if you ask me! link Defo one of the biggest hypocrits of all time, preach love peace and understanding then go out beat the wife up and shoot at police not forgetting a line up or ten Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
simonb Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 Defo one of the biggest hypocrits of all time, preach love peace and understanding then go out beat the wife up and shoot at police not forgetting a line up or ten link That's bullshit - he lived the life of a thousand Soulmen - When you're sat in another culture and another circumstance its easy to pass judgment. Whats you're background? I'm not saying these things are right, I'm saying circumstance shapes us. Simon Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Bigsoulman Posted July 6, 2005 Author Share Posted July 6, 2005 That's bullshit - he lived the life of a thousand Soulmen - When you're sat in another culture and another circumstance its easy to pass judgment. Whats you're background? I'm not saying these things are right, I'm saying circumstance shapes us. Simon link Whats bullshit? :angry: any person that has Brown's stature in America surely can't be allowed to violate everything he has preached, especially with drugs and guns, he's preached in thousands of schools all over the States about the missuse of these things and telling people to give it up then goes out and does the exact opposite of what he's supposed to be all about, now thats bullshit! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
simonb Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 Whats bullshit? :angry: any person that has Brown's stature in America surely can't be allowed to violate everything he has preached, especially with drugs and guns, he's preached in thousands of schools all over the States about the missuse of these things and telling people to give it up then goes out and does the exact opposite of what he's supposed to be all about, now thats bullshit! link That sums up over 50% of anyone with any stature in America - he's no different - that's why saying he's "Defo one of the biggest hypocrites of all time" is indeed Bullshit. How about BUSH? Or for that matter any of Europe's Royalty or the Catholic church? it's a bullshit statement that's why I said Bullshit. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest remus Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 Are you guys and gals fed up with the media telling you that James Brown is the godfather of soul?, what do you think, personaly psuedos know shit all about soul music so they say the first thing that comes into their thick heads, James had some nice soulful tunes in the early days and a couple in the 70s but I would draw the line between funk and mainstream soul, link Is he f***,........whats his hair all about! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest remus Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 Where did you hear that? Wasn't it supposed to have been david Ruffin who did that? link so did I! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Bigsoulman Posted July 6, 2005 Author Share Posted July 6, 2005 (edited) That sums up over 50% of anyone with any stature in America - he's no different - that's why saying he's "Defo one of the biggest hypocrites of all time" is indeed Bullshit. How about BUSH? Or for that matter any of Europe's Royalty or the Catholic church? it's a bullshit statement that's why I said Bullshit. link Lets not get into a political debate for gawds sake, the thread WAS about his music so lets just agree with our own conclusions Edited July 6, 2005 by BIGSOULMAN Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
simonb Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 Lets not get into a political debate for gawds sake, the thread WAS about his music so lets just agree with our own conclusions link Agree Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Soulpower Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 I am surprised about the level of ignorance and disrespect towards James Brown's legacy on this site. While a title like "Godfather of Soul" may sound silly, his impact on american black music culture and especially soul music is incredibly huge. To limit his influence to the funk movement is cutting his wings off ... after all, he was "Soulbrother No. 1" seven or eight years before he was labeled "Godfather of Soul". You may not like his music, his behaviour towards women, his hair .. but that doesn't make his musical impact less valid. By reading the messages on this site, sometimes I believe that many of you have a musical taste that is way too eclectic for Soul music in it's original understanding. If something doesn't fit the "northern" category, it doesn't fit at all. But each and every one who has lived soul culture where it was born will agree with me that James Brown is indeed the Godfather of Soul (although again, the titel sounds funny). Does he have a beautiful voice? No. But he doesn't have to. Does he have soul? What a question. His singing used to be more soulful than that of many of the so-called "northern soul" artists (who I often find very pop-ish and shallow) combined. James Brown is raw, natural, gutbucket soul music. I really feel that some of you dis the man because he is popular and because within the past two decades, sort of became a copy of himself. But he is still around, playing 100 shows a year at 74 years. He is James Brown after all. And soul music wouldn't be the same without him. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
simonb Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 Two of my all time favs are :- Prisoner of Love THis Guy This Girls in love (with Lyn Collins) So, So Soulful Simon Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Bigsoulman Posted July 6, 2005 Author Share Posted July 6, 2005 I am surprised about the level of ignorance and disrespect towards James Brown's legacy on this site. While a title like "Godfather of Soul" may sound silly, his impact on american black music culture and especially soul music is incredibly huge. To limit his influence to the funk movement is cutting his wings off ... after all, he was "Soulbrother No. 1" seven or eight years before he was labeled "Godfather of Soul". You may not like his music, his behaviour towards women, his hair .. but that doesn't make his musical impact less valid. By reading the messages on this site, sometimes I believe that many of you have a musical taste that is way too eclectic for Soul music in it's original understanding. If something doesn't fit the "northern" category, it doesn't fit at all. But each and every one who has lived soul culture where it was born will agree with me that James Brown is indeed the Godfather of Soul (although again, the titel sounds funny). Does he have a beautiful voice? No. But he doesn't have to. Does he have soul? What a question. His singing used to be more soulful than that of many of the so-called "northern soul" artists (who I often find very pop-ish and shallow) combined. James Brown is raw, natural, gutbucket soul music. I really feel that some of you dis the man because he is popular and because within the past two decades, sort of became a copy of himself. But he is still around, playing 100 shows a year at 74 years. He is James Brown after all. And soul music wouldn't be the same without him. link I do agree with what you say mate and I really do like him, the thread did run off the rails a bit but the original point I was making is that there is a line between funk and soul, i'm not a great lover of funk but Brown's output is very good, but to call him the godfather does'nt gel with me, but then again....who is?, my fave tracks from JB are- Night Train Out Of Sight I Got you Papa's Got A Brand New Bag Its A Mans Mans World Soul Power People Wake Up And Live Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 I am surprised about the level of ignorance and disrespect towards James Brown's legacy on this site. ..... link its a place for discussion, where people can put up their views on all sorts thats all Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest hammy Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 I dunno why people are laughing at his hair either - i've always wanted my hair to go like that. Hammy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Bigsoulman Posted July 6, 2005 Author Share Posted July 6, 2005 I dunno why people are laughing at his hair either - i've always wanted my hair to go like that. Hammy link You get your hair like that boyo and you'll not catch me within 10 miles of the alldayer! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 You get your hair like that boyo and you'll not catch me within 10 miles of the alldayer! link I don't know, it would make me more likely to go Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dan Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 I am surprised about the level of ignorance and disrespect towards James Brown's legacy on this site. While a title like "Godfather of Soul" may sound silly, his impact on american black music culture and especially soul music is incredibly huge. To limit his influence to the funk movement is cutting his wings off ... after all, he was "Soulbrother No. 1" seven or eight years before he was labeled "Godfather of Soul". You may not like his music, his behaviour towards women, his hair .. but that doesn't make his musical impact less valid. By reading the messages on this site, sometimes I believe that many of you have a musical taste that is way too eclectic for Soul music in it's original understanding. If something doesn't fit the "northern" category, it doesn't fit at all. But each and every one who has lived soul culture where it was born will agree with me that James Brown is indeed the Godfather of Soul (although again, the titel sounds funny). Does he have a beautiful voice? No. But he doesn't have to. Does he have soul? What a question. His singing used to be more soulful than that of many of the so-called "northern soul" artists (who I often find very pop-ish and shallow) combined. James Brown is raw, natural, gutbucket soul music. I really feel that some of you dis the man because he is popular and because within the past two decades, sort of became a copy of himself. But he is still around, playing 100 shows a year at 74 years. He is James Brown after all. And soul music wouldn't be the same without him. link where do you get your serious pills, mate? i could do with half a dozen, i've been far too happy lately. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Soulpower Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 where do you get your serious pills, mate? i could do with half a dozen, i've been far too happy lately. link I have a great sense of humour, bro. But when I read the responsed on this thread on a soul site, I start to loose it. Why does a musical discussion have to go into someone's hairdo and psychic issues? And why do people have to categorize music so much? I believe when someone is actually quite serious by saying that JB is not a soul singer buy "northern soul"-standards, then it's ridiculous. And on this very thread, this is not an exceptional opinion, but the idea that the majority of posters have on James Brown. I find this quite disturbing on a site called "soul source" ... It's ok to not like his voice, hair, personal matters and even music .. but to claim that he doesn't deserve the title "Godfather of Soul" (that was given to him not by the media, but by DJs).. if you claim that his impact on soul music is not siginficant enough for the praise he got, then you seriously need to check your own musical credentials. It's not the media that made James Brown "Soulbrother No 1" .. it`s his people. No black artist in the 60s has touched the African American culture as he did ... his impact on soul music was simply tremendous ... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Soulpower Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 its a place for discussion, where people can put up their views on all sorts thats all link Oh, that's okay .. and so do I But seriously, it's about James Brown's music and not about his hair ... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Soulpower Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 I do agree with what you say mate and I really do like him, the thread did run off the rails a bit but the original point I was making is that there is a line between funk and soul, i'm not a great lover of funk but Brown's output is very good, but to call him the godfather does'nt gel with me, but then again....who is?, my fave tracks from JB are- Night Train Out Of Sight I Got you Papa's Got A Brand New Bag Its A Mans Mans World Soul Power People Wake Up And Live link See, this is where we disagree, bro ... it's all Soul. Funk is just a different way to deliver it. A more dynamic way. But in James Brown's music, Soul and Funk still go hand in hand ... they are inseperable .. and I don't know any soul singer or musician who would make that difference like y'all do ... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 Oh, that's okay .. and so do I But seriously, it's about James Brown's music and not about his hair ... link edited Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dan Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 See, this is where we disagree, bro ... it's all Soul. Funk is just a different way to deliver it. link and so is, say, heavy metal, presumably? like most, though not all, acts who achieve worldwide recognition in any field, JB has been elevated by the media and the soundbite-ists to a level way beyond what he really merits. some good stuff but all very samey to my ears. don't think anyone doubts he's soulful, just disputing whether he is the 'godfather' of soul. he's the godfather of crystal-meth induced, firearm-waving, police-chasing auto-felonies, that's for sure (and also of BBC 5 Live Live8 soundbites). it's a redundant argument, anyway - lots of great singers, all have their off days and most produce some awesome music. but as it goes i'd put (plucking from the air) garland green above james brown. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dayo Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 JB pretty much got me into soul music when I was a teen. I heard Live At The Apollo Vol 2 and it turned my world upside down. The Godfather? I dunno. It's just a silly made up marketing name. The guy has soul by the bucket though. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Soulpower Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 (edited) and so is, say, heavy metal, presumably? like most, though not all, acts who achieve worldwide recognition in any field, JB has been elevated by the media and the soundbite-ists to a level way beyond what he really merits. some good stuff but all very samey to my ears. don't think anyone doubts he's soulful, just disputing whether he is the 'godfather' of soul. he's the godfather of crystal-meth induced, firearm-waving, police-chasing auto-felonies, that's for sure (and also of BBC 5 Live Live8 soundbites). it's a redundant argument, anyway - lots of great singers, all have their off days and most produce some awesome music. but as it goes i'd put (plucking from the air) garland green above james brown. link Your heavy-metal analogy doesn't quite work because it stands for a completely different cultural background. Soul culture is one specific culture, and Funk is a natural element of it. And I am talking about the soul culture in it's original meaning ... the African-American culture, not some Europeans (no offense, I'm European myself) who think that soul culture is reduced to northern soul, rare 45s, mod-hairstyles and riding vintage scooters (playing with stereotypes now, but you get the idea). Sure, James Brown has lived a turbulant life, and he is no saint by far .. but which soul singer is? Otis wasn't, Marvin wasn`t, and I'm sure that Garland Green wasn't either -- you just didn't hear about it because they didn't get the media attention James Brown got. So his private life and his troubles have nothing to do with his label as the Godfather of Soul. At least it shouldn't, but you obviously make it an issue here. Sam Cooke was a pimp, the Isley's had regular shoot-outs with rivals, George McCrae was a bigtime wife-beater and coke-addict... tell me who was clean pure? And I would agree, James Brown is not the BEST soul singer .. but he is the one with the most impact. A whole modern musical soul culture has been inspired and evben shaped by him .. and he even had a significant poolitical impact upon his culture which still can be felt today. He's everywhere in modern sould culture, while most of the other one-hit or no-hit wonders have faded into obscurity, which is why James Brown and nobody else is the Godfather of Soul. Edited July 6, 2005 by Soulpower Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Soulpower Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 The Godfather? I dunno. It's just a silly made up marketing name. The guy has soul by the bucket though. link That sums it up. Watch some James Brown live footage from the 1960s ... he kicked everybody's ass back then. People were frightended because his act was so tight and powerful. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 It's a definition of soul question I suppose? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
jocko Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 It's a definition of soul question I suppose? link Its yet another UK made question though, most Americans would be mystified by our genrefying (is that a word? it is now!) and analysing sub cultures of black music. I assumed Soul Power was American because he made some great points (must add some smilies or Dan will pick on me as this does read a bit serious ) I personally dont listen to much James Brown personally but his influence on soul music as an evolving culture (in America now, not Wigan or darkest Yorkshire etc. ) is huge, how he handled his business etc. I think this is a good example of how we into Northern sometimes forget about the wider world of soul, and Mr Brown is a major player in that, Not sure I totally agree with Dayos point however about the title being totally media driven, from what I read Mr Brown was (and still is by recent evidence) very keen on being known as the greatest and marketing himself as such, and also wasn't slow at sacking people who didn't go along. Musically his finest moment for me was Georgia On My Mind where he turns it into a magical example of deep soul at its most tortured, again not too relevant to Northern but if your tastes are wider its worth a listen. Now onto the who invented funk question..... the UK media discuss! Cheers Jock Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 A UK made question maybe Jocko, but only beacause some of the answers on here have made it that. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 And I would agree, James Brown is not the BEST soul singer .. but he is the one with the most impact. A whole modern musical soul culture has been inspired and evben shaped by him .. and he even had a significant poolitical impact upon his culture which still can be felt today. He's everywhere in modern sould culture, while most of the other one-hit or no-hit wonders have faded into obscurity, which is why James Brown and nobody else is the Godfather of Soul. link Well its between him & M Jackson then the way you put it?,what a choise Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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