Just saw this applied to Northern soul.....didn't quite know what to make of it....your take?

Edited May 24, 20187 yr by ROBNEWBURY
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Sums it up I’d say. No different to Rock N Roll or any other music genres. 

That was our time, still is for some and sadly not for others.

Guess we are lucky to have had a music culture that has lived through our years.

Alan

One word.......succinct.

That youth culture has made me the person that I am today.  Don't really know any other way of life. What am I supposed to do ? Would love to know . We where the lucky ones . There isn't even a youth culture today when I look at my kids . 

Steve 

7 minutes ago, Winsford Soul said:

That youth culture has made me the person that I am today.  Don't really know any other way of life. What am I supposed to do ? Would love to know . We where the lucky ones . There isn't even a youth culture today when I look at my kids . 

Steve 

All of the above, Could not have put it better myself.......  Rick

Soon to be an old man's culture left in the hands of youths.

Age is just a number, I'm still seventeen inside.  I don't think life would be half as sweet without our music.

Agree with the general perception.

A Youth Culture still in the hands of the same enthusiasts that might've aged somewhat but still feel the same.

I'm in a 50s and 60s cabaret band and the people that followed the RnR and stuff still on their scene too, at a lot older than even the oldest soulies.

Same with Punk and all the other movements where the people in it are still livin'...

Forget age enjoy life. Dance and drink and love our scene till your last breath.

As has already been said, there aren't really any "youth cultures" anymore, so why does it matter?

Northern Soul has transcended "youth", which is about the finest and most solid testimonial anyone could give it.

41 minutes ago, Russell Gilbert said:

As has already been said, there aren't really any "youth cultures" anymore, so why does it matter?

Northern Soul has transcended "youth", which is about the finest and most solid testimonial anyone could give it.

Well said.

Some of us old men fought  wars so the youth would have that same culture to pick up on later.

Everyone is pretty tolerant these days when it comes down to different forms of music but I can readily recall having to run the gauntlet of the local skinheads who hated us for no other reason than.we liked something different to them and their culture.

When I see kids now with thier spiky or coloured hair and wearing the t-shirts of pretend Punk bands like Green Day or Nirvana I laugh outrageously and think how much different it used to be when you'd have gotten a smack in the chops for looking like that once upon a time.

The youth today haven't got a clue..they have it very easy in comparison.

its not a youth culture its the soul fans CULTURE a way of life for us just keep on keeping on

There was a record a few years ago in the charts, some young American girl and one of the lines in the song was something like "punks with flowers in their hair"!!!!!!  Always made me raise my eyes to the heavens when I heard that line!

Clueless modern yooof!

Regards.

Drew.

'A youth culture left in the hands of old men'.....

Sums it up for me. None of us can look at a youth scene objectively 40-50 years after the event. You can't simply go back and re-hear all those tracks again for the first time through teenage ears. I've learned and forgotten so much since then, Tracks I loved then - I hate now and vice-versa. People and places that shaped my memories have all gone or changed. NOTHING can ever replicate that feeling of your first nighter or hearing your fave track for the first time.

Far too many of these old men forget what it was like as the new kid on the block and try and rewrite the history of scene to suite their own agenda and will happily tell anyone who will listen that 'their' version of events is in fact ''how it was' and they were all born rare soul fans.

  

 

Edited May 24, 20187 yr by Zed1

29 minutes ago, Zed1 said:

'A youth culture left in the hands of old men'.....

Sums it up for me. None of us can look at a youth scene objectively 40-50 years after the event. You can't simply go back and re-hear all those tracks again for the first time through teenage years. I've learned and forgotten so much since then, Tracks I loved then - I hate now and vice-versa. People and places that shaped my memories have all gone or changed. NOTHING can ever replicate that feeling of your first nighter or hearing your fave track for the first time.

Far too many of these old men forget what it was like as the new kid on the block and try and rewrite the history of scene to suite their own agenda and will happily tell anyone who will listen that 'their' version of events is in fact ''how it was' and they were all born rare soul fans.

  

 

Gaz. I knew we get get words of wisdom from you. You have been saying as much for years mate regarding the  northern soul scene.  Oops the rare soul scene sorry soul police. 😂 

Trust you n the lovely Debs are well mate 

Ste

I"m looking forward to the 1st OAP underground culture 😜😜

Cheers Paul

 

3 hours ago, Winsford Soul said:

Gaz. I knew we get get words of wisdom from you. You have been saying as much for years mate regarding the  northern soul scene.  Oops the rare soul scene sorry soul police. 😂 

Trust you n the lovely Debs are well mate 

Ste

I doubt very much anyone would trust this old man with the scene anyway Ste....... I'd probably forget where I'd put it!!.

Trust you and your's are good Bud?.

 

Edited May 24, 20187 yr by Zed1

39 minutes ago, Zed1 said:

 

I doubt very much anyone would trust this old man with the scene anyway Ste....... I'd probably forget where I'd put it!!.

Trust you and your's a good Bud?.

 

Gaz  We've got to be trusted mate. We are the future of this scene. 😎. Forgot where you put what ? 

Me n Lou are good thank you very much.

Ste

Edited May 24, 20187 yr by Winsford Soul

An old culture in the hands of youthful men as I see it. Vintage music from the 50’s and 60’s in the custodianship of 60 year old spinners and 20 year old backdroppers. The music keeps you young at heart. As has been mentioned many times on Soul-Source, folk of all ages rub shoulders at Allnighters and soul nights, Weekenders and Alldayers - the scene is progressive but has a fine history to look back on. It’s all magic to me as you drop the stylus on the record, hey presto, you’re transported back to the 60’s soundtrack, reminded of the 70’s and lapping it up in 2018.

5 hours ago, soul shrews said:

I"m looking forward to the 1st OAP underground culture 😜😜

Cheers Paul

Well, as we get older we’ll all be underground at some point. Does that count? ☠️😂

The heart is young...it's the knees that are old. Now where did the Wife leave her debit card and the front door keys?

dean

At a soul charity event for alzheimers some time back, a chap with a megaphone at the pre event rally... 'what do we want?..' we don't know!.. 'when do we want it?..' want what? '. 

3 hours ago, chas said:

At a soul charity event for alzheimers some time back, a chap with a megaphone at the pre event rally... 'what do we want?..' we don't know!.. 'when do we want it?..' want what? '. 

Hope you and the lurvly eileen are good m8 ? Xx baz n shelly

23 hours ago, ROBNEWBURY said:

Just saw this applied to Northern soul.....didn't quite know what to make of it....your take?

What was the source? If it was an article do you have a link?

Cannot remember where I saw it mate...was some time back....might have even been on here come to think of it..sorry...will let you know if I retrieve it.

youth aint what it was IMHO.  the divergence of traditional youth, pop, culture giving way to gaming, social media, action sports, sexting and F knows what else, has meant that youth cultures based around music and style, no longer have the same cultural value they once had. Youth sub cultures don't really exist in the same form. Teaching and working with teenagers for over 18 years and I'm really not envious of what they have. Its homogenised, trite and corporate on every level. The kids were begging me for Childish Gambino this morning, I dare say I would have heard the same request if I worked in France, Brazil or even Africa. There really nothing special about that, just another rapper making dollar.   

16 hours ago, soul shrews said:

I"m looking forward to the 1st OAP underground culture 😜😜

Cheers Paul

I'm looking forward to hearing the first young scallywag who shouts ''Piss off grandad" at me to be honest so I'll have a good excuse to smash a Frank Wilson bootleg over their head....

 

 

 Frank Wilson?Never heard of him. Can't have put many records out.

Edited May 25, 20187 yr by dean jj

Poor old Frankie Wilson once his record became "famous " it was quickly seen as taboo to play it anywhere how northern soul like is that we are a strange lot.😎

What a load of old bollecks , last night l played60's \ 70's tunes , today it's a bit of soulful garage \ house , old men YES, youth culture people never grow up . 🕺🎶

3 hours ago, Soulsides said:

I'm looking forward to hearing the first young scallywag who shouts ''Piss off grandad" at me to be honest so I'll have a good excuse to smash a Frank Wilson bootleg over their head....

 

 

Piss off grandad.  

Ste

54 minutes ago, Winsford Soul said:

Piss off grandad.  

Ste

😂

when was it last a youth culture? Back in the 80s probably.  Certainly isn't enough youth today to sustain an all-nighter scene which is a great shame.

 

14 minutes ago, chalky said:

when was it last a youth culture? Back in the 80s probably.  Certainly isn't enough youth today to sustain an all-nighter scene which is a great shame.

 

The youths of today haven't got a clue. They're taking the wrong drugs - ecstasy and charlie wont sustain an all nighter scene, they're rubbish. They need to get some proper gear like base amphetamine down em. 

18 minutes ago, chalky said:

when was it last a youth culture? Back in the 80s probably.  Certainly isn't enough youth today to sustain an all-nighter scene which is a great shame.

 

Suppose if what you say is true then the quote must be correct...a culture of our youth which we the oldies that are left, enjoy.

53 minutes ago, Peter99 said:

The youths of today haven't got a clue. They're taking the wrong drugs - ecstasy and charlie wont sustain an all nighter scene, they're rubbish. They need to get some proper gear like base amphetamine down em. 

Monkey dust is the answer! 

" The Follies of youth ,are in Retrospect ,Glorious , Compared to the Follies of Old Age " , G.K. Chesterton {poet and playwright} or was it Michael Palin or Eric Olthwaite,¨{ A Ripping Yorkshire Man}??

Yes we are a dying breed ,With our hip DJ,s Sam, Kev, Butch ,Ginger ,Butch ,JM, Pat, Chalky and Russ, all elligible for Bus Passes  !!

                                                                                              LOL Johnny.

56 minutes ago, Peter99 said:

The youths of today haven't got a clue. They're taking the wrong drugs - ecstasy and charlie wont sustain an all nighter scene, they're rubbish. They need to get some proper gear like base amphetamine down em. 

Pete. Trust your well sir.  

 I will have there's if they don't want it. 

Steve 

2 minutes ago, John Hart said:

" The Follies of youth ,are in Retrospect ,Glorious , Compared to the Follies of Old Age " , G.K. Chesterton {poet and playwright} or was it Michael Palin or Eric Olthwaite,¨{ A Ripping Yorkshire Man}??

Yes we are a dying breed ,With our hip DJ,s Sam, Kev, Butch ,Ginger ,Butch ,JM, Pat, Chalky and Russ, all elligible for Bus Passes  !!

                                                                                              LOL Johnny.

😮

37 minutes ago, chalky said:

😮

😂😂😂

I'd love to see an age-category dance off. Swing/R&R v N Soul. Who would win? LOL!

 

3 minutes ago, MBarrett said:

I'd love to see an age-category dance off. Swing/R&R v N Soul. Who would win? LOL!

 

An old bloke Dancing indoors wearing a Hat & Braces along with and old dear in a Circle Skirt...... now where have I seen that before?. 🤔

 

40 minutes ago, Zed1 said:

An old bloke Dancing indoors wearing a Hat & Braces along with and old dear in a Circle Skirt...... now where have I seen that before?. 🤔

 

Something very joyous about these two. IMHO.

Edited May 25, 20187 yr by MBarrett

45 minutes ago, MBarrett said:

I'd love to see an age-category dance off. Swing/R&R v N Soul. Who would win? LOL!

 

They look like they’re having fun - good luck to em

3 hours ago, Winsford Soul said:

Pete. Trust your well sir.  

 I will have there's if they don't want it. 

Steve 

Evening Steve 

Yes, I'm ok mate thanks. I hope all is good with you and Lou. I enjoyed the photo thread - I'm pretty sure that I remember seeing you about back in the day. The old picture of you with a tash, looks very familiar.

Pete

2 hours ago, MBarrett said:

Something very joyous about these two. IMHO.

Spot on Mark

Really uplifting.

response to OP.

Edited May 27, 20187 yr by Kenb
clarity

It was never a *'youth'* culture. It's our culture that we created when we were young. It remains ours forever.

Wasn't there back int day but your right 😁👍 atb baz.  The old school should be proud of it X

I find it a bit sad that northern soul has become our Beatles.

In the seventies, the aging sixties teenies got into Elton John or Pink Floyd or whatever and the fabs became totally passe and gradually they were into nothing. Then their kids grew up; journalists, teachers, the telly and the government kept telling them how swinging and groovy they were and they wanted some of it to tell their grandkids, who they were more or less bringing up while the parents worked and went out. Then Britpop, mojo, Q and all the rest made the fabs the swingingest, grooviest group ever - which they never were in the sixties - and everybody just bought into it.

Many northern people got into punk-rock, two-tone and gradually nothing (a big improvement on punkrock and 2 tone) until their kids grew up and Soul Survivors and Duffy and Fatboy Slim and other things converged to bring back northern for the masses, based on the same records, period fashions and even - most catastrophically - the perid format. Old jazzers still play their 10 inch graphites, but they also play vinyls, CDs and no doubt computers. 

I remeber when videos first came out and I paid £30 (a lot of money at the start of the eighties) for Brothers and Sisters (feat Marvin, Curtis, Ojays, Chilites, Temptations, Bill Withers, Jerry Butler, Staples, Main Ingredient, Gladys Knight, Jackson 5 and a gospell choir) and my brother telling me visuals was a different type of entertainment which didn't suit repeated viewing. Nowadays it's quite normal for people to watch, not just music performances, but feature films over and over again.

I remember when I would get an LP for christmas and another for a birthday, and I'd play them over and over again, but now I buy albums almost every day.

Just like we're not designed to read the same books and watch the same films over and over again, I don't believe we're designed to listen to the same music all the time forever. The first time I returned to northern soul was in the early eighties (though I have never become a northern soulie again) and I found I either knew everything or knew nothing, and most of the ones I knew I still liked. Each time since that I've returned to it, I find that I like less and less of the old records I loved in the mid-seventies, though a small minority remain amongst my favourite records.

It's not so much the scene I worry about but the very existence of Soul Music - the greatest music in the world - which I'm afraid has been badly served by the scene.