Just to satisfy my curiosity - how many of these are there? I know its hard, I know it goes for BIG bucks, I saw the one that went for auction this year/last...but what we talking, and is there an exact number - can they be traced like other records where you know XYZ has one.

 

 

good luck Dennis, you keep plugging away mate. 

Edited November 19, 201410 yr by modernsoulsucks

I wondered whether it was worth working backwards to establish the number pressed up.

When a tune was put onto tape and the record label would want to test the water or promote a tune how many would they press up initially?

I'm not familiar with the industry but imagine small record labels would behave alike, John Anderson may be able shed some light on what was 'normal' initial press for a small label.

And just think of those deep collectors in Mr Flynns adopted land that were buying it for other side! Adds another couple of dozen, at least, Somebody better sell it to Mr Dennison cheap, before the price plummets when the owners read this and think.......

 

Even though I think the other side is a perfect dancer, and not deep! And almost as good, but doesn't have the spitting fervour that the top side has.

For Japanese, this "I'm Gone" by Eddie Parker is a pure deep soul.  Peoples outside of Japan think only ballad is a deep soul.  No,  this is wrong.  "Deep Soul" is not called for only ballad songs.  What we, Japanese, call deep soul is depend on the "voice" which means no concern to ballad or dancer.   So, Eddie Parker is called as a deep soul singer for Japanese as his voice is deep enough.

For Japanese, this "I'm Gone" by Eddie Parker is a pure deep soul.  Peoples outside of Japan think only ballad is a deep soul.  No,  this is wrong.  "Deep Soul" is not called for only ballad songs.  What we, Japanese, call deep soul is depend on the "voice" which means no concern to ballad or dancer.   So, Eddie Parker is called as a deep soul singer for Japanese as his voice is deep enough.

 

I was being a little flippant, but that is an interesting insight. Hence why his mighty Miko monster of malevolance, was rarely seen this country back in the day, and possible still. 

there is probably more than is thought, some collectors just collect and never go near northern events, quite a few spread over the world with DJ's. My guess is there is probably in excess of 50 in the hands of people who its value, plus a few scattered around yet to be found.

 

All speculation of course.

 

 

Spot on..... not everyone wants the world to know what they have in their collection...

I was being a little flippant, but that is an interesting insight. Hence why his mighty Miko monster of malevolance, was rarely seen this country back in the day, and possible still. 

Most of Japanese still and basically like a deep soul ballad since 60-70s but they are also listening the dancer with deep voice like gospel-ish, strong and very hot voice which we feel the blackness.  We are basically enjoying with those voices.  So, we listened both ballad and dancer by James Carr, Spencer Wiggins, Wilson Picket for example.  They were all deep soul singers for us.  On the other hand, I can say we do not like a poppy voice. 

 

We understand what the Northern Soul Is by now.  But in the 60-70s we called the soul music from like Detroit, Chicago where are located in the Northern area of the US is the Northern Soul as same as the Southern Soul like materials from Stax/Fame/Quinvy/Hi, etc.  We did not called dancers from Goldwax/Stax/Fame as the Northern Soul at the time.  We called they were the Southern Soul even the dancer.  So, we felt strange when people called the dancer by James Carr is Northern Soul at the time.  Anyway, these are old story in Japan.

 

As for the Eddie Parker's Miko single, I believe the Japanese had brought its price up in the market due to its rarelity and strong demanding.  Almost copies of this single currently exist in Japan were imported from the UK.  I guess it is because the deep soul ballad "If I Must Go" did not meet the UK soul fans' interest.  But I would like to say that this song was the one which spotted a light to Eddie Parker's name as a great deep soul singer in Japan and then the Japanese started collecting his singles including "I'm Gone" in Japan.

Edited November 20, 201410 yr by picky

For Japanese, this "I'm Gone" by Eddie Parker is a pure deep soul.  Peoples outside of Japan think only ballad is a deep soul.  No,  this is wrong.  "Deep Soul" is not called for only ballad songs.  What we, Japanese, call deep soul is depend on the "voice" which means no concern to ballad or dancer.   So, Eddie Parker is called as a deep soul singer for Japanese as his voice is deep enough.

Dave Godin who invented the term Deep Soul took a similar line though he stated that it was the quality/intensity of the performance rather than the timbre of the singer's voice that qualified a record as such. Hence Ruby Andrews 'Just Loving You' on one of his Deep Soul Treasures CD. He would have approved of the Japanese take on this, I'm sure.

Spot on..... not everyone wants the world to know what they have in their collection...

 

there is probably more than is thought, some collectors just collect and never go near northern events, quite a few spread over the world with DJ's. My guess is there is probably in excess of 50 in the hands of people who its value, plus a few scattered around yet to be found.

 

All speculation of course.

To bookend this interesting discussion with a 'speculative' answer given the knowledge imparted here, no one would be surprised if there were over 100 copies?

 

Edited November 20, 201410 yr by TailorMade Gaz B

Fifty copies scattered around over 40 years would be very hard to track down...

I reckon there's 70 odd copies in the UK. . Not a lot in the scheme... all the big boys seem to have it and naturally not one will sell as that makes them drop a notch in the pecking order seeing as it's one of the best ...

a lot more than that there's at least 5 among the Kings Hall dj's

 not five ted 4 

Got a list from Brian 45 Philips somewhere he had a copy for £20 on it.Think the list is from around 1973. 

 

Dave Godin who invented the term Deep Soul

 

Is that true...not saying it isn't.

Most of Japanese still and basically like a deep soul ballad since 60-70s but they are also listening the dancer with deep voice like gospel-ish, strong and very hot voice which we feel the blackness.  We are basically enjoying with those voices.  So, we listened both ballad and dancer by James Carr, Spencer Wiggins, Wilson Picket for example.  They were all deep soul singers for us.  On the other hand, I can say we do not like a poppy voice. 

 

 

This post takes me back to one of my first DJ sets in Japan. I had a few big-vocal discs in the box ready, as I thought they would go down well -i.e. Sam Fletcher, Roy Hamilton, Lou Johnson et al. However, before I played them it was pointed out within a discussion that generally these artists/discs were not liked by Japanese Soul fans at all! Why you may ask...well if you take a short step back and listen to them they are basically more "Pop" than Soul...strings and big productions do not tick the Soul boxes.

 

Made me think a lot about my collection at that point, and it makes one realise that an awful lot of Northern Soul discs are not super Soulful...and I'm not just talking about the Blue-eyed stuff...not that I have a problem with that in the slightest!

Is that true...not saying it isn't.

He always reckoned so and I don't know of the term existing afore him.

Just shows how the mind plays tricks I thought the saying "Soul as deep as you like and then some" was written on D.G.'s Deep soul label but had a look and its not was it on the sleeve ?

Just shows how the mind plays tricks I thought the saying "Soul as deep as you like and then some" was written on D.G.'s Deep soul label but had a look and its not was it on the sleeve ?

 

"Soul as deep as you like and then some" was part of the Soul City label, i never had any Deep Soul ones so can't refer

Dave Godin who invented the term Deep Soul took a similar line though he stated that it was the quality/intensity of the performance rather than the timbre of the singer's voice that qualified a record as such. Hence Ruby Andrews 'Just Loving You' on one of his Deep Soul Treasures CD. He would have approved of the Japanese take on this, I'm sure.

Reminds me I must find the C90 I recorded of Dave Godin & your good self Ady on Richard Searling's show ...can't remember if still JFM at the time or Smooth etc... that I recorded when Dave Godin did the sleeve notes on the CD. Were you  both on 2 weeks on the trot? Memory fails me but know I recorded it somewhere!

Lewie from Runcorn had a copy ,when he sold up and left the scene he told me he was going to keep and frame it .I don't know for sure what happened to him or the Eddie Parker record ...

Reminds me I must find the C90 I recorded of Dave Godin & your good self Ady on Richard Searling's show ...can't remember if still JFM at the time or Smooth etc... that I recorded when Dave Godin did the sleeve notes on the CD. Were you  both on 2 weeks on the trot? Memory fails me but know I recorded it somewhere!

We did it together on JFM then Dave did another one on his tod later. I doubt if it would have been the next week, more likely for the next volume.

That copy came from Stuart Bennett who had to sell it to get out of some financial problems he was having at the time. He's never got over it, even to this day. 

Stuart bought it off Andy Spencer from Birmingham for about £120 when he sold up.

Fred Krol has one.

atb,Geoff.

Edited November 22, 201410 yr by Geoff B

Stuart bought it off John? Spencer from Birmingham for about £120 when he sold up.

Fred Krol has one.

atb,Geoff.

Andy Spencer

Andy Spencer

Cheers Ted,have edited my post.

atb Geoff

There are probably at least another 50 or so in the collections of US and Canadian Soul and Detroit collectors.  I know at least a handful of Detroit collectors had it, and, I'm sure that more existed than a handful plus Anderson's box.   There must have been at least 500 pressed originally.

Just listening to recording from The Torch in 1972 and Eddie Parker "I'm Gone" is on it. Memories!

 

14 hours ago, jim g said:

Just listening to recording from The Torch in 1972 and Eddie Parker "I'm Gone" is on it. Memories!

 

When I was at Wigan oldies one night ,someone brought a copy of Eddie Parker "I'm gone " for Richard to play ,and I distinctly remember him saying " I remember this from the Torch " .I was told I was wrong later , glad to see it was actually played at Hose Street .

I asked Jack Ashford on FB recently how many "I'm Gone " we're pressed , he replied " I have no idea " ....

On 19/11/2014 at 19:07, sammy seaman said:

theres also a version by ELDRIDGE GRAVY heard there was only 50 pressed! its not that bad my mate just got a copy from the states

 

On 19/11/2014 at 19:19, Pete S said:

 it was in a picture sleeve and was definitely from a USA soul weekender, it's a remake / recent recording though 

Eldridge Gravy I’m Gone (Emerald City Soul Club) vocal & Instrumental

Limited edition of 250 released 2011.

Currently one copy for sale on Discogs from a UK seller @ £90.

Dx

 

 

 

On 12/02/2017 at 09:15, jim g said:

Just listening to recording from The Torch in 1972 and Eddie Parker "I'm Gone" is on it. Memories!

 

Have you any sort of file for that Jim would love a listen.

Someone played that Billy Sha Rae  version at a do i was at recently, piss poor by comparison imo but was glad as it saved me having to play it lol

The Hesitations LP track Thats what love is now thats a different story well worth a spin with the gain turned up 

Edited February 14, 20178 yr by Ted Massey

5 hours ago, jam66 said:

Have you any sort of file for that Jim would love a listen.

Here you go: eddie parker at 28:35 to go

 

Edited February 14, 20178 yr by jim g

1 hour ago, Ted Massey said:

Someone played that Billy Sha Rae  version at a do i was at recently, piss poor by comparison imo but was glad as it saved me having to play it lol

The Hesitations LP track Thats what love is now thats a different story well worth a spin with the gain turned up 

Hesitations the best use of the backing for me, and the original.

3 hours ago, jim g said:

Here you go: eddie parker at 28:35 to go

 

Thanks for posting. Brilliant.

Isn't it Billy Sha Rae that is announced and played and not Eddie P?

Cheers

Edited February 14, 20178 yr by bo diddley

8 minutes ago, bo diddley said:

Thanks for posting. Brilliant.

Isn't is Billy Sha Rae that is announced and played and not Eddie P?

Cheers

51 minutes ago, bo diddley said:

Thanks for posting. Brilliant.

Isn't it Billy Sha Rae that is announced and played and not Eddie P?

Cheers

Just realised your right!!! I am going deaf!!

On 21 November 2014 at 21:11, Eddie Hubbard said:

Lewie from Runcorn had a copy ,when he sold up and left the scene he told me he was going to keep and frame it .I don't know for sure what happened to him or the Eddie Parker record ...

Eddie,  Lewie's copy came from richard searling; the first copy we had seen in the flesh, when he bought it down to an alldayer.  I think that most of the copies that people have seen, have been recycled between collectors, which makes it look like there are more, than a few, in existence.

Bizarre that anyone should refer to the Sha-Rae version as "piss poor" even in the context of a comparison. It's an excellent version in it's own right. I've always preferred the EP version but here isn't much in it between all three.  

Edited February 14, 20178 yr by maslar
typo

On 19/11/2014 at 19:11, Pete S said:

 

Recent recording though.  GIven away at a soul weekender I think

And that was too expensive!............Utter $hite to my now bleeding ears.

3 hours ago, jim g said:

Here you go: eddie parker at 28:35 to go.

 

 

Sorry Jim, your ear-trumpet needs new batteries

Edited February 14, 20178 yr by Guest

22 minutes ago, Steve Lane said:

Sorry Jim, your ear-trumpet needs new batteries

you're not wrong!

24 minutes ago, Steve Lane said:

Sorry Jim, your ear-trumpet needs new batteries

Pardon.

5 hours ago, maslar said:

Bizarre that anyone should refer to the Sha-Rae version as "piss poor" even in the context of a comparison. It's an excellent version in it's own right. I've always preferred the EP version but here isn't much in it between all three.  

We all have opinions and thats what I believe. Take the piss out may be a bit strong ok it's poor by comparison

Edited February 14, 20178 yr by Ted Massey

11 minutes ago, Ted Massey said:

We all have opinions and thats what I believe. Take the piss out may be a bit strong ok it's poor by comparison

Yes, very poor!

Regarding Eddie Parkers version, even if you don`t actually like it you have to appreciate it`s total quality and acknowledge that it`s right up there as one of the top 3  Northern Soul 45s there`s ever been. 

What it lacks is just not needed!

5 hours ago, neckender said:

Eddie,  Lewie's copy came from richard searling; the first copy we had seen in the flesh, when he bought it down to an alldayer.  I think that most of the copies that people have seen, have been recycled between collectors, which makes it look like there are more, than a few, in existence.

Thanks Mark , he had some nice records in his box ,I still wonder what happened to him and the record ...

6 minutes ago, Steve Lane said:

Yes, very poor!

Regarding Eddie Parkers version, even if you don`t actually like it you have to appreciate it`s total quality and acknowledge that it`s right up there as one of the top 3  Northern Soul 45s there`s ever been. 

What it lacks is just not needed!

It's a barn stormer of a northern record for sure. I would struggle to get down to a top three but it's up there. Totally off topic - well maybe not, Gino Washington would be up there with my top whatever number. 

Eddie Parker is as good as it gets Northern Soul!

we were at Springfield and someone said there was loads of copies, we tried to count what we knew and we didn't get far.

Perfect nighter record. So atmospheric. Should be in everybody's top 10 in my opinion.

The Eddie Parker version is one of my all time  faves. But I can also appreciate the Sha-Rae take - which is an excellent recording its own right. 

10 hours ago, jim g said:

Here you go: eddie parker at 28:35 to go

 

Wow, proper Northern Soul!  They were so lucky at that time, having most of those great records as 60's newies!  I had to wait until Wigan to hear them!

Thanks for posting it up. 

Edited February 14, 20178 yr by Guest

Has anyone noticed there doesn't seem to be any horns in I'm gone nor Love you baby 

Edited February 15, 20178 yr by Ted Massey

17 minutes ago, Ted Massey said:

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Edited February 15, 20178 yr by Ted Massey

On 21 novembre 2014 at 17:16, Flynny said:

 

This post takes me back to one of my first DJ sets in Japan. ... -i.e. Sam Fletcher, Roy Hamilton, Lou Johnson et al. However, before I played them it was pointed out within a discussion that generally these artists/discs were not liked by Japanese Soul fans at all! ...  more "Pop" than Soul...strings and big productions do not tick the Soul boxes.

 

... makes one realise that an awful lot of Northern Soul discs are not super Soulful...and I'm not just talking about the Blue-eyed stuff...not that I have a problem with that in the slightest!

I do get your point here Dave. But Sam Fletcher 'I'd think it over' is soulful as it get. Now if they are not to appreciate those big strings production is another matter. And indeed, a lot of northern soul played and still playing are not soulful. And a lot were and still are. I do have a problem with my records not being soulful. Well even if I have to admit that like many I do have my "guilty secrets" records gathered on the "dark-er side" of record collecting/discovering/crate digging. So I like Lou Johnson but I understand one would not like him. Roy Hamilton is not my cup of tea so... But that Sam Fletcher can be called "overplayed/heard" or not to one's taste, but not Soulful; not IMHO !