My mate say's he remembers this getting spins at Blackpool Mecca ? I always thought it was a much later discovery ? I first heard it mid eighties played out by Soul Sam , can anybody expand ?

I've always been led to believe this is a mecca spin around 1975?

I've always been led to believe this is a mecca spin around 1975?

Definitely a Mecca last hour spin ; That first batch of copies came through John Anderson at Soul Bowl.

Best

John

So John Anderson discovered it and it was a Mecca spin in the last hour ?

Who played it out first then , did the same DJ always do the last hour , ie Levine / Curtis ?

One time minor Mecca spin as Chalky says

Ian Levine tells the story of taking a couple of copies out of a box of 100 in the US and leaving the rest at the time! I think i remember him saying they thought it was too slow at the time, which makes sense i guess?

When Dim Dave from Hednesford sold his collection in 1990 it was on his list, virtually nobody either remembered it or knew it and Tony Parker won it in the auction for £15

I seem to remember buying it off JA at the Bowl for £6 somewhere around '77. God knows where it went though. I must have had a clear out at some point and sold it way before it became a big money tune.

Steve

I believe it was Curtis who played this first at The Mecca.

So John Anderson discovered it and it was a Mecca spin in the last hour ?

Who played it out first then , did the same DJ always do the last hour , ie Levine / Curtis ?

great picture!

I have another on the label, very soulful but quiet slow.

Kent ace own the label stax subsidiary.

Can only remember one sides called Ramone.

Edited August 12, 201212 yr by Prophonics 2029

Lindell Hill Remone .. not so sure on the Stax subsidiary theory...Arch was St.Louis and as far as I know only picked up by Stax for nat. distribution.

I think there was some actual Stax involvement, though can't remember the details. Ady was looking into it recently, and would know more.

Thanks for the replies thus far !!

So are we all agreed it was a Curtis spin then ?

Anybody got any old record lists with it priced at a steal ?

Definitely a Mecca spin my brother had one from the place where rick cooper and Barry tasked and all them worked he got it out of the box on the counter he remembers leaving about another 10 copies this was before it got played, think it was about 50p

Mark

Definitely a Mecca spin my brother had one from the place where rick cooper and Barry tasked and all them worked he got it out of the box on the counter he remembers leaving about another 10 copies this was before it got played, think it was about 50p

Mark

GLOBAL records in manchester mark.

Cheers Jim the name always eludes me and I used to go in there at least once a week

Mark

richard played it at wigan for the 1st time on 22.2 .75.....

Not surprised you got people like Colin and Richard playing it back in the day - fabulous piece of soul from Mr Phil Perry.

I think there was some actual Stax involvement, though can't remember the details. Ady was looking into it recently, and would know more.

Arch was started by Nick Charles, a DJ who had a few releases on Stax https://staxrecords.free.fr/charles.htm . He also produced (with Steve Cropper) some of the earlier Arch releases (Lindell Hill, Delrays).

richard played it at wigan for the 1st time on 22.2 .75.....

Nice one Mark , why so precise , you got this on a live tape from his spot ?

Also interesting that Searling was playing this during the infamous Mecca / Wigan wars !!!

sure have ..

sure have ..

Would of loved to of seen the dance floor reaction to that at the time !!

Arch was started by Nick Charles, a DJ who had a few releases on Stax https://staxrecords.free.fr/charles.htm . He also produced (with Steve Cropper) some of the earlier Arch releases (Lindell Hill, Delrays).

do you know if this label was related?

https://www.collectorsfrenzy.com/details/320764644412/Rare_Garage_45_The_Wolfmen_ARCHWAY_RECORDS_Ones_Who_Love_HEAR

obviously it's a generic name for a st louis label. The lead vocalist on the Wolfmen single is clearly michael mcdonald, even though it's not mentioned in any of his discographies, biographies, etc., there is no way it could not be him if you hear it.

Great thread, didn't know any of this

Is Stono a stereo thing with a bit of mono thrown in?

Is Stono a stereo thing with a bit of mono thrown in ? or was a certain leaf used when recording it.

Arch was started by Nick Charles, a DJ who had a few releases on Stax https://staxrecords.free.fr/charles.htm . He also produced (with Steve Cropper) some of the earlier Arch releases (Lindell Hill, Delrays).

So as I said not a subsidiary but a independently run label. Thanks for clarifying that up.

Is Stono a stereo thing with a bit of mono thrown in?

Stono will be a mono recording that's been reprocessed to play in Stereo - not true Stereo.

Nice one Mark , why so precise , you got this on a live tape from his spot ?

Also interesting that Searling was playing this during the infamous Mecca / Wigan wars !!!

Even if there was a so called war going on, Richard turned up at the Mecca loads of times before going on to DJ at Wigan.

Definitely a Mecca last hour spin ; That first batch of copies came through John Anderson at Soul Bowl.

Best

John

I am sure I got mine off you at the Mecca, did you get yours from J A ?

So are we any closer to deciding who first played this out at the Mecca ?

Last hour slot mentioned previously , who would DJ at that ?

Initially Ian if I remember & Colin probably did from late 74 - early 75 to when he left.

Thanks for the contributions , Curtis get's the vote then

Even if there was a so called war going on, Richard turned up at the Mecca loads of times before going on to DJ at Wigan.

Richard at the Mecca....

Richard at the Mecca....

Judith might of put a few buttons on his shirt ..and was he sneaking his own cans in there ?

some people rate the flipside of this ...doesnt do it for me..hey you is the tops imvho

Edited August 18, 201212 yr by dave pinch

Judith might of put a few buttons on his shirt ..and was he sneaking his own cans in there ?

Judith sewing, are you having a laugh.

And why not sneak the odd can in, Judith always had a bottle in her bag.

On 12/08/2012 at 15:04, Steve Plumb said:

One time minor Mecca spin as Chalky says

 

Ian Levine tells the story of taking a couple of copies out of a box of 100 in the US and leaving the rest at the time! I think i remember him saying they thought it was too slow at the time, which makes sense i guess?

Bit of an update as listening to Ian Levine he says it was box of 500(!) he found in St. Louis in 1974 of which he talk two - as noted probably due to the tempo being slow for the time..

At 2hrs 16mins..

 

Nice one,  thanks for the update 

Always liked this one as well - again recorded at Archway studios

 

On 18/08/2012 at 10:29, The Tempest said:

 

Thanks for the contributions , Curtis get's the vote then

 

On 18/08/2012 at 10:29, The Tempest said:

 

Thanks for the contributions , Curtis get's the vote then

 

Not seen this before - Colin last hour

On 12/08/2012 at 15:15, Ted Massey said:

When Dim Dave from Hednesford sold his collection in 1990 it was on his list, virtually nobody either remembered it or knew it and Tony Parker won it in the auction for £15

I wanted the Montclairs but Tony beat me to it,so I brought the Dynells on Vent of him instead.......

On 17/11/2017 at 12:12, Reg Scott said:

Bit of an update as listening to Ian Levine he says it was box of 500(!) he found in St. Louis in 1974 of which he talk two - as noted probably due to the tempo being slow for the time..

At 2hrs 16mins..

 

Not sure this can be correct. Mass produced records were usually put into small brown cartons containing 25 records - these are known as 25 count boxes in the trade. Four 25 count boxes were put into a cubic shaped carton to make up a 100 count box for shipping purposes - these were heavy and cumbersome but could be moved easily enough with two hands when unloading a truck or carrying records into a store. Sometimes, records came off the presses in limited runs and were put straight into a deep tray type box containing up to 400 records in two rows, but more often than not, these boxes contained several different titles, usually on the same label, and were destined for a wholesaler. Given the number of Montclairs on Arch in circulation, I doubt this alleged trove of 200-500 records has been uncovered, if indeed it ever existed. Tony Tisovic of St Louis turned up several dozen copies in the estate of the label owner, together with the master tapes that were eventually shipped to Kent Records for a belated release given that it was a Stax owned title. The track got some big spins from the London boys in the 1990’s, especially on Jermyn Street alongside Oxford Knights ‘Just A Lonely One’ and ‘Johnny On The Spot’...

The owner of Arch presenting on a St Louis show ... 

On 8/12/2012 at 23:17, The Tempest said:

 

 

Nice one Mark , why so precise , you got this on a live tape from his spot ?

 

Also interesting that Searling was playing this during the infamous Mecca / Wigan wars !!!

 

yes i have it on he played it straight after lee fields take me back