Wrong side of Town

[Rodders22]

 The other day whilst looking for a certain record out of my collection,  I came across The Wrong Side of Town  by The Four Vandals ( Steve Brookstein).  I had bought it a few years ago when it was one of the most requested records played out on the scene.  I put it on my turntable and thought to myself, you know what,  this ain't a bad record. I think over the years we have all read of the deception by Ian Levine, but I do think that now is the time to give it a spin again.what do you think( and no swearing ) Rod

Edited February 8, 2014 by Rodders22

[Markw]

No.

[Staceys Dad]

i know lets ask GINGER........

[Chalky]

There are some great underplayed records out there, proper soul by proper soul singers and people want to play this sh*te. 

Edited February 8, 2014 by chalky

[Markw]

My thoughts exactly Chalky.

[Mark S]

NO NO and thrice NO

[Carty]

Give   " The wrong side of town" ,  Curtis Mayfield    a revival , not a dancer  but  a  great atmospheric soul track , was it ever on 45?( you guys are bound to know )  

[Carty]

CORRECTION:   That should be The Other side of town by Curtis , ( still in a completely different league than the other one. )

[Steve L]

NO

[Frankie Crocker]

You can't be serious! This synthetic garbage is not even fit for karaoke nights.  Gimme L J Johnson, Barbara Pennington and Doris Jones any day...

[Rodders22]

Well thats the feeling of the Soul Collecter's out there so far, But what about the punters and Dances that made this Record massive at the time? They can't all have been wrong. In Gingers words out of his book; Quote. When I heard it,there was no mistake it did have Quality,I knew it would go down well and for that reason I was Interested:  Oh and For myself I only hold Ginger in the highest esteem.   Rod

[Diddy Morgan]

far better 45s about than that stars on 45, mish mash sample , better left in the past i think

[Markw]

Well thats the feeling of the Soul Collecter's out there so far, But what about the punters and Dances that made this Record massive at the time? They can't all have been wrong. In Gingers words out of his book; Quote. When I heard it,there was no mistake it did have Quality,I knew it would go down well and for that reason I was Interested:  Oh and For myself I only hold Ginger in the highest esteem.   Rod

Wotever.....................

[NEV]

The other day whilst looking for a certain record out of my collection, I came across The Wrong Side of Town by The Four Vandals ( Steve Brookstein). I had bought it a few years ago when it was one of the most requested records played out on the scene. I put it on my turntable and thought to myself, you know what, this ain't a bad record. I think over the years we have all read of the deception by Ian Levine, but I do think that now is the time to give it a spin again.what do you think( and no swearing ) Rod

You asked,they answered,you ain't listening, so put your neck on the block and man up!

I personally wouldn't have asked but that's what makes a dj

[Wiggyflat]

What about a revival for this one then....it filled the floor.

 

[Steve G]

Is it April 1st? Or has this thread been accidentally started a couple of months early?

Edited February 9, 2014 by Steve G

[Rodders22]

I didn't think I would upset so many Member over a record? Or did I, I think I'll put it away until someone discovers it again and try and make a few bucks. Thanks everyone for taking part and CALM DOWN. wonder if I got title wrong and it should have been. A true Soul record in;  NEW GIRL IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD-THE ATTRACTIONS. 

[kevinsoulman]

NOTHING WRONG WITH IT IMHO

 

ALONG WITH VENECIA WILSON IT WAS GOOD ENOUGH TO HAVE PEOPLE FOOLED FOR QUITE A WHILE,

 

IF IAN LEVINE PRODUCED RECORDS ALONG THESE LINES RATHER THAN SOME OF HIS OTHER CONTINUOUS DRUM LOOPED STUFF I'D BE A BIGGER FAN

 

KEV

[Guest penny]

I read that ian levine released this in the way he did in order to make a point about the northern scene. And it did.

But unfortunately, that point made wasn't that you could still make a quality record that would be accepted by all if only it wasn't for the scene's snobbery, it was that the northern scene sometimes likes crap pop records.

[Patto]

I remember the huge hype around this record at the time.It was massive and a big floorfiller along with Venicia Wilson who turned out to be Steve Brookstein's girlfriend Kate Jackson.Venicia was the better record of the two in my opinion.

I think Levine did show up the Northern scene to some extent and proved the (Emperors suit of clothes) syndrome regarding records.If enough DJs and collectors say its great then it must be.Also when you actually asked people not many people realy liked the record but they all followed the crowd and danced to it.

I would hate to hear either of them played out today a reminder of a low point in the scene

[Chalky]

The record didn't fool the majority, most knew it was a tailor made recent recording straight away.  Many a discussion at the time, often very heated.  Anyway that is in the past and we all know the history.  It isn't that good, Venecia Wilson is better but not much, but like I said there's many an under rated record ignored, records that this scene is all about not recent tailor made material, nothing to do with snobbery.

[Frankie Crocker]

Is it April 1st? Or has this thread been accidentally started a couple of months early?

The same thought went through my mind. There should have been a Product Recall on this one. This track ruins the Allnighter 3 and Ginger Taylor's Northern Soul Banquet Goldmine CD's. I would have thought there was a strong case for any DJ's snapping the few surviving copies into two for light entertainment between cueing up decent records...

[grant]

big NO  

[Pete S]

The Venecia Wilson record is fantastic.

Apart from the fact it totally rips off another record.

Edited February 9, 2014 by Pete S

[Steve G]

The record didn't fool the majority, most knew it was a tailor made recent recording straight away.  Many a discussion at the time, often very heated.  Anyway that is in the past and we all know the history.  It isn't that good, Venecia Wilson is better but not much, but like I said there's many an under rated record ignored, records that this scene is all about not recent tailor made material, nothing to do with snobbery.

 

Agreed…history being re-written again "everyone was fooled" - no they weren't….Veneica Wilson - Adey Pierce showed me a copy when it first surfaced and we both agreed the font style looked wrong, and then when it was played we could hear programmed strings - exactly the same then as used in Golden World Studios in the 60s…..not!

 

Don't keep this myth going that everyone was fooled. It's crap. And if someone originally bought a 4 Vandals as a rare record from a US dealer, then that's not "fooling the collectors" that's just a plain old rip off.

 

There is nothing to see here……move along. 

[Pete S]

Agreed…history being re-written again "everyone was fooled" - no they weren't….Veneica Wilson - Adey Pierce showed me a copy when it first surfaced and we both agreed the font style looked wrong, and then when it was played we could hear programmed strings - exactly the same then as used in Golden World Studios in the 60s…..not!

 

Don't keep this myth going that everyone was fooled. It's crap. And if someone originally bought a 4 Vandals as a rare record from a US dealer, then that's not "fooling the collectors" that's just a plain old rip off.

 

There is nothing to see here……move along. 

 

I also saw one of the first ones, it had been carpet rubbed and even had a fag burn on one side to make it look used and abused, took it to John Manship and we both agreed it was a recent press, though just by listening to it you could tell that.  Having said that - if you heard it without it's history I think people would think it's an okay record and might play it.

[Winsford Soul]

What about a revival for this one then....it filled the floor.

 

Exodus. Was the biddu track that I remember. Loved it then and still do now. Steve

[Guest]

On 09/02/2014 at 10:45, penny said:

I read that ian levine released this in the way he did in order to make a point about the northern scene. And it did.

But unfortunately, that point made wasn't that you could still make a quality record that would be accepted by all if only it wasn't for the scene's snobbery, it was that the northern scene sometimes likes crap pop records.

No, it`s his excuse to say he did it to prove a point, he released it to dupe, con, rip off top DJs to make a quick buck!.....end of.

Edited December 9, 2016 by Guest

[kevinsoulman]

Agreed…history being re-written again "everyone was fooled" - no they weren't….Veneica Wilson - Adey Pierce showed me a copy when it first surfaced and we both agreed the font style looked wrong, and then when it was played we could hear programmed strings - exactly the same then as used in Golden World Studios in the 60s…..not!

 

Don't keep this myth going that everyone was fooled. It's crap. And if someone originally bought a 4 Vandals as a rare record from a US dealer, then that's not "fooling the collectors" that's just a plain old rip off.

 

There is nothing to see here……move along. 

 "everyone was fooled" have not seen this term used in this thread

 

all the early stuff was tailor made only difference being they didn't know it  

kev

[Guest Byrney]

 The other day whilst looking for a certain record out of my collection,  I came across The Wrong Side of Town  by The Four Vandals ( Steve Brookstein).  I had bought it a few years ago when it was one of the most requested records played out on the scene.  I put it on my turntable and thought to myself, you know what,  this ain't a bad record. I think over the years we have all read of the deception by Ian Levine, but I do think that now is the time to give it a spin again.what do you think( and no swearing ) Rod

My word what a dire record, how some got caught out I'll never fathom. That'll be a no from me them

[Chalky]

 "everyone was fooled" have not seen this term used in this thread

 

all the early stuff was tailor made only difference being they didn't know it  

kev

 

Maybe if you had said the record fooled some, that might have been read differently??

 

I didn't realise it was all made for the Northern Scene in the UK?  Here's me thinking a load of US musicians trying to score a hit either locally or nationally over there, instead they were really making records for us   

[Premium Stuff]

The record sounded like a tailor made from the word go.

Tailor made records stick out a mile to my ears. The production isn't authentic. They are made with modern technology which sounds different. The lyrics are often not right - words and phrases that would not have been used in black American music in the 60s or 70s. Plus the structure of the songs isvoften too obvious and cliched.

Have always disliked Levine's stuff. Just look at the awful 'fake' drumming he dubbed onto all those tracks on the SWONS video.

Cheers

Richard

Edited February 9, 2014 by Premium Stuff

[Guest]

The record sounded like a tailor made from the word go.

Tailor made records stick out a mile to my ears. The production isn't authentic. They are made with modern technology which sounds different. The lyrics are often not right - words and phrases that would not have been used in black American music in the 60s or 70s. Plus the structure of the songs isvoften too obvious and cliched.

Have always disliked Levine's stuff. Just look at the awful 'fake' drumming he dubbed onto all those tracks on the SWONS video.

Cheers

Richard

 

Tailor made rubbish second that

[Paul R]

Exodus. Was the biddu track that I remember. Loved it then and still do now. Steve

I don't remember either Northern Dancer or Exodus filling the floor anywhere important. Maybe at a youthy.

 

Paul

Edited February 9, 2014 by Paul r

[Winsford Soul]

Was a popular tune in the Widnes area Paul.    . I.m sure it got played at the Casino. Could be wrong though.Steve

[Premium Stuff]

Fakes are fakes, are fakes ...

 

Real deal is the real deal ...

 

Authentic is authentic ...

 

Cheap copy is ...

 

You get the picture - I unsympathetically put tailor made records for the "Northern Scene" in the same category as a fake Rolex watch, fake Louis Vuitton bag, or counterfeit Adidas trainers 

 

Not my cup of tea.

 

Cheers

 

Richard

[Donkit]

I read that ian levine released this in the way he did in order to make a point about the northern scene. And it did.

But unfortunately, that point made wasn't that you could still make a quality record that would be accepted by all if only it wasn't for the scene's snobbery, it was that the northern scene sometimes likes crap pop records.

Did he only say he did it to make a point after it was found out to be "Taylor Made" ?

[Guest]

Was a popular tune in the Widnes area Paul.    . I.m sure it got played at the Casino. Could be wrong though.Steve

 

Not my style at all - but god that has surprized me if it was played at the casino but as they say though each to there own

[Premium Stuff]

Did he only say he did it to make a point after it was found out to be "Taylor Made" ?

 

Would seem likely 

[Bleep]

biddu orchestra exodus played at wigan m s packed floor

[Winsford Soul]

biddu orchestra exodus played at wigan m s packed floor

Thanks for that was beginning to think I had imagined it or dreamt it.  Steve

[Jim Elliott]

For Christ's sake.

[Daved]

It was crap the first time round

[Guest Duncan Ball]

I was round adey pierces record shack,well that's what I called it lol when he first recieved it amongst alot of other records just received from the USA,adey asked if I knew it? I didn't and then he played it,I can't remember exactly what I said but I was massively underwhelmed by it and procided to buy the vondells

[Okehdownsouth]

 The other day whilst looking for a certain record out of my collection,  I came across The Wrong Side of Town  by The Four Vandals ( Steve Brookstein).  I had bought it a few years ago when it was one of the most requested records played out on the scene.  I put it on my turntable and thought to myself, you know what,  this ain't a bad record. I think over the years we have all read of the deception by Ian Levine, but I do think that now is the time to give it a spin again.what do you think( and no swearing ) Rod

I don't bloody well think so!

I still do not understand how Levine managed to con everyone, just listen to it. Iit is crap!

I met a few years ago for the first time(you know what they say about meeting your heros!) and he gave me a copy. I keep thinking that I should hang it from a tree in my garden and use it for target practice but being a sentimental old soul I can't bring myself to do it. maybe i'll flog it any offers?

[Rodders22]

I didn't think I would upset so many Member over a record? Or did I, I think I'll put it away until someone discovers it again and try and make a few bucks. Thanks everyone for taking part and CALM DOWN. wonder if I got title wrong and it should have been. A true Soul record in;  NEW GIRL IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD-THE ATTRACTIONS. 

Paul It's one record! Have we forgot the latter years of the 70s when crap was pushed at us as being different,' I know you'll like it;;;

I think over the years we've all been Conned.  Rod

[Premium Stuff]

Rod

 

Have you considered doing this using the "poll" function 

 

Richard

[Rodders22]

Hey Richard,  I think it Would be a Tony Clarke-

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     Thanks thou mate Rod

[Paul R]

biddu orchestra exodus played at wigan m s packed floor

If it was Ms it doesn't count

 

Paul

[Pete S]

Exodus was a big Wigan main room spin on pre-release LP I think, I even saw a couple of people have it on EMIDISCS when they didn't put it out as a 45.  This is the same period as The Night, Weak Spot etc.  A 4 week wonder.  Confusing because on his LP he had a track called Northern Dancer I think, which they did issue as a single, but nobody was interested in.