...IS THIS A RED LIGHT DISTRICT?!x...I hope not....!x

[Sooty]

Evening!x It's been a while since I visited...covid...trips to Ukraine...blah blah...but...in between all that malarkey...I've DJ'd at several venues over the past 2 years....and i'm gobsmacked that the number 1 tune...in demand...TOP NORTHERN TRACK.....has been...Red Light Spells Danger.........???!!!!! WTF. 60+ year old women scream as it spins on the deck....like the Beatles are walking in. I didn't have it....but got a copy a few weeks back. I ain't spun it yet...not even at the Jubilee doo in Hull where I played lots of Northern........didn't even spin it when I had the decks for 5 hours live over the net to a group of music moguls gathering in London! But I played some Northern. Has the Northern Soul as I knew it....finished? I've never known that tune to be a Northern track....never got spun at my Youth Clubs....or even Keele in the 90's??? Anyway...I blamed John from Cambridge when DJing at the Sandcastle in Skeggy....said that he'd borrowed my copy for his gigs end and he hadn't returned it!! That got me off a lynching!!x So the ladies still loved me and we went into the night moaning about the other DJs....as you do!x Am I being rash? Disco is disco...init?x Funk for me from that era...for dancing x Is this....an anti Red Light district.......?...........you're my last hope!x Of Course i'll play it....at a slippers soul doo...like the Snake...and Out on the Floor....but.....you know......sigh.

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SOOTY
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Edited July 21, 2022 by Sooty

[Tomangoes]

Swons I guess..

Got these lads dancing in the streets!

Ed

 

[Solidsoul]

I wouldn't like to hear it at a Northern Soul allnighter.

If it's a divvy soul night, I suppose some punters will like it!

I remember it from the charts, but it might be a fresh new sound for some people!

Edited July 22, 2022 by Solidsoul

[Chalky]

You’ve been to too many div and handbaggers nights

[Leicester Boy]

A good record but Northern soul..no.

[Keamus]

Got a lot of time for Billy Ocean. Interesting interview on Lenny Henry’s Caribbean Britain prog earlier this week. However, I’d run a mile if I heard RLSD at a soul night!

[Steve G]

Seems it is a "big record", heard it at a do down here much to my absolute horror! 

 

[Ian Parker]

seen it fetch crazy money...   £30 is par for the course. .     good record,  regardless of its' chart history.  

   (not at a Northern soul event tho, please) 

[Tobytyke]

If it had just been discovered on a rare Detroit label with half a dozen copies............it would be on a famous auction site fetching thousands 

[Daved]

It used be popular at mod / scooterist events in the early 80s along with "Love Really Hurts Without You". I never understood how it crept in.

[Leicester Boy]

2 minutes ago, Daved said:

It used be popular at mod / scooterist events in the early 80s along with "Love Really Hurts Without You". I never understood how it crept in.

Let's be honest there's plenty crept in and many worse than rlsd.

[Tlscapital]

32 minutes ago, Tobytyke said:

If it had just been discovered on a rare Detroit label with half a dozen copies............it would be on a famous auction site fetching thousands 

87 copies from 28 pressings variations (different countries, promos...) on the notorious set-sale site with copies to grab starting at €0.50... 

Was played on the mod circuit in the early eighties as a "northern-y" tune next to the Jam, Dexies MR or other "pop-soul" thingies like that.

It kept on being played a lot on the scooter scene through the decade though. But it's "pop". OK "pop" but "pop" still. Even on a Detroit label.

[Mrmick]

4 hours ago, Leicester Boy said:

A good record but Northern soul..no.

Have seen him live,  he's a great singer/performer. But it's NOT northern 

[Ian Parker]

1 hour ago, Leicester Boy said:

Let's be honest there's plenty crept in and many worse than rlsd.

i can name quite a few....     but i best not 

[Tomangoes]

It's perfect for anything goes, across the board nights.

Fit in well with Wully Bully, return of django, when we get there, and tribute.

Ed

[Shinehead]

28 minutes ago, Tomangoes said:

It's perfect for anything goes, across the board nights.

Fit in well with Wully Bully, return of django, when we get there, and tribute.

Ed

If I turned up at across the board night i would expect to hear some Northern , crossover , Rnb not Wooly bully ,red light spells danger those are the tunes I would expect to hear in the pubs that still have pull a bird or bloke night disco with some karaoke thrown in .

 

 

 

[Steviehay]

4 hours ago, Ian Parker said:

seen it fetch crazy money...   £30 is par for the course. .     good record,  regardless of its' chart history.  

   (not at a Northern soul event tho, please) 

Send the wanters to me ive 4 copies from my disco days !!!

[Leicester Boy]

1 hour ago, Ian Parker said:

i can name quite a few....     but i best not 

Be a interesting thread.

[Chalky]

4 hours ago, Tomangoes said:

It's perfect for anything goes, across the board nights.

Fit in well with Wully Bully, return of django, when we get there, and tribute.

Ed

are you serious?  They are exactly the type of record and the type of people who play and listen to them that I went to niters to get away from

Edited July 22, 2022 by Chalky

[Tomangoes]

I'm that serious that I lost my cool on several "across the board" nights and started pontificating....and was threatened with several banning orders.

No complaints. Learned my lesson. Im not the judge and jury.

just listening to bobby guitar woods....and thinking its mighty nice to know...quality:)

ed

[Chalky]

10 minutes ago, Tomangoes said:

I'm that serious that I lost my cool on several "across the board" nights and started pontificating....and was threatened with several banning orders.

No complaints. Learned my lesson. Im not the judge and jury.

just listening to bobby guitar woods....and thinking its mighty nice to know...quality:)

ed

I would want my money back if I heard this or Wooly Bully

[Tomangoes]

1 hour ago, Chalky said:

I would want my money back if I heard this or Wooly Bully

It certainly pushed my boundaries..but a few enthusiastic folks were Bob Bob bobbing along to it) for aparent old times sake..

Ed

[Soulfusion]

Always a popular disco nostalgia number. Bit of resurgence following Peter Kay using it in Car Share a couple of years back maybe...

[Sooty]

THANK YOU ALL....for your reassuring comments.....and to the silent majority...all 1000 views...!x Chalky is hard core as usual and yes Mate i'm sure i've been on the hand bag end of the scene of late due to me being too busy for anything of my choice!! If I ain't at venues then i don't expect to be asked to DJ. I never put a DJ on at any venue I promoted unless they'd been to the venue. Didn't want'creamers'! I ain't one either....so....handbag doo's it is and the occasional Scooter doo!!x I don't get 'free' weekends these days! But when you're invited to DJ....and I get my rocks off with like minded folk....then i'm there. If its a Northern doo'....then I play Northern....but I do have to admit to playing Woolly Bully at the 100 Club Xmas Party 1994..........place went laaary!!!!x BUT....I....can carry it off! I played Dance Dance Dance by the Casualeers too....in a normal month.....most hard core would have give it a Snake/Do I Love you attitude who were in the room that night.....yet the 'kids'....who have now been on the scene for 30 years themselves......LOVED IT...came rushing to the decks wondering wtf that was.....just like I did when hearingt it at youth club 20 years earlier....!!! So there's a time and a place for every tune...as time goes by....and it seems Red Light....is on the Disco pile......and i'm glad my judgement of wot Norvern is hasn't wained even if my attendance at functions has!x Blame the Russians!x Thanx again for all your comments....its good to be amongst ure own...nice one X

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X

....arghhhh.....and I can't help but spin Nellie the Elephant at BIG gigs I do these days......which is anuver reason why I don't get invited to dJ at decent gigs on the scene I figured hahaha...!!!x THEEEE elephant in the room...although i've lost 2 stone since this....thankfully......tadaaa!x

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[Hooker1951]

Come on everybody let’s get serious if you don’t know the difference in music genres by know I’m afraid a lot of time as been wasted

ML

[Sooty]

...'ere Chalky...X My co presenter Princess Ruby here asks if you could have handled 17 versions of the 'Frozen' song....in all keys except the right one....at this charitable handbag doo...?!!x Dan and his crew insist I play Susan Cadogans Hurt So Good and Sham 69's If The Kids are United again when we meet and have confirmed after a 'gathering' that I will be stabbed if their Mrs's can't wiggle to Red Light at the next 'handbag' doo we meet......! Marvellous pressure there.....EASY LIFE YOU LOT HAVE....SIGH. Chopsy (Paul Gordon 3rd pic) loves your show.....he sends me tracks asking if i'd heard them.........stuff I was spinning in the 90's or heard at youth clubs in the 70's!!! Innocence...luv it...!x

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Edited July 24, 2022 by Sooty

[Hill868]

How f...ing sad... about sums up large portions of the (alleged) soul scene.

[Tomangoes]

I'm so out of touch with todays scene...its incredible.

I thought I'd heard the lowest point at LV 2018 when December 63 got spun, but obviously not.

Shock jocks rule ok.

I assume the threat of being stabbed if a record is not played is an exaggeration? 

If not, I'd give up dj ing as a bad job.

Ed

[Guest]

I suppose it all depends on the crowd you are entertaining and their expectations. I did a set on Saturday in S London for a long term mate who was celebrating his 60th. This meant some lovers mixed with soul. Now if I played Beres Hammond or the Mighty Diamonds at a northern soul night I’d not be allowed back to Boston(see another thread).

And no I wouldn’t play RLSD at a northern gig but I do remember it being played in Nottingham at The Palais in the 70s. These were soul nights . It wouldn’t have been played at The Brittania.

[Sooty]

35 minutes ago, Tomangoes said:

"I assume the threat of being stabbed if a record is not played is an exaggeration? "

Of course Ed....literary license!x These folk were part of a Scooter Rally event I DJd at and have done for 5 years.....we had a RAVE....and they LUV me!x I like rallys as I get to play stuff just on the edge of Northern....'mod' tunes I suppose...like this which I kick off with........ain't got time to waste init!!!x

Red Light was in demand at the main event where I was DJing....I know it was the most popular tune at theee designated Northern venue up the road too...and saw it RAM the floors....3 times in a night!!! Last time I saw that happen was when Keith Minshull spun Too Many People' by Bobby Goldsboro for a 3rd time...at Keele Xmas party 1992....I danced to it all 3 times WOOOHOOOOO WOT A NIGHT!!!x So...as the Duke of Burgundy has said....several times!...it depends on the crowd and nature of the event...as to wether its 'acceptable' or not! Sometimes its a 'I woz there' moment!x

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[Tomangoes]

Live and let live.

There's been many records loved by others and despised by me over the years, like everybody.

The Joker went Wild, When we get there, Wait a minute, nine times out of ten, and my hearts symphony to name just a handful.

All got their place in History, and at the end of the day, the dj has to entertain the crowd in place.

Ed

[Hill868]

3 hours ago, Tomangoes said:

Live and let live.

There's been many records loved by others and despised by me over the years, like everybody.

The Joker went Wild, When we get there, Wait a minute, nine times out of ten, and my hearts symphony to name just a handful.

All got their place in History, and at the end of the day, the dj has to entertain the crowd in place.

Ed

Surely if the dj has any kind of discerning soul awareness and credibility, he/she wouldn't actually own any of those records, let alone have them in the box to play ?!?

[Leicester Boy]

39 minutes ago, Hill868 said:

Surely if the dj has any kind of discerning soul awareness and credibility, he/she wouldn't actually own any of those records, let alone have them in the box to play ?!?

Rejig of past events is a somewhat dangerous thought process, nine times out of ten was of its moment and filled the floors. We really need to appreciate tastes can change but it's impossible to change the past. Not having a go at you just stating my views.

[Tomangoes]

2 hours ago, Hill868 said:

Surely if the dj has any kind of discerning soul awareness and credibility, he/she wouldn't actually own any of those records, let alone have them in the box to play ?!?

I think we are talking about 'anything goes, across the board, let's have a party ' scene here.

Unlikely Searling and Co would be on stage at these kind of events anyway.

Personally I would not attend an event like this, because I'd get agitated when records like rlsd or 9xof10 hit the decks.

On the other hand, I can imagine a fair few punters walking out of a more puritanical event when these tunes don't get played.

Ed

 

[Hooker1951]

Let’s get real again, Billy Ocean, Hot chocolate, Real thing etc etc sang pop songs touched with a splattering of Soul it has a place in the hit parade of the past top of the pops etc but it has no place at authentic NS venues otherwise they are not NS venues anymore they are venues pretending to be NS a completely different beast , You can have a real club Soul night with much stronger , powerful music than the above named and similar, This should not be hard to put into perspective or is a touch of dementia starting to creep in to the scene

KR

ML

[Timbo58]

Definitely a 'scooterist soul' record.

Nothing wrong with that -and it's favourite of mine along with the normal culprits like 'love really hurts etc.

We had some new faces at west wilts Saturday night, and requests came in, which all of the residents had lurking in our 2nd or 3rd boxes at home, but which we never get any call for and so we didn't have.

predictably: the snake, footsie, red light. I actually offered to play Greg Perry/Jeff Perry, but that wasn't good enough.

Apparently we were all only playing 'underplayed & mega rare' stuff no-one knows!

Apart from the 60+ people on the dance floor for 5 hours that is!

Frankly 99% I hear the phrase 'underplayed' as some sort of critique it's always from someone that never goes anywhere -it ain't underplayed mate -it's underheard -by you!

[Sooty]

4 hours ago, Hill868 said:

Surely if the dj has any kind of discerning soul awareness and credibility, he/she wouldn't actually own any of those records, let alone have them in the box to play ?!?

All depends what kind of DJ you are talking about Hill868!!x I also think 'soul awareness' and 'credibility' are loose words too. As a limo firm i've married over 300 brides in the past 25 years. I offer a complete wedding service...organise the whole lot and DJ at the reception. In over 100 receptions I have took with me The Snake...Frank Wilson...The Champion....Wayne Gibsons Under My Thumb and Tobi Legends legendary tune Time Will Pass you by. Never have I had to play more than 2 of those tunes to satisfy the 'Northern Soul' element in the room. Uncle Ted normally jumps on the floor to the Snake and is puffing for wind by the 2nd minute. That's it. Motown is covered by The Supremes obvious tunes and a couple of The Four Tops and Isley Bros. As A DJ...i'm 'Soul Aware'....thanx to my Mams collection during the 60's. Conway Twitty....Jimmy Jones....James Dean...and Wayne Fontana (RIP x) was in there as her name is Pamela...so Pamela Pamela was on one side and Something Keeps Calling me back on t'other. I danced to all of it in my bedroom aged 6/7/8 before the term Northern Soul was invented. It certainly gave me a wide understanding of 'singers'...songs...and listened to any new tune I heard and it wasn't until I was 13/14in '74 when I discovered Northern Soul tunes at my youth club which like James Deans Big Bad John...and Jimmy Jones's I'll Try...made my hairs raise on my arm. Hooked. 

My first B side I liked...and Wayne Fontanas Skcmb B side...encouraged me to play both sides of a record....aged 6/7 in the late 60's....

However....I have to say this....what made me a good Northern DJ was having an understanding of different music....and knowing their place. It enables me at a party to go from Soul to Rock n Roll...Reggae...Merseybeat...Motown  and pop...and hold the floor. Not many 'DJs' can do that.  Most Northern DJ's i've shared the stage with know around 30-50,000 tunes...I know intimately 100's of 1000's. I've collected 3,000 of the best from the past 70 years of music production....covering all genres. Only 600 of them are Northern....yet I have followed Butch often at the 100 Club and many other TOP DJ's....and held my own. I remember spinning Emporer of My Babys Heart in 1994 at the 100 Club. Folk whom had 'cred' and I was wanting to respect said it was rock n roll/Doo wop!!! So whose 'soul awareness' are we going by.......and as for 'credibility'...mines based on leaving dance floors in a pool of sweat wherever I go. The floor tells me how i've done not any collector/mogul lurking in a corner!!! I just added this to my NORTHERN collection....yet it would have sat cosy in my Mams collection with Jimmy Dean and Jimmy Jones...I reckon!x

So....I do have tunes that others won't have in their box at a doo..because ' people' demand them. I ain't there to impoose my choice of tunes except at an All Nighter or if DJing at the 100 club.....no....I'm there to 'entertain'. Otherwise I wouldn have half the Northern in my box as I have as most are overplayed and certainly don't get me up as they used too. At a Soul/scooter Night....if asked...and it was right then yes i'd play RLSD....as well as the Snake...despite the fact neither do it for me. Thats what DJs do...entertain the people. Collector DJs however...educate us. I love them all and can't wait for summink new to dance too. Richard Serling said it to me himself....it takes both kinds to provide a full scene for all....and i'm proud to wave a flag for DJs....and respect my fellow 'hard core' Collectors X

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SOOTY
X

[Ian Parker]

cant argue with the above (Sooty) ,   well said

[Chalky]

8 hours ago, Sooty said:

All depends what kind of DJ you are talking about Hill868!!x I also think 'soul awareness' and 'credibility' are loose words too. As a limo firm i've married over 300 brides in the past 25 years. I offer a complete wedding service...organise the whole lot and DJ at the reception. In over 100 receptions I have took with me The Snake...Frank Wilson...The Champion....Wayne Gibsons Under My Thumb and Tobi Legends legendary tune Time Will Pass you by. Never have I had to play more than 2 of those tunes to satisfy the 'Northern Soul' element in the room. Uncle Ted normally jumps on the floor to the Snake and is puffing for wind by the 2nd minute. That's it. Motown is covered by The Supremes obvious tunes and a couple of The Four Tops and Isley Bros. As A DJ...i'm 'Soul Aware'....thanx to my Mams collection during the 60's. Conway Twitty....Jimmy Jones....James Dean...and Wayne Fontana (RIP x) was in there as her name is Pamela...so Pamela Pamela was on one side and Something Keeps Calling me back on t'other. I danced to all of it in my bedroom aged 6/7/8 before the term Northern Soul was invented. It certainly gave me a wide understanding of 'singers'...songs...and listened to any new tune I heard and it wasn't until I was 13/14in '74 when I discovered Northern Soul tunes at my youth club which like James Deans Big Bad John...and Jimmy Jones's I'll Try...made my hairs raise on my arm. Hooked. 

My first B side I liked...and Wayne Fontanas Skcmb B side...encouraged me to play both sides of a record....aged 6/7 in the late 60's....

However....I have to say this....what made me a good Northern DJ was having an understanding of different music....and knowing their place. It enables me at a party to go from Soul to Rock n Roll...Reggae...Merseybeat...Motown  and pop...and hold the floor. Not many 'DJs' can do that.  Most Northern DJ's i've shared the stage with know around 30-50,000 tunes...I know intimately 100's of 1000's. I've collected 3,000 of the best from the past 70 years of music production....covering all genres. Only 600 of them are Northern....yet I have followed Butch often at the 100 Club and many other TOP DJ's....and held my own. I remember spinning Emporer of My Babys Heart in 1994 at the 100 Club. Folk whom had 'cred' and I was wanting to respect said it was rock n roll/Doo wop!!! So whose 'soul awareness' are we going by.......and as for 'credibility'...mines based on leaving dance floors in a pool of sweat wherever I go. The floor tells me how i've done not any collector/mogul lurking in a corner!!! I just added this to my NORTHERN collection....yet it would have sat cosy in my Mams collection with Jimmy Dean and Jimmy Jones...I reckon!x

So....I do have tunes that others won't have in their box at a doo..because ' people' demand them. I ain't there to impoose my choice of tunes except at an All Nighter or if DJing at the 100 club.....no....I'm there to 'entertain'. Otherwise I wouldn have half the Northern in my box as I have as most are overplayed and certainly don't get me up as they used too. At a Soul/scooter Night....if asked...and it was right then yes i'd play RLSD....as well as the Snake...despite the fact neither do it for me. Thats what DJs do...entertain the people. Collector DJs however...educate us. I love them all and can't wait for summink new to dance too. Richard Serling said it to me himself....it takes both kinds to provide a full scene for all....and i'm proud to wave a flag for DJs....and respect my fellow 'hard core' Collectors X

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SOOTY
X

Talk about stating the bleedin' obvious.  You are talking different kinda venues, horses for courses and nothing none of us fail to grasp or understand.  The first one is of no interest to us, div venues and weddings, probably the kinda place you belong reading what you write, the kinda place RLSD belongs and  they are of no interest to this forum.  FFS 1000's of Dj can do what you say they can't, they do it every week.

Edited July 25, 2022 by Chalky

[Sooty]

Weddings....are fantastic Chalky...keeps your DJ skills on the ball i'd say!x I use them occasions to PROMOTE our scene. Yes I take the obvious tunes but I slip in several tunes in my quiz....Richard Berry Have Love will travel...Rubin -You've been away....and current tunes featuring on adverts....drip feeding the vibe. How do folk who don't know about the scene get into it if they don't hear the music? I've always been looking for opportunity to include and share the joy we all have. That's a wedding to me. 'Div' venues.......who are the'us'that uses such vernacular for fellow Soulies??? I don't use that as it sounds condescending as in my book that covers most Soul Nights in the UK today....part timers possibly come back on the scene in the last 20-25 years?? Sad to hear they are of no interest to you or others like you. Equally If I DJ at a so called 'div' night then again I put tracks in there among the obvious to enlighten...surprise...educate and make happy. You're sounding like the scene was back in the 90's grumpy old soulies looking to keep it to yourselves spinning labels to each other. These so called 'DJ's' you reckon are out there need to come out of their shells then Chalky as i ain't seen many that can...on the Northern scene. Blinkered one trick ponys is my experience...of many. I surrounded myself with similar folk to me...and that is what the punters wanted...entertainers. JOB DONE. The 'Div' reference sadly sounds like divisionilism...instead of divine followers. They are going to a function to be entertained...sad if the so called echelons' of the scene don't consider them teachable....or keen to learn....and sadly inferior for some reason. I find they are keen to progress. I've got 11,000 kids to entertain next week at Lincolnshire Showground. I bet I get 15-20 Northern tracks away during the week. 9-16 year olds. I was in Borstal at 16....many were bunking off to Wigan. Why do you think the kids of these days wouldn't be inspired....by our music...with the right DJ sharing it? Just like 'divs'. I am optimistic and  look to generate new followers. If we followed your suggestions then the scene will be dead in about 15-20 years time as all the 'original' Wigan/Torch hard core old school folk will be gone. It's not your 'secret' for  you and ure buddies to take to the grave mate....I suggest!X It's the longest running underground Dance scene in THE WORLD. I'm proud of that....and don't consider anyone a 'div' for liking the music and supporting the scene in any capacity. But that's why i'm loved...by the majority....I reckon!x Those few haters....have never ever ever dared come out of their dark corners to say it to my face....can't...and won't....so I carry on!!x I will have this as the theme tune for the 11,000 kids....and you see what happens after 5 days of them learning it...a spin I had to kick off with at venues Nationwide through the 90's...the punters insisted. I'll get the kids to clap to it as we do....and make them learn the lyrics....i'm motivated....THANK YOU X

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Edited July 25, 2022 by Sooty

[Kenb]

48 minutes ago, Sooty said:

Weddings....are fantastic Chalky...keeps your DJ skills on the ball i'd say!x I use them occasions to PROMOTE our scene. Yes I take the obvious tunes but I slip in several tunes in my quiz....Richard Berry Have Love will travel...Rubin -You've been away....and current tunes featuring on adverts....drip feeding the vibe. How do folk who don't know about the scene get into it if they don't hear the music? I've always been looking for opportunity to include and share the joy we all have. That's a wedding to me. 'Div' venues.......who are the'us'that uses such vernacular for fellow Soulies??? I don't use that as it sounds condescending as in my book that covers most Soul Nights in the UK today....part timers possibly come back on the scene in the last 20-25 years?? Sad to hear they are of no interest to you or others like you. Equally If I DJ at a so called 'div' night then again I put tracks in there among the obvious to enlighten...surprise...educate and make happy. You're sounding like the scene was back in the 90's grumpy old soulies looking to keep it to yourselves spinning labels to each other. These so called 'DJ's' you reckon are out there need to come out of their shells then Chalky as i ain't seen many that can...on the Northern scene. Blinkered one trick ponys is my experience...of many. I surrounded myself with similar folk to me...and that is what the punters wanted...entertainers. JOB DONE. The 'Div' reference sadly sounds like divisionilism...instead of divine followers. They are going to a function to be entertained...sad if the so called echelons' of the scene don't consider them teachable....or keen to learn....and sadly inferior for some reason. I find they are keen to progress. I've got 11,000 kids to entertain next week at Lincolnshire Showground. I bet I get 15-20 Northern tracks away during the week. 9-16 year olds. I was in Borstal at 16....many were bunking off to Wigan. Why do you think the kids of these days wouldn't be inspired....by our music...with the right DJ sharing it? Just like 'divs'. I am optimistic and  look to generate new followers. If we followed your suggestions then the scene will be dead in about 15-20 years time as all the 'original' Wigan/Torch hard core old school folk will be gone. It's not your 'secret' for  you and ure buddies to take to the grave mate....I suggest!X It's the longest running underground Dance scene in THE WORLD. I'm proud of that....and don't consider anyone a 'div' for liking the music and supporting the scene in any capacity. But that's why i'm loved...by the majority....I reckon!x Those few haters....have never ever ever dared come out of their dark corners to say it to my face....can't...and won't....so I carry on!!x I will have this as the theme tune for the 11,000 kids....and you see what happens after 5 days of them learning it...a spin I had to kick off with at venues Nationwide through the 90's...the punters insisted. I'll get the kids to clap to it as we do....and make them learn the lyrics....i'm motivated....THANK YOU X

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Sooty,It seems the surrealism of your posts into the topic “Is this really the state of our scene” has jumped (shape shifted) to this thread too.

[Sooty]

1 hour ago, Kenb said:

Sooty,It seems the surrealism of your posts into the topic “Is this really the state of our scene” has jumped (shape shifted) to this thread too.

....no worries Kenb.....'the people' will find my comments and read both threads....the 'buzz' has gone round the FB groups 'Sooty's on Soul Source'......and i have no problem in repeating myself and I.....X X 

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....AND NO........ I ain't back on Soul Source or any other Northern platform.....i'll stick to the real world and dancing and spinning of tunes taaa.....and see you all there at the next one!x However...i started....so i'll finish or answer comments on my thread I started....accountability....X The real world beckons and I can't wait to tell Bear Grylls next week he's a div.....he loves my tunes!!! Knows nowt but what i tell him......but he takes the pi** outta what I don't know that he knows all the time......PAYBACK!!!x Bear Div....Div Grylls. Yeah....needs thinking on for best impact!X OOOOOMG...just realised who else is a div...my mate Paul Abbott!!!! He sez he went to Wigan once and loves Northern Soul....he asked me to take him to a gig and I will....but he'll be a Div i'm sure! He must be anyway. For anyone to able to write the scripts for Shameless....about divs....must be a div!! Sorry Chalky.....im getting it now....it takes a div to write about a div........I got there in the end!x

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[Amsterdam Russ]

Am I alone in thinking it really funny that the two main protagonists on this and the "State of the scene today" thread are called "Sooty" and "Chalky" - with one supporting and encouraging the ongoing integration of "Northern Soul" into the mainstream and the other continuing to fiercely argue for its segregation from that mainstream, and that anyone not inside "the club" (my words) and obeying its rules is a "div"? 

[Leicester Boy]

I find both when you cut away the fog very entertaining. Two ends of a show I find myself in the middle ground of. Traditionalist and modernist. 

[Benji]

6 hours ago, Amsterdam Russ said:

Am I alone in thinking it really funny that the two main protagonists on this and the "State of the scene today" thread are called "Sooty" and "Chalky" - with one supporting and encouraging the ongoing integration of "Northern Soul" into the mainstream and the other continuing to fiercely argue for its segregation from that mainstream, and that anyone not inside "the club" (my words) and obeying its rules is a "div"? 

Agree, though it seems to me that Chalky talks about "the scene" whereas Sooty talks about "himself on the scene".

[Steve G]

"Scene" what "scene"? Seems to me there are at least 25 distinct "scenes" these days. Each has their own "DJs" and people that will attend their events, but not go to "another scene" event down the road. Totally fragmented so talk of a "scene" is meaningless. 

 

 

 

Edited July 26, 2022 by Steve G

[Chalky]

7 hours ago, Amsterdam Russ said:

Am I alone in thinking it really funny that the two main protagonists on this and the "State of the scene today" thread are called "Sooty" and "Chalky" - with one supporting and encouraging the ongoing integration of "Northern Soul" into the mainstream and the other continuing to fiercely argue for its segregation from that mainstream, and that anyone not inside "the club" (my words) and obeying its rules is a "div"? 

Mainstream?  I haven't heard RLSD at a mainstream event.  Classic oldies, maybe club soul etc but not out and out chart music such as RLSD. I'm also very welcoming to new people on whatever part of the scene I follow and have helped and supported many over the years.  

But I am a traditionalist if you like and I find or reckon that records like RLSD will just encourage the playing of more records of that ilk.  Anyone not on the scene have always been "divs" which you probably know, the kind of people as I've said before we went to niters to get away from.  Of course people are welcome on the scene but why try and change it to something it isn't?  Why join it in the first place if you want to hear pop music (I know the scene has had its fair share of pop over the years),  I presume you join it for the music and of course the friendship.

Edited July 26, 2022 by Chalky

[Amsterdam Russ]

14 minutes ago, Steve G said:

there are at least 25 distinct "scenes"

Care to enlighten us all?

[Steve G]

1 minute ago, Amsterdam Russ said:

Care to enlighten us all?

Nope. 

[Amsterdam Russ]

Just now, Steve G said:

Nope.