Discovery, venues, first plays, DJs etc...

My lass doesn't recall it from WC and Ms at all, I first heard early 80s, my lass knows it well and used to ask for it at Keele 80s (probably our Keith) however she can't put a finger on how/where/when she knew it from. If it's not a fave please no hate mail. 

 

I first heard it at Stafford played by Gary Rushbrooke

Des

I had it on a tape from Rob Marriott in 1980 BUT never heard it out at that time. 

Massive on the so called popcorn scene according to a Belgium acquaintance of mine , lovely atmospheric record , top ten for me . 🎶👍👌🎶

Shocked us to find out how many people don't know this one, obviously present company excepted.

Its a well know oldies now surely.  Gary Rushbrooke spin, may have been back end of Wigan, certainly early 80s post wigan, Stafford, Oddfellows etc. Would never have been played in Mr M’s as it wasn’t an oldie then and totally wrong kinda record. 

Great tune, not heard it out for years, hence some may not know it - That's the case for a lot of those 'used to get played' tunes. As you say, surprising sometimes, but makes sense if a tune has been 'shelved' as they say.

All the best,

Len 

Just now, LEN said:

Great tune, not heard it out for years, hence some may not know it - That's the case for a lot of those 'used to get played' tunes. As you say, surprising sometimes, but makes sense if a tune has been 'shelved' as they say.

All the best,

Len 

Well it's enjoying a huge boost in interest at the moment, thanks to my lass, it's going huge with all the DJs and folks we know. For me it's certainly been around for the entirety of my soul existence!

Same here - But it's great when old tunes get a new lease of life. It makes you appreciate them once again......or regret selling them 

Len 

Quality classic, it was played regularly on the scene in the 80's. Far more relevant than many oldies given big plays today. 

Yeah Massive well known even hammered tune during the 80s and 90s.Epitimises the more mid tempo soulful output that defined the Stafford period.

14 minutes ago, Patto said:

Yeah Massive well known even hammered tune during the 80s and 90s.Epitimises the more mid tempo soulful output that defined the Stafford period.

That's how we see it Patto but a lot nowadays don't know it, well they DO now! 

I know it well enough. Cracking soul record.

 

P

My lass has been championing it on all the fb soul forums and internet radio shows, it's enjoying a huge boost in popularity on the 21st C scene. Like we've all said a huge oldie for us, a recent discovery for a lot of newcomers, who absolutely adore it, and rightly so, it's superb! Thanks for the input folks!

Any known photos of the lovely lady?

This is from you tube- not 100% sure its her 

though

 

Edited May 1, 20187 yr by the yank

She’s a pretty well documented Detroit singer, recording with Dream Girls on Metro Records then on Big Top (Check out “Now He’s Gone” for that unmistakeable voice) The American Arts 45 was recorded at Golden World studios

 

Edited May 1, 20187 yr by SOUL INC

Just found this, captioned: Bobbie Smith at The Apollo 1960.

Known this for years...thought everyone did....it's gone up in price the last few years so it's collectable to a good few...great record imo....kind regards Rob.

p.s...it must be you south west lot!!!!.. (It's my favourite place the south west so don't take offence!!)

Edited May 1, 20187 yr by Lionelonthevinyl

3 hours ago, SOUL INC said:

I first heard it at Stafford played by Gary Rushbrooke

Des

same here des  definitely Gary Rushbrooke  

23 minutes ago, Lionelonthevinyl said:

Known this for years...thought everyone did....it's gone up in price the last few years so it's collectable to a good few...great record imo....kind regards Rob.

p.s...it must be you south west lot!!!!.. (It's my favourite place the south west so don't take offence!!)

It is!

My lass has turned them onto it and they're going mad for it! A very welcome thing. My lass knows her onions and still one of the prettiest girls on the scene!

Rob I don't take offense, the only thing that gets me down is people saying negative stuff about records, no need for it imo, positive or keep stum, that's how I play things, wish everyone did the same! 

Get down here, two great weekenders this year St Ives and Newquay, St Ives July sold out in January but Newquay in November still available!

Will be in Devon October I think, but unfortunately my wife finds us all bonkers being so mad about the music we love!! And if you get it your addicted!! As I posted earlier I never judge (one of my better points)...long haired, shaved haired, scruffy bugger, mods what ever...we are all into it for the music, it's an amazing scene I think, got someone once telling me about the stuff he had on tic-tac,,(ric-tic) bless him..never gonna cause me any bother, nice chap really...thank you..Rob

4 minutes ago, Lionelonthevinyl said:

Will be in Devon October I think, but unfortunately my wife finds us all bonkers being so mad about the music we love!! And if you get it your addicted!! As I posted earlier I never judge (one of my better points)...long haired, shaved haired, scruffy bugger, mods what ever...we are all into it for the music, it's an amazing scene I think, got someone once telling me about the stuff he had on tic-tac,,(ric-tic) bless him..never gonna cause me any bother, nice chap really...thank you..Rob

Devon? Wash your mouth out! 😉

Good man! It takes allsorts to make a soul brew!

4 minutes ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

Devon? Wash your mouth out! 😉

Good man! It takes allsorts to make a soul brew!

I love the diversity...every miss fit and there mates are at niters and most soul do,s...be good...Rob

1 hour ago, IAN STACEY said:

same here des  definitely Gary Rushbrooke  

 

06:29 . How quickly 34 years flies bye.......

42 minutes ago, simon t said:

 

06:29 . How quickly 34 years flies bye.......

Innit just. Good nights down there. 

👍

2 hours ago, Lionelonthevinyl said:

Known this for years...thought everyone did....it's gone up in price the last few years so it's collectable to a good few...great record imo....kind regards Rob.

p.s...it must be you south west lot!!!!.. (It's my favourite place the south west so don't take offence!!)

Rob. You say it's gone up in price mate  the last few years.. Remember it being something like £80 for years and normally on white demos . Think the last one I saw recently was £150. . I have only just been enlightened regarding the popcorn scene and the demand for this sort of record. 

Steve

Im assuming its the same Bobby? Just love this track by her too. 

 

 

3 minutes ago, geeselad said:

Im assuming its the same Bobby? Just love this track by her too. 

 

 

It is yes, she started in 1959 with The Dream girls.

 

1 hour ago, Winsford Soul said:

 and normally on white demos .

Where the WDs with red print and others with black print? Also a boot with black print? Or was there a boot of the issue on vinyl?

 

Edited May 1, 20187 yr by simon t

2 hours ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

It is yes, she started in 1959 with The Dream girls.

 

Yes.  The Dream Girls on Big Top, and Bobbie, solo on American Arts, were a Detroit group produced (and managed?) by Harry Balk.

4 hours ago, RobbK said:

Yes.  The Dream Girls on Big Top, and Bobbie, solo on American Arts, were a Detroit group produced (and managed?) by Harry Balk.

Robb ... been meaning to ask you for a  long time now ... how old were you when  your photo was taken ?

9 hours ago, Winsford Soul said:

Rob. You say it's gone up in price mate  the last few years.. Remember it being something like £80 for years and normally on white demos . Think the last one I saw recently was £150. . I have only just been enlightened regarding the popcorn scene and the demand for this sort of record. 

Steve

1st saw it Steve for about £35/40....thats when it came to my attention anyway. I'm from the midlands so makes sense it was played at Leicester (before my time) and maybe known up here more than elsewhere earlier?? Thank you....Rob

10 hours ago, Winsford Soul said:

Rob. You say it's gone up in price mate  the last few years.. Remember it being something like £80 for years and normally on white demos . Think the last one I saw recently was £150. . I have only just been enlightened regarding the popcorn scene and the demand for this sort of record. 

Steve

Been 80-120 for a long time.  Loads of copies about. 

14 hours ago, simon t said:

 

06:29 . How quickly 34 years flies bye.......

God the Vondells is still brilliant. Dx

Bobbie Smith - great record but prefer the other side 

9 minutes ago, Ahoy Sailor said:

Bobbie Smith - great record but prefer the other side 

Feel free to post it!

 

 

6 minutes ago, Ahoy Sailor said:

 

Nice - never heard that side. Is that a beat ballad? It is to me!

 

P

It got reissued on Goldmine Soul Supply last decade so it hasn't been forgotten about for too long. Certainly not overplayed though. I like it.

23 minutes ago, Peter99 said:

Nice - never heard that side. Is that a beat ballad? It is to me!

 

P

Miss Stronghearted

A gentle swing to the beat - so I think another one that the Popcorn folk would go for.

All in all a nice track. IMHO.

Edited May 2, 20187 yr by MBarrett

Ok some of you  are semi right it was first played by both Gary and guy at the tudor court  in draycott derby in 1982 twas a cold winter's nite remember it well as I walked the 4 miles from  Stapleford to get there as buses weren't running :-):-) 

beautiful record!

On 01/05/2018 at 23:14, simon t said:

 

I always remember rumours that the white demo of this was a boot. One of them is it?/isn't it? debates that went on. Did that ever get resolved?

There was defo a boot - the red print one - remember Richard Domar complaining about being ripped off with them. Dx

Gary Rushbrooke

On 01/05/2018 at 18:57, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

Just found this, captioned: Bobbie Smith at The Apollo 1960.

That's a pic taken by the official photographer at the Apollo. they always did them like this, sometimes just featuring the one act, sometimes 3 / 4 on the same bill. I always assumed these were taken on the first night (Friday) of a week long booking at the theatre & then sold to attendees every other night the act/s were on. ...  

Another from her ... 

 

Edited May 3, 20187 yr by Roburt

19 hours ago, JoeSoap said:

I always remember rumours that the white demo of this was a boot. One of them is it?/isn't it? debates that went on. Did that ever get resolved?

From what I have seen it was booted on vinyl, OVO will be styrene. Only what I've read here in old threads.

When was the bootleg pressed? And was it done for the UK Soul Scene or the Belgian Popcorn scene?

From what I recall the boot had white label/black writing just like the white demo but was missing the line on the label and the "not for sale" etc part.

10 minutes ago, Benji said:

When was the bootleg pressed? And was it done for the UK Soul Scene or the Belgian Popcorn scene?

From what I recall the boot had white label/black writing just like the white demo but was missing the line on the label and the "not for sale" etc part.

There is an original on styrene of that design if memory serves, boot is vinyl?

Edited May 3, 20187 yr by chalky

Bootleg design on vinyl...