Guest Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Cover Ups ........ Once the de rigeur of the soul scene , but now a rare occurance due to the knowledge of its' clientele , has led me to contemplate the following related questions ......... What was the longest a record was covered before its' true artist / artists and title were revealed , and were / are there any still languishing under a ficticious name and title , that escaped detection ? Malc Burton Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Diddy Morgan Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Cover Ups ........ Once the de rigeur of the soul scene , but now a rare occurance due to the knowledge of its' clientele , has led me to contemplate the following related questions ......... What was the longest a record was covered before its' true artist / artists and title were revealed , and were / are there any still languishing under a ficticious name and title , that escaped detection ? Malc Burton would that be little ann -when hes not around,covered as rose valentine and the sisters 3 . 15 years or so i reckon Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest topcatnumpty1 Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 would that be little ann -when hes not around,covered as rose valentine and the sisters 3 . 15 years or so i reckon Would have to agree . Tony Coleby Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Would have to agree . Tony Coleby I had considered it to be LA whilst writing the post , but declined to state it , as I knew some clever dickie may play a trump card ....... Any offers above LA ? Malc Burton Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dante Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 I had considered it to be LA whilst writing the post , but declined to state it , as I knew some clever dickie may play a trump card ....... Any offers above LA ? Malc Burton 15 years!!! Wow! So who played it first and who uncovered it?? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tabs Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Think Richard Searling played it first. But was it really a cover up? Wasn't it played from an acetate which had no artist name on it anyway. Not sure who uncovered it though. So for a 'genuine' cover up where the artist was known what is the longest time. 15 years!!! Wow! So who played it first and who uncovered it?? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Parker Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Geri Thomas 'Look what i got' . once covered up as "Zena Foster" ?? Rubbish bit of trivia because it was probably only for a short while I do remember having a tape of Soul Sam calling it by that artist from Notts palais around 78/79 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Trev Thomas Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Think Richard Searling played it first. But was it really a cover up? Wasn't it played from an acetate which had no artist name on it anyway. Not sure who uncovered it though. So for a 'genuine' cover up where the artist was known what is the longest time. well, if we're going to split hairs, then, how about..... al scott / mr soul - what happened to yesterday - genuine...covered for about the same amount of time as little ann, or the mello souls, covered by butch for about 10 years Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tabs Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Not really trying to split hairs but add to the debate. I can't see how you can cover something up when you don't know who it is in the first place. But agree Butch's Del Larks / Mello Souls is probably the longest. well, if we're going to split hairs, then, how about..... al scott / mr soul - what happened to yesterday - genuine...covered for about the same amount of time as little ann, or the mello souls, covered by butch for about 10 years Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Think Richard Searling played it first. But was it really a cover up? Wasn't it played from an acetate which had no artist name on it anyway. Not sure who uncovered it though. So for a 'genuine' cover up where the artist was known what is the longest time. It was Dickie who played it first , and it was an acetate ....... Malc Burton Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 I thought Junior McCants - Little Carl Carlton cover up was bit longer than Mello Souls? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 It was Dickie who played it first , and it was an acetate ....... Malc Burton and it was Gilly and Tats who found out who it really was on a visit to Dave Hamiltons. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tabs Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Was it from another acetate or a studio master / tapes.? and it was Gilly and Tats who found out who it really was on a visit to Dave Hamiltons. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Was it from another acetate or a studio master / tapes.? can't remember the full story but think they played Dave a tape and he told them who it was and he had acetates and studio tapes. If you have the Kent cd Dave Hamilton Dancers it's in the booklet. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tabs Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Cheers Chalky. Always find the stories behind record finds fascinating. can't remember the full story but think they played Dave a tape and he told them who it was and he had acetates and studio tapes. If you have the Kent cd Dave Hamilton Dancers it's in the booklet. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Cheers Chalky. Always find the stories behind record finds fascinating. Tats is a SS member, maybe he'll come and tell the story. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jim Elliott Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 I seem to remember Gilly and Geoff playing 'Rose Valentine' at the 90 or 91 Yarmouth TAC weekender on the site radio and it was still under wraps then. Good weekender that. Jim Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kjw Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Think this threads been done before - James Bynum - Love Music Still don't think anyone knows who it is Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Thorley Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 (edited) Think Richard Searling played it first. But was it really a cover up? Wasn't it played from an acetate which had no artist name on it anyway. Not sure who uncovered it though. So for a 'genuine' cover up where the artist was known what is the longest time. It was known from the get go who it was. But Richard and John Anderson just kept it a good secret. As with many stories it all gets lost in the mists of time and then changes with time. But Richard had a legit studio disc, which he once showed to me while he was djing at Burntwood Baths allnighter. With in ten minutes I had forgotten who he said it was and when I went back, he wouldn't give me a second chance . For a time it got even more confused with the Little Ann bit and was said to be Little Anne Mae (Tina Turner), this rumour had something to do with Ian Clark who, if memory serves me right was offered it first by John Anderson, but turned it down. This was about late Yate time, so would match the time Richard started playing it. Ian told be about this mystery disc, when he came round my house before we both headed off to do the Yate allnighter. Back top the thread. Didn't Checkerboard Squares stay covered a long time, help by the fact that the bootlegs were pressed using the cover up name. Edited May 10, 2009 by Dave Thorley Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon M Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Smith Brothers - The Change In Love C/U I think the above is still a coverup. I reckon it could be over 10 years now ?? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 and it was Gilly and Tats who found out who it really was on a visit to Dave Hamiltons. Tats should come on to confirm i guess,but i think the story goes that he and Gilly found it on an acetate in the states,played it in the store at 45rpm,recogonised it as something they knew ,spun it at 33rpm and hey presto!. Had the honor of touching said disc quite some time back(1992/3),whilst Tats went into orgasm before playing it me . Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gene-R Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Think that Sam use to cover up tunes with the names of kids that were in his class or maybe that's just a NS myth....My top student is Aoife Murphy...Don't think it'd be the same!! Speaking of that, anyone know what Soul Sam's Rajendra Kumar cover-up is? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 (edited) Tats should come on to confirm i guess,but i think the story goes that he and Gilly found it on an acetate in the states,played it in the store at 45rpm,recogonised it as something they knew ,spun it at 33rpm and hey presto!. Had the honor of touching said disc quite some time back(1992/3),whilst Tats went into orgasm before playing it me . quickly from Gilly's notes on the Kent cd booklet........Tats and Gilly went to the States armed with a tape recording from Sedge of the Rose Valentine cover up. Melvin Davis took them round to Dave Hamilton's house and Dave was playing them some studio tapes and on the tape was the Rose Valentine cover up at an "incorrect" slower speed. Gilly then fetched the tape recording from the car played it Dave and Melvin and Dave said it was too fast and originally recorded slower than the tape suggested. They asked who it was as no one really knew who it was (apart from Richard and John Anderson by the looks of things) and Dave Hamilton confirmed it was Ann Bridgeforth...little Ann. I've a recording of Gilly's acetate here, one full take on one side. The flip is the band alone for about a minute then a second instrumental with a touch of backing in it, full take but at a quicker speed. Edited May 10, 2009 by chalky Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest toby Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 and it was Gilly and Tats who found out who it really was on a visit to Dave Hamiltons. Yes it was Chalky,i was out with Gilly last Sunday evening at an event localy to us both,we were out to catch up on old times as you do,and he recalled the story to me in detail,and yes the story is told on the "Dave Hamilton's" dancers CD on Kent. Toby. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simsy Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Ady C has been playing 'Why Can't It Be Tonight' covered as Gerri Grainger for more than 15 years. I thought he'd said who it was once or twice, but on later questioning, seems I may have been mistaken. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 quickly from Gilly's notes on the Kent cd booklet........Tats and Gilly went to the States armed with a tape recording from Sedge of the Rose Valentine cover up. Melvin Davis took them round to Dave Hamilton's house and Dave was playing them some studio tapes and on the tape was the Rose Valentine cover up at an "incorrect" slower speed. Gilly then fetched the tape recording from the car played it Dave and Melvin and Dave said it was too fast and originally recorded slower than the tape suggested. They asked who it was as no one really knew who it was (apart from Richard and John Anderson by the looks of things) and Dave Hamilton confirmed it was Ann Bridgeforth...little Ann. I've a recording of Gilly's acetate here, one full take on one side. The flip is the band alone for about a minute then a second instrumental with a touch of backing in it, full take but at a quicker speed. i was close . Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
grant Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 was the bobbi smith c/up played a year or two back ever uncovered? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Baz Atkinson Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 deffo Junior Mcants Pats little carl Carlton!!! BAZ A Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Professorturnups Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 Carl Fortnum still calls Bobby Valentin "Rex Garvin" (and there's a few others he still calls under the c/up name!!) Mark C Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Eddie Hubbard Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 I was going to go with Little Ann as the longest serving C/U ,but then thought , what about Butch's Diane Lewis " You ain't got a chance " ? If this is a C/U and not actually by her then I think it would beat Little Ann ? As a footnote to the Little Ann story , apparently when told her record had been covered as Rose Valentine , she was so taken with the name she wanted to use it as a stage name , until she was told that there actually was a Rose Valentine out there . Best,Eddie Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Brett F Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Richard Searlings baby don't you do it. Leo wrright c.up he played that when I first went to a nighter nearly 30 years ago, he told me he could create all sorts of conspiracy theories to who it could be. We did talk about this on here about 5/6 years back, can't recall outcome. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Eddie Hubbard Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Richard Searlings baby don't you do it. Leo wrright c.up he played that when I first went to a nighter nearly 30 years ago, he told me he could create all sorts of conspiracy theories to who it could be. We did talk about this on here about 5/6 years back, can't recall outcome. Hi Brett , I've got this on a CD credited to United 4 [ penned by Weldon McDougall ] Hope this helps ,Best,Eddie Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve L Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 (edited) Tats should come on to confirm i guess,but i think the story goes that he and Gilly found it on an acetate in the states,played it in the store at 45rpm,recogonised it as something they knew ,spun it at 33rpm and hey presto!. Had the honor of touching said thing quite some time back(1992/3),whilst Tats went into orgasm before me . JESUS I'M GLAD I WASNT THERE Edited May 14, 2009 by Life O' Reilly Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Hi Brett , I've got this on a CD credited to United 4 [ penned by Weldon McDougall ] Hope this helps ,Best,Eddie anyone got a decent full length soundfile of the Leo Wright c/u Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
grant Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 was the bobbi smith c/up played a year or two back ever uncovered? anyone? and fullsound file if poss? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 anyone? and fullsound file if poss? is this the one Karl Rhodes played? Was told what it was but I've forgot dunno if Karl uncovered it. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Posted info: This is the Leo Wright c/ u as played by Richard Searling. thanks Eddie, I'd only got a poor quality soundfile from a tape I got from Rob. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
cenco Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 is this the one Karl Rhodes played? Was told what it was but I've forgot dunno if Karl uncovered it.yep still covered m8 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest SoulRenaissance Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Cover Ups ........ Once the de rigeur of the soul scene , but now a rare occurance due to the knowledge of its' clientele , has led me to contemplate the following related questions ......... What was the longest a record was covered before its' true artist / artists and title were revealed , and were / are there any still languishing under a ficticious name and title , that escaped detection ? Malc Burton What about Nolan Chance and the Constellations C/U "No one else will do", as played by Carl Fortnum. Same backing as "7 days 52 weeks". Been covered since i frist heard in 90. Is it still covered? Martyn Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 What about Nolan Chance and the Constellations C/U "No one else will do", as played by Carl Fortnum. Same backing as "7 days 52 weeks". Been covered since i frist heard in 90. Is it still covered? Martyn Michael Christian on Concept. First played by Pat Brady , mid 80's. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
flashback Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Im so alone sam & kitty c/up played briefly at the casino by the famed Ricky Searl himself is it also still covered up elusively because someone must have it knocking about somewhere ????????????. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Eddie Hubbard Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 thanks Eddie, I'd only got a poor quality soundfile from a tape I got from Rob. I had this on a Rob Marriot tape as well , this is far better quality isn't it ? Best,Eddie Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 I had this on a Rob Marriot tape as well , this is far better quality isn't it ? Best,Eddie I've only played it on the laptop but sounds loads better, ta mate. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Alison H Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 I seem to remember Gilly and Geoff playing 'Rose Valentine' at the 90 or 91 Yarmouth TAC weekender on the site radio and it was still under wraps then. Good weekender that. Jim I agree !! They were fab weekenders at the Vauxhall. I was rooting through some papers the other night & came across the official programmes & my membership cards (yep Im a hoarder). Wow ! it took me back. The first programme from March 90 is bright yellow & a bit basic (which is understandable as it was the first weekender) The 2nd programme is of better quality & has stood the test of time. However I do cherish both programmes equally as both weekenders were fab & a real warm up for the wonderful weekenders that were to come at Beacholme in Cleethorpes ! Right back to the subject matter ..... I'm afraid I cant help you out with any C/U's whatsoever so its over & out from me (thank god you say). Cheers Jim for making me smile again about the TAC weekenders. Ali x Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 I agree !! They were fab weekenders at the Vauxhall. I was rooting through some papers the other night & came across the official programmes & my membership cards (yep Im a hoarder). Wow ! it took me back. The first programme from March 90 is bright yellow & a bit basic (which is understandable as it was the first weekender) The 2nd programme is of better quality & has stood the test of time. However I do cherish both programmes equally as both weekenders were fab & a real warm up for the wonderful weekenders that were to come at Beacholme in Cleethorpes ! Right back to the subject matter ..... I'm afraid I cant help you out with any C/U's whatsoever so its over & out from me (thank god you say). Cheers Jim for making me smile again about the TAC weekenders. Ali x Think I've got everything from the TAC Weekenders. Here's the program for the acts from the first wekender, 1989..... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russ Vickers Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 well, if we're going to split hairs, then, how about..... al scott / mr soul - what happened to yesterday - genuine...covered for about the same amount of time as little ann, or the mello souls, covered by butch for about 10 years Russ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Alison H Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 Think I've got everything from the TAC Weekenders. Here's the program for the acts from the first wekender, 1989..... Thats ace Chalky ! A hoarder like me & probably like most folk on here I guess. I never went to the October ones - too cold (joke) but can see that I clearly missed out. If I had the technology (which I havent yet) I would upload my yellow programme from March 90 for you but seen as you are a fellow hoarder you've most likely got it anyway Cheers for the image Chalky All the best Ali x Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest gordon russell Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 the phillidelphians.........covered by butch for many a year Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Speedlimit Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 anyone got a decent full length soundfile of the Leo Wright c/u hi chalky got a full cut of this that rob marriott had heard it was earnestine eady Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ted Massey Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 the phillidelphians.........covered by butch for many a year i always thought it was Rob marriotts first Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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