was waiting for some one to start something like this but guess aint coming..

so as had a 'active' over rated thread

how about a under rated one

45s that maybe for reasons say such as availability have never really had the acclaim that you think deserved.....

Blimey! your beyond help.

u mean me?

Young Folk - Lonely Girl - Mar V Lus

a £15 cheapie thats as good as almost anything I've ever heard

or miss madelaine....

teddy greene,cry on capital is a fantastic double sider,

Re The Vipers,not sure, I got it in a soul pack many years ago, always thought it had something, even more so for these days. seems it's quite hard in good nick?

steve

lead singer is Billy Brown of the moments

Already had a couple of Bobby's mentioned, but I think this is his most under rated 45....

Ultimations is magic too!

Does under rated automatically = cheap?

It's almost a case of inverted snobbery at times it seems whereby once the 'rare' tag is attached and/or something is expensive it's automatically deemed by some to be sh*t lol.

Anyone with a bit of commitment and one ear has always been able to build a collection of quality original records without going bust haven't they?

For me, the thread also underlines that its not necessarily about trying to be 'progressive' all the time either. Looking back pays dividends too I always think

A very good point Phil, particularly with reference to "inverted snobbery", and whilst certainly not criticising the rare element with regards to playlists in general, it only goes to prove by virtue of a lot of the 45's featured, that there are many great records that stay under the radar purely because they are deemed "cheap"......Great thread once again I might add

Edited July 28, 201213 yr by wilxy

Already had a couple of Bobby's mentioned, but I think this is his most under rated 45....

I'd still reckon this to be my favourite by Bobby

Tony

This thread highlights just why most soul nights and allnighters are rubbish. Appart from a couple, these are records that should never be played "out" they're simply not good enough to get people excited, and dancing. That's why they are cheap.

Looking at both threads (underrated and overrated records) and looking at the people who like or hate certain records, I think part of the problem is that people are using two different criteria to judge the records. Obviously this is not an absolute split and the only criteria people are using, but I think some people are judging records as "northern soul" tracks and others are judging records as "soul" tracks. These are obviously two very different things.

king curtis- footpattin= on atco, i thought this was jnr walker when i first heard it

This thread highlights just why most soul nights and allnighters are rubbish. Appart from a couple, these are records that should never be played "out" they're simply not good enough to get people excited, and dancing. That's why they are cheap.

They are cheap because they are not rare !!! There are plenty of overrated records that are expensive - plenty of records been played on the scene that are simply "not good enough" - that never stopped them from being played !!!

This thread highlights just why most soul nights and allnighters are rubbish. Appart from a couple, these are records that should never be played "out" they're simply not good enough to get people excited, and dancing. That's why they are cheap.

You're right to a certain extent Phil.But the remit for this thread is "Underated",in any genre.? These tunes aren't meant to represent a soul night or allnighter are they? Horses for course and all that Phil.

This thread highlights just why most soul nights and allnighters are rubbish. Appart from a couple, these are records that should never be played "out" they're simply not good enough to get people excited, and dancing. That's why they are cheap.

not sure the cheap aspect has any baring mate....your nighter was/is so bloody good because of the great cheap records that got/get played along with the quality rare stuff.....and in fact it has been that very fact that does excite the folk there.....in the main as long as they're upbeat and maintain the vibe they are super tunes...As i,ve said time and again.......play going out soul records out and staying in soul records indoors....and car soul ....yep in the car lol.........only when someone trys to change this simple maxim do they fail

Edited July 29, 201213 yr by gordon russell

Blockbuster - The Sweet

This thread highlights just why most soul nights and allnighters are rubbish. Appart from a couple, these are records that should never be played "out" they're simply not good enough to get people excited, and dancing. That's why they are cheap.

Didn't think you went anywhere anymore Phil?

The topic isn't about what should or shouldn't be played at a soul night or an all-nighter, just simply under-rated records, for whatever reason. And since when has cheap = crap? Not everyone is driven by rarity and value. Some of the worst records played on this scene are expensive. Pure snobbery from many promoters and DJ's.

I can't understand why some feel the need to come on every topic and complain about something that is supposed to be a bit of fun.

Blockbuster - The Sweet

eh?

I knew that Miss Madeline was in the Young Folks, but only having her version I didn't realise it was the same recording.

ATB

Tony

Yep same recording but the plus side for the Miss Madeine 45 is the flip "Behave Your self' another nice track..

...since when has cheap = crap? Not everyone is driven by rarity and value. Some of the worst records played on this scene are expensive. Pure snobbery from many promoters and DJ's.

Hallelujah! A great record is a great record - cheap, expensive, rare, available or unachievable for most..

Here's an example of a 5 quid record that speaks for itself:

Didn't think you went anywhere anymore Phil?

The topic isn't about what should or shouldn't be played at a soul night or an all-nighter, just simply under-rated records, for whatever reason. And since when has cheap = crap? Not everyone is driven by rarity and value. Some of the worst records played on this scene are expensive. Pure snobbery from many promoters and DJ's.

I can't understand why some feel the need to come on every topic and complain about something that is supposed to be a bit of fun.

here here well said that man

Strange that..........I thought the thread was about under rated records from a played out perspective? Hence people saying things like "never hear this played these days" How can a record be "rated" if it isn't played out?

On my comment about price, you have misunderstood my point. There are many records out there that are very common, yet have a very high value, why? because they are fantastic and everybody wants to own them. Occasionally, a cheap record gets a few plays and bang, it has a reaction. Said record disappears and the price goes through the roof. It's the same record it always was and is still a common record but everyone is looking for it, so it becomes hard to find. I like a cheap record as much as the next guy, in fact there are a lot of "big money rarities" that I wouldn't give tuppence for.

The fact is, there are too many people Dj'ing who don't have any taste, and wouldn't know a dance record if it hit them in the head. And that Chalky is why I don't go out anymore.

Try and remember it's supposed to be a DANCE scene.

Edited July 29, 201213 yr by Quinvy

Strange that..........I thought the thread was about under rated records from a played out perspective?

I didn't think that to be honest, just thought it was about underrated records full stop.

Here's a rare one that is totally underrated and absolutely fantastic

There are plenty DJing with taste playing dance music from cheap to expensive but you wouldn't know that not having been out for a long time? You speak as though you know better than anyone else?

Too many of late seem to like nothing better than drag a topic down in my PERSONAL opinion.

Like I said this topic is a bit of fun and simply about the music so just for once can we leave the the politics about DJ's and promoters with no taste for another topic.

Yep same recording but the plus side for the Miss Madeine 45 is the flip "Behave Your self' another nice track..

Thought I said that

T

I didn't think that to be honest, just thought it was about underrated records full stop.

Here's a rare one that is totally underrated and absolutely fantastic

Still gets plays Pete, Andy Dyson plays it occasionally and off course it was a Dean/Kitch cover up early 90's.

Hallelujah! A great record is a great record - cheap, expensive, rare, available or unachievable for most..

Here's an example of a 5 quid record that speaks for itself:

Another Great tune from Faith Hope and Charity--No trespassin- on Sussex, absolutel Van McCoy magic..

Tony

three more that I think are underated but I dont go out much these days so might not be anymore

the jackson brothers, I've got to hear it from you.providence

zz hill, what more,kent

the brothers cain,sure is groovy.atac

ZZ Hill went in my play box couple of weeks ago, other side good as well.

Because they're cheap, less people know them as they haven't had the exposure - duh.

It was a rhetorical question Pete.

three more that I think are underated but I dont go out much these days so might not be anymore

the jackson brothers, I've got to hear it from you.providence

zz hill, what more,kent

the brothers cain,sure is groovy.atac

Ahhh, how the devil are you mate?

Jackson Bros and Bros Cain always in my box pal. Get yourself out, I miss your optimism.

Wasn't Jackson Bros originally covered up as Rufus Lumley or sommat ike that? Heard it out last night actually and still sounds great. Bros Cain was an old Rob Marriott c/u wasn't it?

Speaking of 'ZZ' (or another one) always thought this would have been a staple on the scene today but seems to hardly get a mention.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvuUrVTkhrc

Wasn't Jackson Bros originally covered up as Rufus Lumley or sommat ike that?

Jackson Brothers was Rufus Lumley "Somebody Told Me"......Keb!

Jackson Brothers was Rufus Lumley "Somebody Told Me"......Keb!

Bros Cain was 'Moses and Joshua' ??? Didn't Jesse S have spins around that time too? Top record!

Edited July 29, 201213 yr by PhilT

Speaking of 'ZZ' (or another one) always thought this would have been a staple on the scene today but seems to hardly get a mention.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvuUrVTkhrc

Yep, there were loads like this at the time. Big, big records with a very short shelf life. A similar example being the great Tommy Tate one hundred mile an hourer - You taught me how to love.

Bros Cain was 'Moses and Joshua' ??? Didn't Jesse S have spins around that time too? Top record!

Jesse S...Slaughter? Yep Guy at Stafford, Lee Valentine cover up.

A few of my underrated sounds at the budget end.

Love,guess who. Martha Reeves & Vandellas. Gordy

No stranger to love. Inez & Charlie Foxx. Musicor

Stealing love. The Emotions. Volt

Trustin in you. Patti la Belle & Bluebelles. Atlantic

The Whoo pee. Joe Simon. VJ

Ain't it the truth. Mary Wells. 20th Century

Gotta get to know you. Bobby Bland. Duke

I need you now. Tata Vega. Tamla

Thank your mother. Edward Hamilton & Arabians. Mary Jane

Sold on you. Johnny Moore. Bright Starr

Soul Galore Brum

Late to this so not had chance to read them all just yet,so sorry if some of these have already been mentioned.........

Darrow Fletcher - I Like The Way I Feel Revue

Ann Peebles-Slipped,Tripped & Fell In Love Hi

Millie Jackson - Breakaway Spring

Ollie Jackson - Just A Little While Pepper

Benny Poole-Pearl.Baby Pearl Solid Hit

Chambers Brothers - My Baby Takes Care Of Business Columbia

Gene McDaniels - Sweet Lover No More Columbia

Cheers

Martyn

Sorry if this one has been posted

Great 45 played by Keb in the 80s

On Pay and Delores

Al H

Fair enough, I'll fcuk off now and leave you all to it.

the steinways, you"ve been leading me on/ my hearts not in it anymore

Ahhh, how the devil are you mate?

Jackson Bros and Bros Cain always in my box pal. Get yourself out, I miss your optimism.

Wasn't Jackson Bros originally covered up as Rufus Lumley or sommat ike that? Heard it out last night actually and still sounds great. Bros Cain was an old Rob Marriott c/u wasn't it?

I will get to your do one day phil the play list look very good

how about

gino, its only a paper moon,golden crest

the monorays, love, 20th century

shades of jade is it wrong,cenco

Fair enough, I'll fcuk off now and leave you all to it.

Go on then.

LOL

Speaking of 'ZZ' (or another one) always thought this would have been a staple on the scene today but seems to hardly get a mention.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvuUrVTkhrc

Thank God

Thank God

I knew you'd be lurking somewhere Smiffy.

every time i hear that zz and company song i think it's going to be this song (which is awesome) and am always disappointed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5eSMDtDfCo

I will get to your do one day phil the play list look very good

how about

gino, its only a paper moon,golden crest

the monorays, love, 20th century

shades of jade is it wrong,cenco

The only tune I can live with from these is 'Shades Of Jade' for the intro, as for the others each to their own, but "it's Only A Paper Moon' cost me a ton in the mid-eighties and I still don't know why I bought the thing - c'est la vie!

Jesse S...Slaughter? Yep Guy at Stafford, Lee Valentine cover up.

The Jesse S, to my ears, is just about perfect for the more progressive venues and certainly a 45 favoured in Europe - great tune..

One that had bypassed me till about 3 years back & was chuffed to bits to pick a m- promo up for $20 off the net. ..... Thought I read somewhere it was a 'Torch' tune initially? ...... As you say though Joan... Fantastic!

I'll take your word for it because despite appearance to the contrary the Torch was waaayyy before my time

every time i hear that zz and company song i think it's going to be this song (which is awesome) and am always disappointed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5eSMDtDfCo

not one of his best bob...prefer broths gonna work it out now that is awesome imo

always loved this