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    Here we go new that audio disc wasn't legitĀ  magnetics recorded at mbs ChicagoĀ 

  • Frankie Crocker
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    They both look totally legit. Sadly, the pair look like they are delaminatingĀ on the run-ins with the lacquer missing. The turntable looks a bit naff so the stylus may be worn? That said, to auctionĀ a

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    But they wouldn't be 45's then they'd be 33's ...Ā  Apologies Karl , but I have to start the year the way I mean to continue .... a twat ...Ā 

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Iā€™d say they were,they look the same as many Iā€™ve had over the years! Shame the tomangoes keeps skipping though,unless it can be repaired it ainā€™t worth having,the precisionsĀ Ā is an ok tune too! Iā€™ve had the released 45 in the past,sounds a bit dated now,not sure from a djing point Ā of view it would have any impact!

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    They both look totally legit. Sadly, the pair look like they are delaminatingĀ on the run-ins with the lacquer missing. The turntable looks a bit naff so the stylus may be worn? That said, to auctionĀ a disc like this in the hope it will fetch good money, the seller should attempt to explain the three skips; are there noticeable nicks or gouges causing the problems? If the lacquer is actually missing where the disc skips, this should be made abundantly clear. Some skips can be fixed easily so if there is scope for this, it could be indicated. This could be a bargain-buy, especially if the disc is OK and the turntable is at fault,Ā but who would be willing to spend big to find out?

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    Skips three times but listed at VG ? šŸ¤”šŸ¤”

    2 hours ago, Frankie Crocker said:

    They both look totally legit.Ā 

    I'm not so certain - they have the look of custom-made acetates made in the 70's i.e Emi Discs etc

    I could swear that wasĀ Ron Murphy's handwriting

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    1 hour ago, soulhawk said:

    I'm not so certain - they have the look of custom-made acetates made in the 70's i.e Emi Discs etc

    I could swear that wasĀ Ron Murphy's handwriting

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    The whole haul has an eclectic look about it. The rangeĀ of acetates suggests an interesting variety of sources. There are Emidiscs present that might set alarms ringing. The two disks in question look like studio test presses and at 8 inches diameter, not a 70ā€™s knock-off. Someone has paid a hefty sum for the Washpan disk so were convinced it had potential value.

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    17 minutes ago, Frankie Crocker said:

    The whole haul has an eclectic look about it. The rangeĀ of acetates suggests an interesting variety of sources. There are Emidiscs present that might set alarms ringing. The two disks in question look like studio test presses and at 8 inches diameter, not a 70ā€™s knock-off. Someone has paid a hefty sum for the Washpan disk so were convinced it had potential value.

    I wasn't convinced and I wouldn't have got involved tbh

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    Tomangoes was recorded at United Sound and they had their own blank labels, so it's unlikely to be a studio acetate...

    what this reminds of is a Audiodisc acetate glued the bathroom wall in StreetCorner Records ( Detroit ) labeled, "F.WILSON" and "JOBETE" as a joke

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    1 hour ago, soulhawk said:

    Tomangoes was recorded at United Sound and they had their own blank labels, so it's unlikely to be a studio acetate...

    what this reminds of is a Audiodisc acetate glued the bathroom wall in StreetCorner Records ( Detroit ) labeled, "F.WILSON" and "JOBETE" as a joke

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    One of the questions I asked myself? Ā They could well have bought blanks in.

    I was far from convinced they were genuine studio discs

    5 hours ago, soulhawk said:

    I'm not so certain - they have the look of custom-made acetates made in the 70's i.e Emi Discs etc

    I could swear that wasĀ Ron Murphy's handwriting

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    here is Ron Murphy's Handwriting on the left...

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    11 hours ago, soulhawk said:

    Tomangoes was recorded at United Sound and they had their own blank labels, so it's unlikely to be a studio acetate...

    what this reminds of is a Audiodisc acetate glued the bathroom wall in StreetCorner Records ( Detroit ) labeled, "F.WILSON" and "JOBETE" as a joke

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    34 minutes ago, Nick Soule said:

    The same seller now has an acetate of the Magnetics "When I'm With My Baby" that has very similar handwriting to the Precisions:Ā https://www.ebay.com/itm/LISTEN-THE-MAGNETICS-WHEN-IM-WITH-MY-BABY-UNIQUE-NORTHERN-SOUL-ACETATE/353338699595?hash=item5244a0af4b%3Ag%3AgoAAAOSwQaBf743N&LH_Auction=1

    He'll be listing a bridge next.

    The other big tip off is the acetate itself- look how far the grooves are spread out. I don't have one 60's or 70's (pre -Disco) acetate that has the grooves spread out so far- they are usually the same size as they would be on the 45.

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    2 hours ago, The Yank said:

    The other big tip off is the acetate itself- look how far the grooves are spread out. I don't have one 60's or 70's (pre -Disco) acetate that has the grooves spread out so far- they are usually the same size as they would be on the 45.

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    Alarm bells now ringing. I smell a rat. Apologies to anyone I might have mislead earlier.Ā The seller couldĀ explain the provenance to help clarify matters.

    Another thing puzzlingĀ me is how can a 10 inch disc play at 45 rpm when a 7 inch record would (in contrast to a 12 inch playing at 33.3 rpm)?

    1 hour ago, Frankie Crocker said:

    Alarm bells now ringing. I smell a rat. Apologies to anyone I might have mislead earlier.Ā The seller couldĀ explain the provenance to help clarify matters.

    Another thing puzzlingĀ me is how can a 10 inch disc play at 45 rpm when a 7 inch record would (in contrast to a 12 inch playing at 33.3 rpm)?

    I donā€™t think you can relate size and speed. Ā I have 12ā€ vinyl that plays at 33 and 45rpm unless I am misunderstanding what you are saying.

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    I probably have 7ā€ vinyl that plays at 33 and 45rpm as well.

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    but I do think these actetates are very suspect.Ā 

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    On 26/12/2020 at 18:01, Benji said:

    Ebay says seller is from Tbilisi, Georgia

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    no one else noticed this?

    plus did anyone have a look at the other items this geezer has for sale ?

    bigĀ tells....Ā  imo

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    16 hours ago, Frankie Crocker said:

    The seller couldĀ explain the provenance to help clarify matters.

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    'Just for fun', if you need any help with the provenance of A's etc, or indeed record collecting in general, I can highly recommend this video guide. Go to 40m 30s for information on A's. Considering the condition of the seller's A's, i.e. all M's, I suspect they came from Lard's collection. as they're 'hard to find in that condition'!

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    Thank you all. Agree didn'tĀ think these are authentic and feel for the bidders who won the Precisions and Tomangoes obviously believing these could be legit.

    Simon T. appreciated the videoĀ Ā 

    So the venerable 'Lard' starts off wrong at square one by inferring that acetates and test pressings are one and the same and are the first stage of record production .... no wonder folk get it wrong if so-called 'popular experts' keep filling them with false info ...Ā :rolleyes:

    I didnā€™t believe the first two, Precisions and TomangoesĀ were real, It was said where he came from at the beginning and looking at his other sales at the time didnā€™t fill me with any confidence they were real. This latest just reinforces what I thought originally.Ā 

    23 hours ago, Frankie Crocker said:

    Alarm bells now ringing. I smell a rat. Apologies to anyone I might have mislead earlier.Ā The seller couldĀ explain the provenance to help clarify matters.

    Another thing puzzlingĀ me is how can a 10 inch disc play at 45 rpm when a 7 inch record would (in contrast to a 12 inch playing at 33.3 rpm)?

    Depends what speed it was cut at I guess but not sure Iā€™ve heard anything less than 12 on acetate play at 33. Seen plenty of issued 45s play at 33, got some myself.Ā 

    1 minute ago, Chalky said:

    Depends what speed it was cut at I guess but not sure Iā€™ve heard anything less than 12 on acetate play at 33. Seen plenty of issued 45s play at 33, got some myself.Ā 

    But they wouldn't be 45's then they'd be 33's ...Ā :rolleyes:

    Apologies Karl , but I have to start the year the way I mean to continue .... a twat ...Ā :lol:

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    5 minutes ago, Woodbutcher said:

    But they wouldn't be 45's then they'd be 33's ...Ā :rolleyes:

    Apologies Karl , but I have to start the year the way I mean to continue .... a twat ...Ā :lol:

    šŸ¤£why change the habit of a lifetime......šŸ™„šŸ¤£šŸ˜‚

    7ā€ that play at 33rpm šŸ˜

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    11 minutes ago, Woodbutcher said:

    We call them EP's down here in civilisation sir ...Ā :hatsoff2:

    ah but they have 3 usually 4 tracks though

    I think generally 12ā€ singles that play at 45rpm have better louder sound quality than a 12ā€ that plays at 33rpm.

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    bigger grooves more spaced out.

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    2 hours ago, Chalky said:

    Depends what speed it was cut at I guess but not sure Iā€™ve heard anything less than 12 on acetate play at 33. Seen plenty of issued 45s play at 33, got some myself.Ā 

    Thanks Chalky. I was thinking along the lines of 70ā€™s Emidiscs being cut on 7 inch acetates at 45 rpm so when 10 inch oddities appear, what was the cutting standard? The more I look at the acetates in question, the more baffled I am. The recent one also has significant edge damage like the previous two but they all look different suggesting someone has got hold of some old, damaged discs... Mikeā€™s point above points to details that anyone would question.

    Ā Here we go new that audio disc wasn't legitĀ  magnetics recorded at mbs ChicagoĀ 

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    3 hours ago, Frankie Crocker said:

    Magnetics currently at $787. All the biddersā€™ identitiesĀ are hiddenĀ for aĀ Private reason, probably because there is something to concealšŸ¤¬

    Some gullible people about who just don't do their homework.

    The seller has been identified on Facebook as a well know faker darryl Menkin with evidence to support.

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    9 minutes ago, Chalky said:

    Some gullible people about who just don't do their homework.

    The seller has been identified on Facebook as a well know faker darryl Menkin with evidence to support.

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    The Private bidders have shivved the number up,Ā but surely nobody put in a genuine bid. Hopefully someone will refer the case to eBay.

    As a few others have mentioned .... alarms bells rang immediately I saw Tiblisi, Georgia!!!Ā  Why would they be there? ..Ā  and what's the chances of any comeback if you did buy and they were 'wrong uns'!Ā  I may be wrong but wouldn't take the risk!

    5 hours ago, Frankie Crocker said:

    Magnetics currently at $787. All the biddersā€™ identitiesĀ are hiddenĀ for aĀ Private reason, probably because there is something to concealšŸ¤¬

    That's the seller not buyer hiding identities - it's an option you have as a seller so others can't see who's bidding!Ā  ... but it's also convenient for him when someone wants to inspect feedbackĀ šŸ˜‰Ā ... as also can't see what he was selling!

    2 hours ago, Chalky said:

    Some gullible people about who just don't do their homework.

    The seller has been identified on Facebook as a well know faker darryl Menkin with evidence to support.

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    Darryl Menkin ?

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    2 hours ago, Soulstrutter said:

    That's the seller not buyer hiding identities - it's an option you have as a seller so others can't see who's bidding!Ā  ... but it's also convenient for him when someone wants to inspect feedbackĀ šŸ˜‰Ā ... as also can't see what he was selling!

    Yes, the seller hiding his matesā€™Ā bids or his other eBay account details or just keeping his business ā€˜privateā€™ wink, wink, nudge, nudge. ā€˜Privateā€™Ā means avoid, steer clear, watch out, something fishy going on...

    18 hours ago, Soulstrutter said:

    As a few others have mentioned .... alarms bells rang immediately I saw Tiblisi, Georgia!!!Ā  Why would they be there? ..Ā  and what's the chances of any comeback if you did buy and they were 'wrong uns'!Ā  I may be wrong but wouldn't take the risk!

    If you had these acetates to sell you would use John Manship not sell them all, and there are a lot, to someone in the Northern Soul capitol of Tiblisi

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