Cecil Washington - Prophonics

[vadnochka 105]

Just a query on this big ticket sound.

It has always looked a bit iffy to me - I personally have never seen or observed any copy listed at less than M- / unplayed - current discogs listings in similar nick. Has anyone out there got a knackered / beat up vinyl / ring wear / rips on label or are the total number from a mint ?count box from the same source - one of the few I've never owned due to my lack of faith in their provenance and when did it first emerge to the light of day and by whom.

Steve

[liam2005 55]

Back in the early 9ts I got 5 copies from a dealer in the detroit area. I moved all the copies to various dealers/ djs in london. I do know the guy I got them from had many more as he started listing them in discoveries record mag. How many he had is unknown but I wasn't the only dj he was selling them too. Glorious days indeed .  Greg

[donkit 342]

Hi Steve,

Try posting in "Soul Source - All About The SOUL"

might get a bit more response 

regards

Don

[vadnochka 105]

Thanks - wasn't really concentrating on which forum I was in when posting - just come off discogs.

 

[ganesh 9]

late 80's I think I brought this and ray pollard this time outside the 100 club for £50 the pair off a guy whose name escapes me but he used to jock at peterborough

[mark w 47]

Martin Koppel wrote an article in Shades of Soul, late 80's, where he mentions being shown a box of 1000 copies by a dealer in Detroit.  Goes on to say that at his next visit there the dealer claimed to have sold them all to (I think) someone in Europe. Anyone got that article?

[WoodButcher 1,162]

32 minutes ago, mark w said:

Martin Koppel wrote an article in Shades of Soul, late 80's, where he mentions being shown a box of 1000 copies by a dealer in Detroit.  Goes on to say that at his next visit there the dealer claimed to have sold them all to (I think) someone in Europe. Anyone got that article?

100 count box not 1000 ... 

Shades of Soul Issue #8 Aug 1986.pdf

[mark w 47]

Great seeing that SOS again...glad I was out by a factor of 10 on the box count, seems my £250 purchase of a copy from Out-a-site in the 90's did get me a rare record after all

[Marc Forrest 530]

Well my copy aint mint...more like vg+ does that qualify ;)

[MGM 1251 192]

Slightly off topic...but all copies of The Sex Pistols on “A&M seem to be unplayed or near mint....probably being trickled out onto  the market by the same source....    ....    ....

Edited April 28 by MGM 1251

[modernsoulsucks 1,932]

I'm not dead certain but I think what Martin is referring to is Cadet [not Chess linked] distributors/one stop.

I think it was 1980 and Larry Ray [Pietowski] told me there was a place with copies of Cecil 45.

He'd been trying to get in but no luck.  Gave them a ring and got the OK from someone who worked there.

We both went and spent say 40 minutes in there but then owner turned up and we were turfed out.

Didn't come across Cecil but there were titles in quantity such as Gary Haines [easily 100+], PANIK label [some copies of Deans], Hyperions [50+]

Others I can't remember but all in quantity and didn't get to look at all the stock.

 

 

[becker154 74]

Probably puts the question mark on a lot of so called rare records listed in today's fascinating northern soul world supply and demand counters this saying anything new other then the truly daft prices fetched on many 45's not really imo

 

[ged parker 574]

Ian Wills' copy is far from mint.

 

[jayboy 30]

OK just general item on this with technology should we be worried that all top tracks could be booted fooling everyone there are boots on ebay that the sellers say are not original but what happens when they get into circulation ?? 

[pottsy 193]

Hi Steve

Re "when did it first emerge to the light of day and by whom".

John Anderson found it & sold one to Richard Searling. Richard plays it covered up as Joe Mathews around 78/79. Stays a c/up until Kev Draper gets a copy. Think Kev plays it uncovered at the Fleet, 80/81 ?

Originals have a nice crisp ARP stamp in the dead wax.

Edited May 15 by pottsy

[garethx 958]

Wasn't this the 45 which John Anderson first encountered via a 25 count box in Johnnie Mae Matthews' laundry room?

[soul shrews 393]

Hehe yep remember reading that too

Cheers Paul

[Driveller 117]

I had one in the 90s which had some kind of discolouration on the label and was decent but not mint.  I know it's been suggested from time to time that there is a large-ish stock of uncirculated copies (and maybe there are - or more likely were), but this one had definitely been out and about.

[Prophonics 2029 262]

I spoke to the guy who wrote it, I'm not sure if he actually recorded the track but because he wouldn't produce for them they asked Cecil to sing it. He dated one of the backing singers who was a cheer leader. 

I have another 5 records on the label and there is just one with  a variation.. No bulls eye on one issue. 

Edited June 1 by Prophonics 2029

[samplat 81]

On 25/05/2018 at 00:47, Driveller said:

I had one in the 90s which had some kind of discolouration on the label and was decent but not mint.  I know it's been suggested from time to time that there is a large-ish stock of uncirculated copies (and maybe there are - or more likely were), but this one had definitely been out and about.

My copy is definitely not mint and wasn’t when I got it from the states years ago 

[IANCSLOFT 1,027]

Harry Levin Detroit had quiet a few unplayed Warehouse stock early 1990s

Of Cecil Washington and also copies of the Hyperions 

[Benji 886]

On 01/06/2018 at 16:59, Prophonics 2029 said:

I spoke to the guy who wrote it, I'm not sure if he actually recorded the track but because he wouldn't produce for them they asked Cecil to sing it. He dated one of the backing singers who was a cheer leader. 

I have another 5 records on the label and there is just one with  a variation.. No bulls eye on one issue. 

I know you guys are talking more about the record than the recording. But anyway, I think there was a thread about the background of this record quite a few years back. Wasn't it Cecil Washington himself who posted in it? From what I recall he was/is a reverend. Band was actually Soul Inc (of My Proposal fame). Am I right or am I mixing up things?

[stanley 244]

On 01/06/2018 at 17:48, IANCSLOFT said:

Harry Levin Detroit had quiet a few unplayed Warehouse stock early 1990s

Of Cecil Washington and also copies of the Hyperions 

yes ,we had lunch with him with chris from street corner and harry confirmed he had 25count box,s of cw and hyperions .altho we tried very hard to get access to them but it never happened.

Edited June 2 by stanley

[Prophonics 2029 262]

1 hour ago, stanley said:

yes ,we had lunch with him with chris from street corner and harry confirmed he had 25count box,s of cw and hyperions .altho we tried very hard to get access to them but it never happened.

So you bought lunch then.. Stanley 

[Derek Pearson 790]

Phew Cecil Washington! a record I always wanted but never had the money at the right time.

When records were big this was absolutely massive.

It's hard to imagine the impact this record had when played at the time.

These days it would probably cause barely a ripple.

Dx

No excuse needed to tag on a YouTube clip eh?