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DUNNO IF THIS HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE BUT I THINK THIS COULD WELL BE OF INTEREST :thumbsup:

talkin' rarest of rare only here,say maybe under 50 perhaps known copies of the original of course,just name the record/title and the peeps in the know may help provide the details.approx value as well!

....I'll start with....

Terri Goodnight....they didn't know

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Soul Brothers Inc - Teardrops - Salem

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does anyone actually know how many there are of any of these or could most of them be well over double figure copy records but just hidden in collections??

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Soul Brothers Inc - Teardrops - Salem

Carl Willingham

Me

...plus a very beaten, rough and cracked (?) copy once on an US list that a mate of mine saw but did not buy and has kept regretting it ever since.

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Carl Willingham

Me

...plus a very beaten, rough and cracked (?) copy once on an US list that a mate of mine saw but did not buy and has kept regretting it ever since.

John Poole...

SOFTIQUES ----BASHFUL ( IM THAT KINDA GIRL ) / TWO KINDS OF BOY....SHELDON

I only know of 3 copies i got mine off Sam and Adey Potts bought it off me

MINORS--LONELY BOY--CHAMP

Not many of those knockin about mine came via Rod Shard via Phil Wainwright Tim Brown had it off me years later..

Don't know Marc.......

Your Aviator is PIL Metal box ? not seen one of them for a long time thing mines at my dads only been played once totally forgot about it till i saw it as your aviator, Is it worth owt ???

John Poole...

Simon Hunt

ok i'm just messing with you this time, i haven't ever seen this actually.

...you have now!:

...the file copy from the Jamie-Guyden library.

hows about WARREN SCHATZ - SOON EVERYTHING IS GONNA BE ALRIGHT - WILDFLOWER (JAMAICAN) remember Wilky from Corby ,having this in the mid 70s,only copy ive ever seen . Think it was later sold to John Vincent.

anyone know if any ever turned up?.

Last time I saw this up for sale was in Feb 1985 - JM wanted £20 for it on his list.

what about the west coast distributors girl i love you on jam-cha, how many copies? remember Kitch having this many moons ago

Harry

...you have now!:

...the file copy from the Jamie-Guyden library.

Earlier this year when you asked about this 45 here on SoulSource I did a "completed items" search in eBay and a black issue copy of the Don Covay 45 on Landa had sold just a couple of weeks earlier. :rolleyes: It sold for less than $30, but was in poor condition. I thought that I had saved the label scan, but can't find it now. I did however definitely see it. I'll post up the scan if I find it.

'what about the west coast distributors girl i love you on jam-cha, how many copies? remember Kitch having this many moons ago

Harry'

A few of these knocking about, seen it on ebay end of last year, plus on playlists here and there. Nick Hackett has one, another on the mod scene, plus think Butch had one for sale last year (or year before)...lovely record though.

Your Aviator is PIL Metal box ? not seen one of them for a long time thing mines at my dads only been played once totally forgot about it till i saw it as your aviator, Is it worth owt ???

sure is Miff!!.Love PiL,sold mine some time ago.Someone on here's bound to know its value.

Baz A or Pete S ??

Sorry off topic. :rolleyes: .

there's another on Wand - ebay buy it now fo a few dolars couple of years ago!

Ivories? - that one is now with me .

Intensions on USA ?

Steve green had one for sale last year

Yes.....I got Steves copy...fantastic double sider

Love the Moneytown cut as well...Feel So Good...seems very tough as well although not in the same price league according to the guides...

Yes.....I got Steves copy...fantastic double sider

Absolutely fantastic record. In fact, it was the only one of Steve's tunes I really wanted.

I know a lad from Preston, Billy Kinder, used to have one. That was where I first heard it. Must be 15 years ago now.

He sold his collection to Steve Plumb. Who in turn sold a load to Soul Sam I think.

Neither one can recall this record though? But he definitely had one.

Ivories? - that one is now with me .

Steve how many Tommy Tate's on Koko is there?? Just the one? :rolleyes: .

Cropped up in conversation late last night with someone you know.

Stormie Wynters - Lifesaver ,Mercury issue anyone??????

Yep there's an issue, the owner is on here too.

Steve how many Tommy Tate's on Koko is there?? Just the one? biggrin.gif .

Cropped up in conversation late last night with someone you know.

2 possibly 3.

Steve

if we're including acetates, there must be thousands of one-offs in various collections, no?

some other rare releases:

margaret little

tommy dent on cobblestone

francis burr on salem

junius bugs hughes

klicky robinson

francis burr on salem? this is like a $30 record, right? Is there a second one on salem I'm not thinking of?

MINORS--LONELY BOY--CHAMP

Not many of those knockin about mine came via Rod Shard via Phil Wainwright Tim Brown had it off me years later..

Me!! Don't remember that at all!!

As for Soul Bros Inc we had 2. I thought Alex kept a copy and sold other one to ? in mid 90's. It was a known 45 way back and seen others.

My mate has Intensions. I played it around 2000/01 but bombed out everytime. "she went.." whatever which might not be the side that caught on.

ROD

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Me!! Don't remember that at all!!

As for Soul Bros Inc we had 2. I thought Alex kept a copy and sold other one to ? in mid 90's. It was a known 45 way back and seen others.

ROD

Hi Rod

Hope you well.

Yes the Minors I got off you early 9ts. You might of had it covered up but can't remember.

I had the Soul Bros Inc of you (Carl W got now) along with Red Coats Revue on Salem too.

Cheers

Phil

francis burr on salem? this is like a $30 record, right? Is there a second one on salem I'm not thinking of?

yeah, there's a second one, a great r&b dancer called "i say no, no more." not aware of any besides my copy, white promo.

Is Jimmy and the Sundials on V-Tone a rare one?

What about the Summits on United International?

Little Tony Talent 2-3 copies - great all nighter record

If that's the 45 on Symbol played that at Stafford.WDJ off Anderson. Bombed out!! I think I see a pattern emerging!!

ROD

anyone mentioned--the great---TONI ROSS--HURRY BACK thumbsup.gif

If that's the 45 on Symbol played that at Stafford.WDJ off Anderson. Bombed out!! I think I see a pattern emerging!!

ROD

Yup an old Searling sound from Wigan I do believe Rod.....though he had it covered up. ph34r.gif

Little Tony Talent 2-3 copies - great all nighter record

If that is the one on symbol, do you know anything about the Floyd Barber on the same label (symbol 209)???

Is Jimmy and the Sundials on V-Tone a rare one?

What about the Summits on United International?

there are two different summits records on united international

yeah, there's a second one, a great r&b dancer called "i say no, no more." not aware of any besides my copy, white promo.

man, I might have passed this at some point and been like "I already have francis burr on salem" as it's not the type of thing I listen to... maybe not, but the possibility is annoying.

there are two different summits records on united international

I think both of them are rare,Bob but how rare I don't know.

man, I might have passed this at some point and been like "I already have francis burr on salem" as it's not the type of thing I listen to... maybe not, but the possibility is annoying.

really? you're always buying chicago r&b on ebay, aren't you?

Someone asked about LITTLE RITCHIE - JUST ANOTHER HEARTACHE.

Well i had a SOUND STAGE 7 PROMO the same colour as an issue. A certain record dealer bought it off me because he had never seen a demo before.

A lot of money between me and the person i sold it to. All i will say 3 figure's back in 1979, i knew to two issue's as well.

REGARDS

thenogger

I had one as you describe, looked like an issue but had the promo blurb printed on it, it said "Just another heartbreak" though - which of course is what the lyrics say. £45 in 1986(ish). I thought that was a lot of money, even in '86. Three figures in '79 was a heck of a lot!

Best,

RB

Here's a scan of the Yum Yums issue :

And looking good it is too Eddie, thanks for that!

I got my Yum Yums from a guy who thought he was scamming me by selling me a bootleg, as I was giving a dj a ride who had the bootleg (he had been given it by the bootlegger if I recall correctly) I was able to compare them. And believe me I had no qualms in giving the con man £7 (yes, £7) for a lovely mint demo!

Best,

RB

"Klicky Robinson"

Great one on Mode, but how about the Fabulettes on the same label, girl trio with - I think - Klicky on lead for one of the verses

anyone mentioned--the great---TONI ROSS--HURRY BACK :lol:

WHAT A CHOOON !!! and still one known copy ! :lol:

What about the Soul Injections on Accent, I know of 4 copies but never see this on sales lists or playlists - apart from Soul Sam and Paul Sadot who have copies.

Mind you I'm in Australia so perhaps it's unknown rather than rare, I'm intersted to know.

What about this - Jimmy Radcliffe "Stavolta no", Italian version of "Long after tonight is all over" on Musicor Juke box - the only rare soul copy I own???

Marco "Nerone"

HEAVY SOUL @ BLUE MUSIC

ROME

27th February, 22PM-4AM

CAN WE COUNT COVER UP'S :lol:

IF SO

HERB JOHNSON BRING ME COFFEE IN THE MORNIN

Great thread guys!

Anyone's got clips for these two???

Thanks in advance...

really? you're always buying chicago r&b on ebay, aren't you?

yeah, but I'm saying I wouldn't have even looked at the titles if I saw "francis burr" on salem because i was like "I have that". i will start looking though, you shouldn't have tipped me off!

What about the Soul Injections on Accent, I know of 4 copies but never see this on sales lists or playlists - apart from Soul Sam and Paul Sadot who have copies.

Mind you I'm in Australia so perhaps it's unknown rather than rare, I'm intersted to know.

this is a well known sweet soul record. rare but not "four known copies".

i think this thread is silly by the way. speculating about the number of known copies of maybe frank wilson, like the most sought after soul record, is even sort of stretching it, but at least it is well known, a motown record, and something that people have been trying to dig up for many years (and even american sellers would know it), and even on that one there's contention about if there's a 3rd copy, and on that there is even a sort of provenance in that there are at least stories from people close to the pressing plant about how many were pressed.

in this thread people are just naming random obscure records that they happen to have heard of. there are literally hundreds if not thousands of records in the same type of random / obscure category as rare as most of the titles people have named here. this thread just contains the ones people happen to think of. most of the records named in this thread are not a "few known copies". I would guess that even for an extremely rare record like frankie beverly that there are closer to a dozen copies out there than "2 copies". It's still very rare. Speculating on the number of known copies of just obscure, not known records, given a tiny circle of collectors, is a pointless exercise. And if it's just a record that you and a few other people you asked about know, how do you know that it's not well known by others? And why do people need the validation of an exact number of copies, if a record is rare and truly never comes up for sale, isn't that enough?

this is a well known sweet soul record. rare but not "four known copies".

i think this thread is silly by the way. speculating about the number of known copies of maybe frank wilson, like the most sought after soul record, is even sort of stretching it, but at least it is well known, a motown record, and something that people have been trying to dig up for many years (and even american sellers would know it), and even on that one there's contention about if there's a 3rd copy, and on that there is even a sort of provenance in that there are at least stories from people close to the pressing plant about how many were pressed.

in this thread people are just naming random obscure records that they happen to have heard of. there are literally hundreds if not thousands of records in the same type of random / obscure category as rare as most of the titles people have named here. this thread just contains the ones people happen to think of. most of the records named in this thread are not a "few known copies". I would guess that even for an extremely rare record like frankie beverly that there are closer to a dozen copies out there than "2 copies". It's still very rare. Speculating on the number of known copies of just obscure, not known records, given a tiny circle of collectors, is a pointless exercise. And if it's just a record that you and a few other people you asked about know, how do you know that it's not well known by others? And why do people need the validation of an exact number of copies, if a record is rare and truly never comes up for sale, isn't that enough?

I agree with this to a point but still find this kind of thread interesting. Worth discussing IMO.

Thomas Bailey on Stone is one i've never seen for sale and think is very rare. But I wouldn't speculate on a number of copies.

What about the Soul Injections on Accent, I know of 4 copies but never see this on sales lists or playlists - apart from Soul Sam and Paul Sadot who have copies.

Mind you I'm in Australia so perhaps it's unknown rather than rare, I'm intersted to know.

I had this years ago Msgoldie - still got it somewhere. It was Sam who heard my copy. Is it getting played now? unsure.gif Steve

Yeah you are probably right Bob....this has just turned into another iteration of "rarest of the rare" version 15.

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