Okehdownsouth Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 Is this for real or a boot? https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Flirtations-STRONGER-THAN-HER-LOVE-F705-Festival-7-Northern-Soul-Single-/182372300845?hash=item2a763c782d:g:cl8AAOSw4GVYPzNg Looking at the rest of the stuff that they have listed and the unlikely tale that the records are " Part of a big northern soul collection we found when we moved into our new house" it all looks very dubious to me. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Spook Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 I asked the seller to put the Number in the runout onto his sales page and he has not even responded to my question from 3 days ago. I did not tell him what the correct number would be for an original I would suggest he knows its a boot and is keeping quite due to the large bids on it. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Spook Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 (edited) My last post was incorrect after I rechecked the eBay page. I asked the seller to put the Number in the runout onto his sales page and he has answered my question now and its a boot. Edited December 4, 2016 by spook Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Okehdownsouth Posted December 4, 2016 Author Share Posted December 4, 2016 This is now on the Q&A section Q: There should be a pressing plant number in the run out of the vinyl, what is the number please?A: Hi, the number is 100272 regards, Claire So according to Manships Guide that makes it a BOOT! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Spook Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 Fools and their money Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Okehdownsouth said: Is this for real or a boot? https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Flirtations-STRONGER-THAN-HER-LOVE-F705-Festival-7-Northern-Soul-Single-/182372300845?hash=item2a763c782d:g:cl8AAOSw4GVYPzNg Looking at the rest of the stuff that they have listed and the unlikely tale that the records are " Part of a big northern soul collection we found when we moved into our new house" it all looks very dubious to me. It's a boot. Under original Edited December 4, 2016 by Chris L Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Spook Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 Chris, There is an original west coast white demo like the one for sale on eBay but it has 64784 in the runout. Best David Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Julianb Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 I asked for the run out details which are now shown in the questions section. I told the seller it was a bootleg but they are trying the old ' I know nothing about records etc ' scenario Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mick Holdsworth Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 Just from the image, the extra large runout gives it away. But the delta dates it to Aug 76 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 8 minutes ago, Mick Holdsworth said: Just from the image, the extra large runout gives it away. But the delta dates it to Aug 76 I've had a couple of these over the years, they're boots, all made mid/late 70s at our good friend Monarch's plant. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Casino76 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 Why are they bidding so much money on a boot? it beggars belief. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Casino76 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 1 hour ago, Chris L said: How do you tell the boot from the original on this label design? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 2 hours ago, spook said: Chris, There is an original west coast white demo like the one for sale on eBay but it has 64784 in the runout. Best David Yes you're right but the run out is smaller, it's from 1967, there were a gaggle of releases in the mid 70s from Monarch hence the matrix 100000, they did Patti Emblems, Duke Browner etc. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mick Holdsworth Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 (edited) Label "looks"the same, but, as said above, the 64784 matrix and the much smaller runout with is orig. ORIG And the Boot has the Aug 76 martix of 100272 with much bigger runout BOOT Also the left / bottom line runs out too short on the boot Cheers Mick Edited December 4, 2016 by Mick Holdsworth Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve L Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 Dear god, when you think things can't get any dafter they do................ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Julianb Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 1 hour ago, 3b48 said: There's one on ebay from the US of A - how can you tell the original of this particular demo copy?: TIA Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mick Holdsworth Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 (edited) 16 minutes ago, JulianB said: There's one on ebay from the US of A - how can you tell the original of this particular demo copy?: TIA If you mean the Multi-coloured vinyl copy, it hasn't been booted (at least not in the seventies or eighties) although as with any record, you have to be careful of Ink Jet / colour copy labels gobbed onto an outta site or whatever Edited December 4, 2016 by Mick Holdsworth Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Julianb Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 42 minutes ago, Mick Holdsworth said: If you mean the Multi-coloured vinyl copy, it hasn't been booted (at least not in the seventies or eighties) although as with any record, you have to be careful of Ink Jet / colour copy labels gobbed onto an outta site or whatever Thanks for the info. However if you check on popsike there are a number of these multi coloured copies listed as boots. Do you know the deadwax markings for the original multi coloured copy? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 Based on the Manship guide it is a boot - I'd love an original of this great tune. The delta #64784 should be in the runout not #100272 as stated by the seller in the questions asked. There's been alot of bids! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tagtag Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 The multi coloured one has AB f1124 in the runout Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mick Holdsworth Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 4 hours ago, JulianB said: Thanks for the info. However if you check on popsike there are a number of these multi coloured copies listed as boots. Do you know the deadwax markings for the original multi coloured copy? The ones I could see are fake labels stuck over the plain white boot (presumably) - They'e mostly from the same "if it suits your needs" seller Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve Foran Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 21 hours ago, Mick Holdsworth said: Label "looks"the same, but, as said above, the 64784 matrix and the much smaller runout with is orig. ORIG And the Boot has the Aug 76 martix of 100272 with much bigger runout BOOT Also the left / bottom line runs out too short on the boot Cheers Mick Top one is mine. Had it since 77 or so! Memory plays odd tricks. I remember the boot coming out at the same time, bought it from John Manship so I was right to trust him I guess. Bloody £700 odd for a boot defies belief. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Okehdownsouth Posted December 5, 2016 Author Share Posted December 5, 2016 This nob knows full well that the record is a boot. I might put a bid of £5000 on it just to make sure that the crook does not sell it to some poor unsuspecting bugger who has more money than sense. Thanks to a few others on Souls Source and Pete Smiths network we did the same a few months ago to some idiot who was trying to pass off a Timi Yuro with a crappy home made label, if I remember correct the bidding went up to about £20,000 he must have been creaming himself until the twat realised that he was being spoofed 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tattoodave Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I've told them that now they know it's a boot leg by not saying it is they are committing fraud, I tried to report it to ebay, but their system is weird and doesn't allow you to report as fraudulent. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Joesoul1958 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 (edited) There's a Boot on Discogs £20, if anyone is interested, + that's why the one on EBay is a boot, if you were selling an original Demo, you wouldn't be selling at a start price of £4.99, and also if you were being genuine about it, you could have had the record checked out if you weren't really sure, obviously the guy who's selling knows exactly what he's doing, and should be ashamed of his self. Wanker. Edited December 5, 2016 by joesoul1958 Missed out something 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 There's a plain red Festival label as well isn't there.? Or did I dream it? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Swifty Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, KevH said: There's a plain red Festival label as well isn't there.? Or did I dream it? Found this piccy but don't really know what I'm doing lol !! if it works Bloody hell it worked !! off popsike from 2013 I think , went for £273 Edited December 5, 2016 by SWIFTY Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter99 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Just now, SWIFTY said: Found this piccy but don't really know what I'm doing lol !! if it works You just painted that! Been on the pop again? Pete 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 An original of this label is worth nowhere near that price! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Okehdownsouth Posted December 5, 2016 Author Share Posted December 5, 2016 Just to let everyone know that I have been in contact with the lady who was selling this record and after taking advice from Ebay and has withdrawn it. She assures me the story about finding these in the loft is true and as she has withdrawn the record I have no reason to not believe her. I only wish that more sellers on Ebay were as honest as Claire has been. Thank you Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kempy Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Another one has just appeared on Ebay-only £490 lol Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
BabyBoyAndMyLass Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Bummer, looks like my copy of this is the one with the big runout, still it is a forty odd year old record so not too gutted... When you say boot in this case are we talking a reissue? Or even one of that esteemed legend of the scene Simon Soussans' actual illegal bootlegs? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 24 minutes ago, kempy said: Another one has just appeared on Ebay-only £490 lol Have sent them a very polite message ... Going to struggle in a battle with the other one listed at $1.26 ... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 5 minutes ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said: When you say boot in this case are we talking a reissue? Nah , just a plain old-fashioned 70's counterfeit bootleg ... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark Soul Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 the white one is a boot i bought one last month for 20 quid looks like i got bargain cheers mark Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ted Massey Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 On 05/12/2016 at 15:51, SWIFTY said: Found this piccy but don't really know what I'm doing lol !! if it works I Bloody hell it worked !! off popsike from 2013 I think , went for £273 The red one is styrene I got rid for a multi coloured one. The red is the rarest format thou Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modularman Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 On 05/12/2016 at 18:08, Okehdownsouth said: Just to let everyone know that I have been in contact with the lady who was selling this record and after taking advice from Ebay and has withdrawn it. She assures me the story about finding these in the loft is true and as she has withdrawn the record I have no reason to not believe her. I only wish that more sellers on Ebay were as honest as Claire has been. Thank you The listing ran and finished and sold for £720 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 31 minutes ago, The Zodiac Club said: The listing ran and finished and sold for £720 It was bid up to £720.00 as a protest exercise , that will not be paid ... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Not had a reply from the second vendor yet , no bids over the start of £490.00 so far so seems the message reached potential buyers at least ... 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modularman Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 51 minutes ago, WoodButcher said: It was bid up to £720.00 as a protest exercise , that will not be paid ... Ha! Nice one Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kempy Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 The one I highlighted earlier, has just sold for the asking price - £490 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Bidder was the "underbidder" on the one that got spoof-bid up to £720 , pretty sure this one won't get paid for either ... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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