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Anderson Brothers - I Can See Him Loving You

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I remember buying this as an "original" back in about 76 /77 paid £8 for it then which was half a weeks wage! Is there a difinitive way of spoting the boot, i seem to remember something about the run out groove edge being raised or flat or somethin else, but cant remember if that was on the boot or orig, so basically f##kin useless info!!!!

Also any idea what the original is worth nowadays? i saw the lookalike boot on here a few weeks ago for about £75?????

Im not sellin it by the way, just curious!

Thanks in advance for any help!!!!

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    • Mick Holdsworth
      Mick Holdsworth

      Sorry, thought I'd put both sides up at the time (2 years ago). They were scans from many years ago. Don't know the authenticity or origin of them though, but probably pre Soulsource days. Mayb

    • Ian Dewhirst
      Ian Dewhirst

        Massive at the Mecca and Cleethorpes Pete. Right up there with the biggies.   Ian D 

    • Kris Holmes
      Kris Holmes

      The Anderson Brothers, Dennis & Bobby, still in NJ, still singing as The Anderson Brothers.  Dennis is also in The Coasters.    

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    • 2 years later...

    This is the same one I had in the 70's and it was a boot or a legal re-issue, it wasn't hard to get.

     

    You sure about that, I've never seen it in my life!

    You sure about that, I've never seen it in my life!

    Yes and my mate John had one too.

    When he reads this I'm sure he'll confirm it. I've never seen a demo!

    Yes and my mate John had one too.

    When he reads this I'm sure he'll confirm it. I've never seen a demo!

     

    There's definitely no boot or legal reissue of an issue copy - well there might be now, via Outtasite, but there were none in the 70's, I'll bet you a copy of Chuck Wood on Disco Demand

    There's definitely no boot or legal reissue of an issue copy - well there might be now, via Outtasite, but there were none in the 70's, I'll bet you a copy of Chuck Wood on Disco Demand

    It'll have to be on Big T mate, or maybe they were originals and we just didn't know it.

    That scan does have a certain something about it - what's on the flipside?

    Sorry, thought I'd put both sides up at the time (2 years ago). They were scans from many years ago. Don't know the authenticity or origin of them though, but probably pre Soulsource days.

    Maybe, as suggested by "Stateside",  it was some boot that passed us all by, or maybe some artwork codge.

    Here's both picks ..

    post-4623-0-28246700-1405863520_thumb.jp post-4623-0-48815300-1405863237_thumb.jp

    Cheers
    Mick

    Anderson Brothers was not a massive record, it was popular, yes, and it was booted but so was everything else in those days.

     

    Massive at the Mecca and Cleethorpes Pete. Right up there with the biggies.

     

    Ian D  :D

    Thanks for that Mick,

    definitely the first time I have even heard of a title for the b side, so I'm blown away! But being greedy, now we know there is a b side I want to know if its any good!

    Edited by Rich B

    • 1 year later...
    31 minutes ago, Eddie Hubbard said:

    Are there styrene originals of Anderson Brothers ?

    No Eddie. The styrene ones were a good 70s repress I believe.

    Ian D :)

    On 06/07/2012 at 21:03, codfromderby said:

    140.jpg heres the boys, themselves

    When this thread first started I contacted Joseph Anderson, who alongside his brother Stefan, are the Anderson Brothers as featured in the picture

    They have soulful connections as detailed here ....  https://www.geocities.jp/hideki_wtnb/anderson-bros2.html 

    Stefan did record 'You're In Love Child' for Crazy Horse .. which got some spins years ago ... but with regard to the GSF 45 Joseph basically said  "It's  not us ... we know nothing about it"

    So I wonder who it is then

    Andy

    The writer, Ray Dahrouge, released a disco version of the song in 1979 on polydor. Shame is rubbish..

    Just spoken to Ray Dahrouge & The Anderson Brothers are black & they were called Dennis & Bobby.

    So that blows the myth that they were the white c&w singers we all thought they were.

     

    Below is the dialogue I had with Ray Dahrouge five minute ago ... I asked him about the flip side.

     

     
     
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    ANDY, AFTER I MADE DEAL WITH G.S.F PRES. LARRY NEWTON (FORMER PRES. OF A B C PARAMOUNT REC. RAY CHARLES, CURTIS MAYFIELD ,& IMPRESSIONS, ARTISTS, ETC. ) I WENT HOME & WROTE B SIDE WITH MY WIFE MICHELE. I DON'T RECALL TITLE OR IF IT WAS EVER ON A RECORD. RELEASE. I NO I DID RECORD IT. I DON'T NO ABOUT ANY COPIE OTHER THAN WHAT G S F GAVE ME. I USUALLY ASKED FOR A BOX OF 25 WHICH I ALMOST ALWAYS GAVE AWAY TO FAMILY & FRIENDS. "I'M A CREATOR NOT A COLLECTOR". BIG B.S. SESSION GOING ON @ RARE SOUL SALES SITE ON FBOOJK RITE NOW THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND. ANYWAY, STAY IN TOUCH MY FRIEND FROM ACROSS THE POND, RAY

    Edited by epic

    I never bought the fact that they were white. I just couldn't see the circumstances where the white Anderson Brothers would record such a different tune to the rest of their stuff. Glad it's finally confirmed. Sterling work Epic!

    Ian D :)

    did anyone confirm if it came out on uk djm and who were trieste

    Edited by codfromderby
    forgot what i wanted tosay

    BS thread on FB Rare Soul Sales, is about a copy of the Anderson Brothers, that came from Ray, & being sold by a third party on his behalf.  The scan is of the Bootleg....now whilst I dont think either Ray or DK is setting out to rip anybody off deliberately, the scan is deffo of the boot....all should become clear later when DK will post an update.

    Best Russ

    13 hours ago, epic said:

    Below is the dialogue I had with Ray Dahrouge five minute ago ... I asked him about the flip side.

     

     
     
    12814522_10207126503495695_9451894866377
    ANDY, AFTER I MADE DEAL WITH G.S.F PRES. LARRY NEWTON (FORMER PRES. OF A B C PARAMOUNT REC. RAY CHARLES, CURTIS MAYFIELD ,& IMPRESSIONS, ARTISTS, ETC. ) I WENT HOME & WROTE B SIDE WITH MY WIFE MICHELE. I DON'T RECALL TITLE OR IF IT WAS EVER ON A RECORD. RELEASE. I NO I DID RECORD IT. I DON'T NO ABOUT ANY COPIE OTHER THAN WHAT G S F GAVE ME. I USUALLY ASKED FOR A BOX OF 25 WHICH I ALMOST ALWAYS GAVE AWAY TO FAMILY & FRIENDS. "I'M A CREATOR NOT A COLLECTOR". BIG B.S. SESSION GOING ON @ RARE SOUL SALES SITE ON FBOOJK RITE NOW THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND. ANYWAY, STAY IN TOUCH MY FRIEND FROM ACROSS THE POND, RAY

    Still sounds white, until the end when one em breaks out a bit....

    RE: The Anderson Bros GSF 45 escaping outside the US ...........

    GSF were represented in 73/74 in quite a few countries around the world -- 12 at least. However the only really popular GSF acts (with regard to numbers of releases abroad) were Connie Francis, Lloyd Price & Joe Quarterman. The last GSF 45 to escape outside the US was an Italian single by Joe Quarterman that was released there in 75. The Anderson Bros 45 didn't get an official release anywhere that I know of (apart from the US demo).

    In the UK GSF was represented by EMI who put out the GSF label releases here (in 72/73). The UK licensing deal obviously lapsed after March 74 when the US label had stopped operating.

    "I Can See Him.." would have escaped outside the US in early to mid 74 (unless it was picked up much later than it's US release date) ...  if DJM had taken on the back catalogue of US GSF after EMI stopped representing the label in the UK ... then the Anderson Bros 45 could have escaped here in 74 or at a later date. In the period from Sept 73 to Sept 74 every UK DJM 45 number is taken (i.e. every number between DJS285 & DJS325). So, unless it was an un-numbered UK DJM acetate or test pressing it didn't make it out on UK DJM.

    I guess you reasoning for asking is coz the OTHER Anderson Bros (the white guys) had a 45 out on UK DJM in April 78. BUT they were a different group so the question really shouldn't come up.

    Only one late US 45 release on GSF escaped in the UK and that was Joe Quarterman's "Thanks Dad" (a UK release in late March 74 following US release in Nov 73.

    Back in the US in mid 73 to early 74 when the label collapsed, even though they had big plans, they were really only targeting the US jukebox market. If a 45 proved popular as a promo 45 on jukeboxes, then it seemed to get a 'shop release'. They were licensing in soul product from the likes of Malaco but not seeming to push any of those 45's. I'd guess that the Anderson Bros GSF 45 was floated on the jukebox market, did nothing & was quickly forgotten about by everyone at GSF and in the US.

     

    GSFrecs73.jpg

    The montage above has entries from record companies in Belgium (& Luxembourg), Australia & Germany that represented GSF.

    GSF also had 45's out in Canada, UK, France, Italy, Holland, Japan, New Zealand, Sth Africa, Venezuela & Mexico.

    Did any GSF stuff escape in any other countries (either on the GSF label itself or a local label that represented GSF) ??

    The ad above states that GSF was represented in Belgium by EMI but did EMI actually press up & release any GSF stuff locally or were 45's just imported from EMI UK to be sold there ??.

     

    Interesting thread. I think the scans of the mythical US issue look pretty convincing.

    I think Ray Dahrouge may have got his wires crossed regarding the identity of the artists. I think the black artists he refers to as cutting this song are the Mayberry Movement (an unreleased Event recording subsequently issued by Ace/Kent). While these Anderson Brothers are clearly not Joe and Stefan as per Andy Rix's research I think they are in all probability another white act.

    Had the Mayberry version been available to DJs in the mid '70s it would have blown the GSF one away in my opinion.

    I spoke to Ray last night & he told me their Christian names & assured me they were black - one of them is still singing.

    2 hours ago, garethx said:

    Interesting thread. I think the scans of the mythical US issue look pretty convincing.

    I think Ray Dahrouge may have got his wires crossed regarding the identity of the artists. I think the black artists he refers to as cutting this song are the Mayberry Movement (an unreleased Event recording subsequently issued by Ace/Kent). While these Anderson Brothers are clearly not Joe and Stefan as per Andy Rix's research I think they are in all probability another white act.

    Had the Mayberry version been available to DJs in the mid '70s it would have blown the GSF one away in my opinion.

    Nahhh. The Anderson Brothers version is a lot more subtle and understated and slightly classier in my view. The Mayberry Movement version sounds like a much later recording and almost pointing to the even later version by Ray Dahrouge. Quite sprightly though isn't it? :)

     

    Ian D :)

    On 6/9/2016 at 08:35, Roburt said:

    Did any GSF stuff escape in any other countries (either on the GSF label itself or a local label that represented GSF) ??

    John - I know this has already been mentioned before, but there was an LP of GSF material released in Israel. This also included the Anderson Brothers song being discussed here. I was probably the first to mention it on here.

    I posted scans of the album and there was a fairly long discussion about it and as to confirming when it would have been released there.

    It was called Soul Explosion

    Soul Explosion LP label A.jpg

     

    Edited by John Benson
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    it does seem strange that the israeli lp has the anderson brothers on..i sold mine last year for a small fortune... maybe theres more to this track than meets the eye

    The Anderson Brothers, Dennis & Bobby, still in NJ, still singing as The Anderson Brothers.  Dennis is also in The Coasters.  

     

    anderson_brothers2.jpg

    It took me nearly 39 years from first hearing this to get an original (Demo)copy, the waiting for it to arrive from the USA nearly killed me !

    I always loved it.

    Played it several times now I have an original copy, in various DJ spots and the reaction has been mixed dance floor wise, however I think its building up to a reactivation on the scene in general, I think some of the "Newbies" have never heard it, despite claiming to be there "In the day"!

    Funnily enough it was requested Saturday night at North Wingfield, I was in two minds whether or not to play it and even commented to Pete Taylor it might "Clear the floor", he said its a great record play it ! Fantastic reaction to it !

    Love the new info surfacing on the back ground to the track, keep it coming Andy Rix !

    Rob

    Edited by Rob Wigley

    Trouble is a think not many dj's have it Sean chapman is the only one whos played it for me.But fantastic record.

    Edited by Mick Reed

    John, that GSF LP out of Israel is a real find .... bet you were glad when it arrived.

    I'd guess that it was more like a 1974/75 release as the 'time lag' between a foreign record company negotiating & signing a deal with the US company, then getting the masters over, arranging the release, etc. always took longer than anyone imagined.

    From the sound quality of the cuts on the LP, would you say they sourced the tracks from master tapes or actual copies of the US records ??

     

    anyone in contact with Ray can they ask him about the Media sound 10" acetate that surfaced a while ago supposedly from Ray himself ??

     

    Ian.

    1 hour ago, Ian Seaman said:

    anyone in contact with Ray can they ask him about the Media sound 10" acetate that surfaced a while ago supposedly from Ray himself ??

     

    Ian.

    I will speak to him tonight - anyone have a scan of it ?

     

    On 14/06/2016 at 11:09, Ian Seaman said:

    anyone in contact with Ray can they ask him about the Media sound 10" acetate that surfaced a while ago supposedly from Ray himself ??

     

    Ian.

    Here is the answer to your question - spoke to Ray 10 minutes ago 

    DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT A 10 INCH OF ANDERSON BRO.HOW MUCH ARE THEY SELLING FOR ? I HEARD LISE RYPDAL ON UTUBE . SPOKE WITH HER PROD. AROUIND 79 WHEN SHE CUT IT. IS THERE ANY CD OF HER DOING IT ? SPOKE TO DENNIS ANDERSON LAST NITE IT WAS GREAT. REMINDED ME OF SOME OF THE LEGENDARY MUSICIANS THAT PLAYED ON THAT SONG. I TOLD HIM HOW MUCH U GUYS IN U.K. HAVE & STILL LOVE HIS RECORD. WISH THERE WERE MORE & I DON'T NO WHY GSF NEVER DIST. IT 4 STORES OR WHY THEY WENT OUT OF BIZ. BEST TO YOU & YOUR FAMILY MY FRIEND, RAY

    On 6/14/2016 at 09:02, Roburt said:

    John, that GSF LP out of Israel is a real find .... bet you were glad when it arrived.

    I'd guess that it was more like a 1974/75 release as the 'time lag' between a foreign record company negotiating & signing a deal with the US company, then getting the masters over, arranging the release, etc. always took longer than anyone imagined.

    From the sound quality of the cuts on the LP, would you say they sourced the tracks from master tapes or actual copies of the US records ??

     

    I've not listened to it all the way through for some time, but as far as I recall, it played fine - no signs that it was dubbed from other records as such.

    • 1 month later...

    I remember it was a big and frequent play where we went.

    Legit copy Stereo on one side and mono on the other......snides mono both sides?

    • 3 months later...

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