where is ns gonna be in15-20 years time if young soulies are not encouraged in the scene? how about soul event organisers seeking out out and giving spots to young uns at events.

isnt it time we started to look at the future before its too late?

Where I work there are 20 year olds on exactly the same money as me, I can guarantee with very few exceptions they all have much more left over than me after outgoings, drive nicer cars,and enjoy nicer holidays,

 

It all depends where on an individuals list of priorities they place original records, and what they are prepared to sacrifice in order to fund them,

Pete. At twenty you don't have a list of priorities. You just do what ever. I know I did  and I think the majority would. 

 

Steve

Pete. At twenty you don't have a list of priorities. You just do what ever. I know I did and I think the majority would.

Steve

Steve at 20 when deciding if you want to go on holiday or buy a car or go to the pub every night or spend all your cash on designer clothes or just save up to get your own place you will be putting whatever you choose to do at the top of your list of priorities

I've had a right good dance to many a WYS set.

About 4 years ago Ste Gaskell spun Tribulations - You gave me up for promises at a 45 Caratsoul event (Harold club visitors might remember it) and the WYS adopted the tune, when they spin it lots of us oldies get off of our seats and onto the dancefloor.

Other tunes they often spin include Patti Austin - Music to my heart, Bill Cosby - Little ole man, Johnny Moore - Walk like a man & Bobby Paris - night owl. Thinking about those tunes makes me wish I was 35 years younger.

If they play the odd second issue forgive em - they are entertaining us and playing tunes outside the NS top 100.

 

As a child I never was one for train spotting, as an adult I am not keen on OV spotting. It's the set that matters; good linkage between good dancing tunes it the key for me.

'Its about the beat for my feet that is really important'

KTF

Double edged sword though - it's alright saying you should do your own thing, but what if your audience don't like your thing and they like the thing they've always liked! Hence the repetitive playlists.

But surely you're just then playing what others want to hear rather than what you like?

Why would an aspiring dj ever get booked based on those values?

I suppose the oldies scene is a totally different animal and originality isn't as important as keeping the punters happy with what they want to hear.

Totally different to the rare scene where originality is usually, not always but usually, important.

Suppose I'm just a sucker for a proper leftfield dj. Other people like the same tunes week in week out. Difficult to try and debate this with so many diffetent views.

I've just trawled through this thread and one response nailed it (can't recall who) but in essence age is immaterial, it's the quality in your box that trumps everything, together with an ability to put a set together (although IMO this is secondary and comes with experience). Here in Australia there are plenty of emerging young 'uns just as enthusiastic about collecting OVO as we were 30/40 years ago and they are all rostered on a regular basis. Only trouble is, they don't seem to realise how fucked our knees are

I don't understand why it is deemed necessary to get youngsters DJing to make tem feel involved, wanted, loved or whatever it is that is wanted. They go to venues for the music and to dance don't they, or look through sales and generally be part of the night.  

 

Myself and most like me had to start at the bottom when we were youngsters, we had to show we we willing and we were also up against some formidable incumbents behind the decks at the time.  I progressed from local soul nights to soul nights further afield as both my knowledge and collection grew, nighters took a long time to get a booking at, nothing was handed to me on a plate, i had to work at it.

 

But if I had never Dj'ed or if I never Dj again it wouldn't bother me as that isn't what I am in this for.

Hi Tolbert,

 

I only started collecting around 3 years ago, this was predominantly latin/funk records. So don't have a playlist from then, nor after as I like a shandy or two whilst spinning tunes.

 

Hope that helps 

As somebody who attends nights I don't really care about the dj's age or about where he played before.. 

I don't agree. I quite liked that playlist, and if Jordan is playing these too a 'young' audience, they won't know half of them.  They'll be like newies.

 

That's the nub of it, if I was 20 the thought of djing to a load of 50-60+ year olds would not be an attractive proposition in the slightest. But playing those records to people in their 20's would be fantastic, as Pete says - they would be new to their ears.

 

Why bother trying to get the acceptance of a load of grumpy b*ggers who have heard everything there is to hear over the last 40 years? Take the music somewhere new, have an over 35 age ban, stop mimicking what I wore in 1974 and find your own thing.

 

Somebody said earlier that they would start their own night for people their age but there is no demand - how do they know? Start one (not in a working mens club either), play music that gets young people dancing, enjoy yourselves and forget what has gone on for the last 40-odd years cos it is stale.

An aside to the above, the posts from Europeans about what they do in Europe show one thing - they do not have the baggage that goes with a scene that started in the 70's - they are influenced by it but find their own way. From my limited experience the scene(s) in Europe have a much younger average age group and consequently no nostalgia section so their scene(s) have evolved in a much different way, probably now influencing what gets played in the UK to some extent.

 

I think youngsters in the UK are far too influenced by what went on in the UK in the 70's and that is why when people list their sets they look like oldies sets.

 

Just an observation

Isn't the thought of being in your late teens/twenties and wanting to impress people twice/three times your age, the most uninspiring perspective you could have?

 

Finally there is interest from this age group and people are too bothered about how to hand the baton down, "in my day we started from the bottom...", bloomin eck, what a boring story, seriously who cares?

 

I'd say to start your own night but there is so many nights going on that it's not even worth it. Seriously, just go out and have a good time, dance your arse off, chat with people, they're more likely to offer you a spot if they like you rather than seeing a playlist. One main point is, if you are young then don't differentiate going out to a soul club then you would any other club, be respectful and bring your mates (and plenty of birds because God knows we need them) but treat it in a way that it becomes an inviting place for everyone rather than just some underground cult.

 

Bottom line is I can imagine that apart from these differences musically on the soul scene, we all know that this is the best music ever written & recorded. It needs to be promoted in a certain manner to sustain a healthy interest and not in the way that you get some odd looking people on the one show or you make a look a like reissue to cash in on a rare record - but in a way that shines some positive and sophisticated light on it.

Edited April 17, 201411 yr by The Milk Man

I was young when I started reading this thread.

 

 

Peter

This is the conundrum the Northern scene has faced since about 1975, maybe even much earlier. If new blood is coming on the scene at any time there's always a fantastic wealth of 'back catalogue' to get into. How do you ignore great, great records which you're hearing for the first time?

 

No-one ever landed knowing everything. In the beginning they're all 'newies' to young ears in a sense. I know when I started in the early 80s there was something of a backlash against what were seen in some quarters as the excesses of the 70s. The manifesto seemed to be be 'no oldies and no pop'. 

 

In retrospect I wasted a lot of money collecting flavour of the month newies, unknowns and the current modern soul of the time. I wish I'd picked up things like The Salvadors, Don Varner, Lou Pride, The Del Larks–and on and on–at mid-1980s prices. I also wish I could have admitted to myself that a lot of the pop monsters of the then recent past–like Jay Traynor and others–were just great records.

 

Some of those 'Building Block Records' are just undeniably good.

 

They're not the be-and-end-all, however. There should always be room for some innovation and progression. In order to innovate or progress you've got to start from a firm foundation. Knowledge and good taste. You can't really buy either. They can only be acquired through bitter experience and a willingness to learn. As the pool of yet-to-be-discovered vintage soul has got smaller and smaller I think it's crazy that the DJ ranks have swollen in inverse proportion.

 

Qualifying all the above I've never really been a DJ and never wanted to be. I'd imagine that starting out now with the intention of being a disc jockey on the rare soul scene (without first being a dancer and/or collector) would be daunting, not to mention slightly pointless. I wouldn't stand behind the decks at a proper allnighter unless I was confident that very few people in the room could play my set. Otherwise what is the point?

 

You've got to be ruthless about the quality of what you're playing. I think that genuinely only comes from being around the scene for a period of time. Immersing yourself in the history on one hand and keeping an ear to the ground for genuinely fresh material on the other.

I suppose this THREAD could run and run, we all had to start somewhere.  but I do know at the age of 15+ in the early 70s; A lot of the records I purchased from Mail order lists /Venues/etc. turned out to be boots and pressings, and it didn't seem to important at that time, after resuming my love for the music years later (Army/ Wife/ Kids/ House/Car) it took me a long time to understand the importance to replace those records for the real deal!  but that's what you do, improve as you go on. It can be expensive we all know to buy the in-demand tunes, but there's some great records out there for a lot less money. With the Internet to buy and being able to listen to so many sounds on youtube. it's a great time for the young up in coming DJ's to put there own Input on the scene.Just do it. Rod

Edited April 17, 201411 yr by Rodders22

Steve at 20 when deciding if you want to go on holiday or buy a car or go to the pub every night or spend all your cash on designer clothes or just save up to get your own place you will be putting whatever you choose to do at the top of your list of priorities

Pete. With respect mate. They're not priorities, they're things you do. In no particular order.  I didn't make a list of what I wanted, things just happened in whatever order they turned up.

 

Steve

OK guys, i'm happy to read some refreshing responses after all.....

 

i'm out of this discussion after i got a mail from an older english guy who is and was really important for the uk scene who says that i should give up, these people will never get it. he tries it since years.....

 

so how does that sound to you peeps?? 

For me it's depressing to be honest. the ones that build up the scene many years ago are now dinosaurs with a one track mind that dont get that there is something cooking, especially in europe and the states which is really interesting to follow and great to be a part off.

Iv heard some great sets from young djs up and down the country, your day will come just keep hanging in there keep on keeping on cheers billy

OK guys, i'm happy to read some refreshing responses after all.....

 

i'm out of this discussion after i got a mail from an older english guy who is and was really important for the uk scene who says that i should give up, these people will never get it. he tries it since years.....

 

so how does that sound to you peeps?? 

For me it's depressing to be honest. the ones that build up the scene many years ago are now dinosaurs with a one track mind that dont get that there is something cooking, especially in europe and the states which is really interesting to follow and great to be a part off.

 

you for real ?

 

your post is well insulting to the site and its members

 

the only dinosaur is the guy who is sending you the off thread emails

 

read the thread and the members thoughts/views   not some old school fool moans who ain't got the bottle to post in public

Edited April 17, 201411 yr by mike

Seems weve all got it wrong, over here in the uk its just played out oldies nites that are doomed.Thank god for those bright young things who know exactly what everyone needs and should be doing from Europe.

Seems weve all got it wrong, over here in the uk its just played out oldies nites that are doomed.Thank god for those bright young things who know exactly what everyone needs and should be doing from Europe.

 

 

you got it ;)

I certainly have wether you ever get it or not remains to be seen.

you got it ;)

 

drop the sh*t stirring eh

 

not needed or wanted

OK guys, i'm happy to read some refreshing responses after all.....

 

i'm out of this discussion after i got a mail from an older english guy who is and was really important for the uk scene who says that i should give up, these people will never get it. he tries it since years.....

 

so how does that sound to you peeps?? 

For me it's depressing to be honest. the ones that build up the scene many years ago are now dinosaurs with a one track mind that dont get that there is something cooking, especially in europe and the states which is really interesting to follow and great to be a part off.

 

 

I think you've lost the point of this thread.Young dj's getting a chance.It now seems its Young dj's vs Old Dinosaurs. Great playlists btw ,but most of the tracks can be heard over most weeks in the UK.So what have you got.? Young dj's playing tunes that are played here. 

Pete. With respect mate. They're not priorities, they're things you do. In no particular order.  I didn't make a list of what I wanted, things just happened in whatever order they turned up.

 

Steve

 

 

Steve maybe I'm not articulating my point very well, everybody regardless of age prioritises stuff, prefers doing some stuff rather than other stuff, that's prioritising,

 

When I was 20 I don't suppose I physically made a list either, we all have a mental list, and when I finished work on a Friday my first 'priority' was the pub, and things didn't change much for the next 20 years, In fact no, my first priority was something to eat, then a shower, then the pub, see there's a list forming

Edited April 17, 201411 yr by Pete60

Henning chill out bro..he really is a sweetheart in real life.

i can remember when i where a lad

 

 

Edited April 17, 201411 yr by Guest

Henning chill out bro..he really is a sweetheart in real life.

 

 

i am mates. i thought provocating a bit might help... doesn't seem like.

 

all scenes are great and interesting..uk, us, europe, asia. whatever. one love!

I must say well done to anyone who posted up a potential set list, that is a pretty brave thing to do as those lists usually get pulled to pieces. When I dj'd (very minor scale) I stopped planning sets after about 3 months, I used to try and work out what my first three records should be on the night and then go from there. Sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't.

 

Perhaps a new topic: "Post up your DJ set" - what you would play if you got a set somewhere, it might give promoters an idea of what people play and save people from that fate worse than death - doing a spot somewhere where you don't want to play the music the people want you to play.

you for real ?

 

your post is well insulting to the site and its members

 

the only dinosaur is the guy who is sending you the off thread emails

 

read the thread and the members thoughts/views   not some old school fool moans who ain't got the bottle to post in public

 

The dinosaur you refer to I guess is me. What I find very alarming is that you are reading peoples private messages. I'm sure that might be a slight infringement of both civil liberties & the data protection act. But as we have discussed in the past, privately, you do seem to treat this as your personnel fiefdom and if that is enough to get be banned, so be it. 

tracking down more affordable tunes and creating your own buzz.

 

There are certainly some angry young mixed up men on here.... Soul music is not the be all and end all.... just relax and make it an enjoyable hobby,

sorry, but showing petulance on here will not wash at venues.... respect for each other is the key

The dinosaur you refer to I guess is me. What I find very alarming is that you are reading peoples private messages. I'm sure that might be a slight infringement of both civil liberties & the data protection act. But as we have discussed in the past, privately, you do seem to treat this as your personnel fiefdom and if that is enough to get be banned, so be it. 

 

 

yeah guessed right

dont have to read pms to work out it was you

and more insulting claims from you,  before it was you getting a shitty on cause you didnt like the front page news, now you saying am reading pms

yeah allround good guy you

 

at least now you got the bottle to reply

well done

yeah guessed right

dont have to read pms to work out it was you

and more insulting claims from you,  before it was you getting a shitty on cause you didnt like the front page news, now you saying am reading pms

yeah allround good guy you

 

at least now you got the bottle to reply

well done

 

 

You guessed nothing. I could well have been chastising him, you would have had to read the message to comment in the way you did.

You guessed nothing. I could well have been chastising him, you would have had to read the message to comment in the way you did.

 more rubbish

got better things to do than dig thru databases

look at the times of post

 

last thing want or need to do is go thru peoples pms

obvious it was you

who else would slags this site in such a way

 more rubbish

got better things to do than dig thru databases

look at the times of post

 

last thing want or need to do is go thru peoples pms

obvious it was you

who else would slags this site in such a way

I made no reference to the site and I'm happy to publish messages in that regard after taking legal advice

Pete. With respect mate. They're not priorities, they're things you do. In no particular order.  I didn't make a list of what I wanted, things just happened in whatever order they turned up.

 

Steve

i like this

Some djs buy records what punters like to hear others buy from for them selfs others buy for pleasure does it matter i say give as many young ones the chance to dj lets face it the oldies are just get older and older and i think its time for a change anyway

oh and bye the way mixercora brilliant thread really enjoying it and i hope we all can enjoy it stay on topic

I made no reference to the site and I'm happy to publish messages in that regard after taking legal advice

 

same old story

 

yet another old school judging others by their own low standards

 

just cause its something you may have done doesn't mean that it something others will do

 

yah i guessed it was you, not really that hard given your past whining and moaning about uk soul fans and uk scene and site

given the guys location and what he posted then am sure others would come to the same conclusion

if i was sure it was you then i would have been more specific

 

go and read his post again, no mention of pms he says mail, 

 

insulting accusations from an old school 'known' name-- what a surprise

Mike & Dave can you please stay with the topic

But surely you're just then playing what others want to hear rather than what you like?

Why would an aspiring dj ever get booked based on those values?

 

Because he gives the public what they want.

OK let me give you an example from elsewhere.

I've seen Bowie live about 15 times right.  I've not seen him since 1987 because that was bad enough.

Now, if he announced a new album, and a tour, I think I would go and see him.

However, if he played all new stuff and didn't dip into his back catalogue, I'd want my money back.

 

 

Finally there is interest from this age group and people are too bothered about how to hand the baton down, "in my day we started from the bottom...", bloomin eck, what a boring story, seriously who cares?

 

 

 

I do. It was a totally different world back then.  Can you imagine being threatened to be beaten up for wearing a soul patch to a venue you'd never been to?  I was.  You could not just walk in and think you were the dogs nads, you had to do your time.  If that's not the case now, and it obviously isn't, then that's great for you, but don't disrespect people like Chalky coming on here trying to explain what it was like back then, it won't do you any favours.   Young flash gits with money will never get any respect from me.

I just don't get it..

 

Are we really supposed to believe that Young DJs don't have enough spots.  ??

Mike & Dave can you please stay with the topic

 

NO, Mike and Dave, bury the hatchet.... "MOVE ON"

OK guys, i'm happy to read some refreshing responses after all.....

 

i'm out of this discussion after i got a mail from an older english guy who is and was really important for the uk scene who says that i should give up, these people will never get it. he tries it since years.....

 

so how does that sound to you peeps?? 

For me it's depressing to be honest. the ones that build up the scene many years ago are now dinosaurs with a one track mind that dont get that there is something cooking, especially in europe and the states which is really interesting to follow and great to be a part off.

 

It might be interesting to you but the playlists you posted up are at total odds with most venues in the UK, you've got your tunes, we've got ours by the looks of it, and yours and your friends playlist tunes would go down like a lead balloon over here, so you enjoy yourselves and let us get on with it without calling people dinosaurs just because they don't like soul pack rejects.

 

, "in my day we started from the bottom...", bloomin eck, what a boring story, seriously who cares?

 

 

 

I do.

 

Len  

i like this

Some djs buy records what punters like to hear others buy from for them selfs others buy for pleasure does it matter i say give as many young ones the chance to dj lets face it the oldies are just get older and older and i think its time for a change anyway

I'd always stick to buying what i like. Yeah, if spinning is your source of income then yeah, buy what people want to hear, so you can claim money back on it.

But why you'd ever want to buy something that you don't like, that's just beyond me.

Edited April 17, 201411 yr by Juniorsoul

I'd always stick to buying what i like. Yeah, if spinning is your source of income then yeah, buy what people want to hear, so you can claim money back on it.

But why you'd ever want to buy something that you don't like, that's just beyond me.

 

The ones at the top of the tree have always had to buy records they didn't necessarily like though, just so they actually had it.  Maybe it's more regional now but I'm thinking mid 70's for instance, there'd be say 20 real proper name jocks and if one had a new top sound, the others would have to get it by hook or by crook.  Did anyone really ever like "The Whole Thing"?  They all had it..

i like this

Some djs buy records what punters like to hear others buy from for them selfs others buy for pleasure does it matter i say give as many young ones the chance to dj lets face it the oldies are just get older and older and i think its time for a change anyway

 

Now then feller, "time for a change"? are you joking, oldies will still be around until Doomsday!

It's a quite simple decision to make.... you read the venue adverts/flyers/Soul Source etc and see who the DJ's are'

it isn't difficult to analyse a particular place and what they offer..... thats if your in the know!