Whats The Story On This?

[Soul-slider]

I like it, and I love the flip too 'Lost My Sense Of Direction'....but then I'm a sucker for blue-eyed Northern tunes.

Here's the copy I have in my box. 1973 on the label....

Edited November 5, 2012 by Soul-Slider

[Roburt]

These credits dont look too much like what is credited on the actual record old boy.

Writers J.Della/P.Valvano ............. Mi-Val Music Co ............ ASCAP

Kegsy

I know me'lad, but that's how it's registered with BMI ............. & most of Mike's songs are registered with BMI today (80 to 90 in total).

[Roburt]

Roburt what makes you think it's a 60s recording?

Coz it sounds like one (& for no other reason).

[Kegsy]

I know me'lad, but that's how it's registered with BMI ............. & most of Mike's songs are registered with BMI today (80 to 90 in total).

So how do you explain writer and Music co differences ???

kegsy

[Chalky]

Roburt what makes you think it's a 60s recording?

It was said at the time it was breaking big it was a late 60's recording but not pressed until '73. Dunno where the info came from, maybe Flynny can expanding on it.

[Roburt]

Most likely ASCAP registration done in 73; BMI registration done in 80's / 90's .....

..... and the original guy involved with Mike was no longer around

............... OR .............

the original name was 'fake' coz the 2nd guy was signed to a different publisher at the time.

STOP ASKIN' HARD QUESTIONS KEGSY ... or I'll not let you have your ball back !!

[Jim G]

If it was played in 73 / 74 it would have packed the floors and been an all time classic as it is a perfect northern "sound" IMO.

What's the story with these copies

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Joey-Delorenzo-Wake-Up-To-The-Sunshine-Girl-Fabulous-/110973132835?pt=UK_Records&hash=item19d683a023

Edited November 5, 2012 by jim g

[Steve G]

If it was played in 73 / 74 it would have packed the floors and been an all time classic as it is a perfect northern "sound" IMO.

What's the story with these copies

https://www.ebay.co.u...=item19d683a023

Steve Jeffries label?

[Roburt]

WAKE UP TO THE SUNSHINE GIRL ..... BMI Work #6146787

Songwriters / Composers .... PAVLIK JOHN LEON & VALVANO MICHAEL

Publishers .... JET EYE MUSIC INC

Lifted from John Pavlik / Johnny Power's web site ...............

In addition to his successes as an artist and producer, Johnny Power's entrepreneurial skills resulted in the publishing companies begun by him. Powerhouse Music and his current enterprise, JET-EYE MUSIC Inc. With Jet-Eye, Powers played a pivotal role in revitalizing the career of his friend George Clinton by licensing Clinton's music to various labels around the world. Jet-Eye is also responsible for reissuing classic recordings by numerous rock, jazz and doo-wop acts of the 1950s, '60s and '70s with internationally recognized labels in the United States, Europe and Asia. Powers negotiated and placement his performance of "Say It" in the Hemdale Film's production of Mosquito which aired originally on USA Cable Network and it continues to air on U.S and international television networks.

So it seems that the BMI Jet-Eye registration for the song is even more recent (after Y2K I'd guess).

[Sebastian]

Here's the copy I have in my box. 1973 on the label....

That's the reissue/bootleg.

The original reads:

( C ) 1973 <- the "C" is in a brackets

The bootleg reads

© 1973 <- the "C" is in a circle

Edited November 5, 2012 by Sebastian

[Soul-slider]

Yes, I thought it was, thanks Sebastian. Labels reversed too.

Edited November 5, 2012 by Soul-Slider

[Northern Soul Uk]

Steve Jeffries label?

This is one of the ones I just bought for £11, so if the price of this listing is correct (which I doubt), another bargain goes into the box.

Can I say it's really good to hear different peoples opinions about certain records, there is a massive difference in tastes across the scene, which in my eyes is very healthy.

Always being a lover of many 'Blue eyed Soul' records, including the brilliant 'Mickey Moonshine', I think it was fate that I heard this and liked it and bought it immediately.

I have now listened to it about 10 times, and that's before I have even recieved the record through the post, and I really can't see what is not to like about it? Doesn't bother me if a certain collector with rich parents made it, or someone in the 60s in a USA studio, it's the sound and what it instills in the listener that matters most, and to me, I think it great.

Quite simply put, it's what Northern Soul is all about, Energy, Strings, danceable, decent vocals. OK Not the best in the world, granted, but certainly not the worst when you throw into the mix 'Joe 90' and the like

Edited November 5, 2012 by Steve Luigi

[Liljimmycrank]

How legit is the issue put out by Steve Jeffries? Full rights purchased etc?

And thanks sebastian for putting my mind at rest that I sold the boot (listed as a boot) and not the original!! Which goes for about £600??

[Dylan]

Big for Kenny Burrell as I remember, considered far too poppy and white sounding by all the soul snobs

Great northern,liked it when first heard it but soon found it irritating.

you've surely contradicted yourself there.

if I think its poppy i'm a soul snob.

if you find it irritating thats OK and you're not a snob ?

[Benji]

Ah, Joey DeLorenzo! Fantastic Northern record to dance to.I love it and always will.

Never went to the Dome myself but heard Flynny spinning it quite a few times all over Europe. Always filled the floor to capacity.

I remember all those rumours and conspiracy theories flying around in Northern Soul internet back then. "Levine tailormade production", "recent press" etc. Best one was a guy who insisted it is an unissued Kevin Rowland cut from the Dexys days (tho it sounds a bit like him doesn't it?)

[Northern Soul Uk]

It does sound like old Kev to be honest, good mind to contact him and see if he'll own up

[John A]

you've surely contradicted yourself there.

if I think its poppy i'm a soul snob.

if you find it irritating thats OK and you're not a snob ?

I dunno, you've lost me..Who cares anyway... i like loads of records that have been branded pop. Loved Joey Delorenzo when I first heard it then soon found myself thinking "god,not again" when played.Many soul greats have had the same effect on me too.

[Jim G]

I like it, and I love the flip too 'Lost My Sense Of Direction'....but then I'm a sucker for blue-eyed Northern tunes.

Here's the copy I have in my box. 1973 on the label....

So this is the boot then according to the description above as the C is in the circle. Only checking so I know in case I get lucky and find an original for nowt one day!

[Northern Soul Uk]

The original has 'c' in Brackets

Bootleg has 'C' in a circle

UK Repress on 'Fabulous' records 2002

That's what it looks like they are saying.

This looks like an orig from a video on Youtube.

Edited November 5, 2012 by Steve Luigi

[Steve G]

I often wonder with records this fast whether they were running out of studio time or something....

[Northern Soul Uk]

I often wonder with records this fast whether they were running out of studio time or something....

yeah but if it wasn't for similar records this fast, would the Northern Soul scene have been formed?

as most of the Torch, Casino tunes were similar speed.

Maybe that's a question for another thread eh?

Edited November 5, 2012 by Steve Luigi

[Soul-slider]

It does sound like old Kev to be honest, good mind to contact him and see if he'll own up

I'm pretty sure I saw an L.P once, a few years back, by Joey Delorenzo so he does exist. From memory it was mid 70's and he was an Italian looking fella.

[Soul-slider]

This is he, supposedly...

[Northern Soul Uk]

This is he, supposedly...

He does look Italian definitely, there are and were a lot of Italian Americans, so could easily be.

Did the album have this cut on?

[Robbk]

Correction, according to Soulful Detroit Mike Valvano died on April 10 2002 of a heart attack.

This was posted a guy called Ralph after being told by Harry Balk (Twirl Records Detroit)

Not 2003 as I previously stated.

Kegsy

Ralph is Ralph Terrana (ex-Motown sound engineer, and owner of Terra Shirma Studio. Harry Balk was also owner of Impact and Inferno Records.

[Robbk]

With Pavlik (Johnny Powers) as co-writer, I suspect that it WAS written in the late 1960s, while Valvano was still in Detroit. Based on the story of Berry Gordy sending Valvano to Albuquerque in 1972, and mike meeting his future wife, marrying her, and remaining there, it seems that Valvano wanted to record DeLorenzo, and needed material. So he used an old song from the late '60s that he and Powers had written. But the recording must have been made in 1973 in Albuquerque. I don't hear any of the usual Detroit session players or Detroit studios in the record's sound.

[soulster22]

I once owned a copy which i just put down to being a boot so sold it on.

It was a mi-val copy, but with labels reversed. I'm sure JM's boot guide has some info on it, and that's why i assumed it to be a boot.

Just to add, this was one of the first times i started experiencing bootlegs Vs OV and making sure i only bought OV, when i was 17 (now 29).

Never seen an original, wouldn't know if i let a real one go, and to be honest, wouldn't care, cos it's krap.............Although if it was original and worth £1k then i'd be p*ssed off of course!!

I had an original with labels reversed and thought that this was the only one in that format. bought it from a guy in Leeds for £600.00 and got nearly £1000.00 when i moved it on later on ebay.

there is a lookalike boot but i think that you may have sold an Original without knowing. incidently i believe thatPete French told me that at the time there were only 5 known copies that he was

aware of and mine was the only one with labels reversed!!

Regards H (Soulster22).

[Mike Lofthouse]

Because a record is recorded by a white person and is played on the Northern scene it does mean it is 'Blue Eyed Soul'.

[Kegsy]

Because a record is recorded by a white person and is played on the Northern scene it does mean it is 'Blue Eyed Soul'.

Is Green-Eyed soul a record that someone has that you want ?

kegsy

[nrc]

Never like it. Always reminded me of some sort of breakfast cereal advert.

[Guest]

Once upon a time there was young man, who lived by the sea in a northern county; he was a keen collector/aficionado of a certain art form. The young man’s father was very rich and this allowed him to build his collection in a way many others were unable to do. The young man was able to further enhance, his already extensive collection, via contacts he made in a foreign land. These contacts had been cultivated via his early membership of the art forms’ appreciation society.

Eventually his collection became a definitive reference point for the art form. Soon our young art form pioneer was sharing his collection with likeminded individuals who shared his love of these old masterpieces. He continued to share his collection with fans exhibiting regularly, sometimes three or four times per weekend. He and His followers started to scour a great land to the west in search of even more esoteric examples of this increasingly popular phenomenon. Within 5 years galleries were evident in many areas of the country, and some of the fans had become exhibitors in their own right.

However the supply of original masters started to dry up and the young man fell from favour especially as some of his former fans were producing exhibitions that were superior to his. After a period in the wilderness, the young man decided to re-enter what he considered to be HIS original art form. He did this by contacting artists, originally involved with the art form, and commissioning new works in a more contemporary form. Unfortunately his former followers were unimpressed by his efforts as they were not in the correct format and did not fit into the originals only ethos of the art form.

The young man then decided to commission works made using the same materials, formats and styles as the much loved original art form. One of these was discovered to be a fake, not a genuine original as was claimed. This led to suspicion about the voracity of other recently discovered masterpieces.

I think that sums it up dont you Chalky ?

Without naming names or bringing any legal issues.

Most lucid posting from you Kegs since you left "that other place". ............

[Steve G]

With Pavlik (Johnny Powers) as co-writer, I suspect that it WAS written in the late 1960s, while Valvano was still in Detroit. Based on the story of Berry Gordy sending Valvano to Albuquerque in 1972, and mike meeting his future wife, marrying her, and remaining there, it seems that Valvano wanted to record DeLorenzo, and needed material. So he used an old song from the late '60s that he and Powers had written. But the recording must have been made in 1973 in Albuquerque. I don't hear any of the usual Detroit session players or Detroit studios in the record's sound.

I'm with you 100%. I deffo don't think it's a 60s recording as posted previously.

I also have a niggling doubt as to whether it was actually put out as early as 73. The boot clearly shows a 90s font style - can anyone post a supposed "original" for us to 'paw over' with our magnifying glasses? It's one that I was never itnerested in owning but would like to see one, now that the cat is peeking out of the bag so to speak.

Edited November 6, 2012 by Steve G

[Northern Soul Uk]

Steve, from what has been said above about the 'C', I think that the one Image I posted from the video may be an original.

[Guest]

The difference is as clear as night and day...or to put a poetic spin on it, as clear as a polished chrome alloy wheel, versus a standard dull alloy wheel

As already pointed out, the bootleg label is too small, the font too modern, the copyright "c" is within a circle and the colour of the label different...thats before we even mention the vinyl.

[Garethx]

This is he, supposedly...

That is definitely a photo of Dean Parrish. Not Joey DeLorenzo.

[Kegsy]

That is definitely a photo of Dean Parrish. Not Joey DeLorenzo.

Indeed it is, the plot thickens.

Kegsy

[Wiggyflat]

I remember hearing it on a cd Levine played in the car going up to see Kev Roberts to do his radio show...had other stuff on it as well like The Interpretations..Four Vandals etc.I quite like the record.

[Soul-slider]

I got that picture from google, it was on a youtube video of the Joey Delorenzo song so presumed it was him. The album I saw was in a charity shop and he did look similar to that guy, it looked absolute crap (MORish) so I didn't bother with it, wish I had now as I can't find any reference to it anywhere!

[Wiggyflat]

10604 Lexington is a nice family house with a swimming pool and has been that way since 1972

[Northern Soul Uk]

What happened inbetween then

Edited November 6, 2012 by Steve Luigi

[Kegsy]

What happened inbetween then

Perhaps he sat up all night talking to Swish

Kegsy

[Northern Soul Uk]

LOL!! That that would age you :-)

[Rick Cooper]

The following may add a little more to the story. According to Johnny Powers and/or Mike Valvano Joey Delorenzo was a car dealer who wanted to have a record made. Mike Valvanno did a deal with Joey for a car( or discount on a car) and Mike recorded Joey on a track he already had. This would be 73 but the track may have been recorded earlier but after Mike V had moved to Albuquerque so not Detroit. There is supposed to be an unreleased version sung by Mike Valvano, but as a producer he could have just done it to have a finished track for consideration of a later issue or other artist.

Joey Delorenzo took the finished copies for his own use to maybe give away or sell at clubs he sang at.

So basically.....

By day, "Honest" Joe Lorenzo ,Albuquerque's premiere used car salesman, by night JOEY DELORENZO New Mexico's top singing sensation (available for weddings and bar mitzvahs) now appearing at the Nero Motel's Pineapple Lounge. Special offer this week, Monday through Thursday, first 100 in get a free copy of Joey's great new single "Wake Up to the Sunshine Girl"

Really?

No I made the last bit up.

Rick

[Northern Soul Uk]

Just like to add that I played this out for the first time last Saturday.

As I announced the record, even before I played it, a cheer went up from the crowd, and it filled the floor. So it works :-)

[Corbett80]

Cheesy, basic, but can't help but like it for some reason. But then I'd cut a rug to BJ Thomas 'Don't Have A Mind'. Do like this sort of poppy soul stuff when the time is right. Glad it's been played and is part of the scene to be honest - don't think we're worse off for it at all.

[Cheltsoulnights]

I'm with you 100%. I deffo don't think it's a 60s recording as posted previously.

I also have a niggling doubt as to whether it was actually put out as early as 73. The boot clearly shows a 90s font style - can anyone post a supposed "original" for us to 'paw over' with our magnifying glasses? It's one that I was never itnerested in owning but would like to see one, now that the cat is peeking out of the bag so to speak.

https://www.saveltd.co.uk/wake-up-to-the-sunshine-girl---joey-delorenzo---mi-val-4844-p.asp

 

Can someone look at this as im very interested in the Font theory? Pm me please asap

[Quinvy]

The following may add a little more to the story. According to Johnny Powers and/or Mike Valvano Joey Delorenzo was a car dealer who wanted to have a record made. Mike Valvanno did a deal with Joey for a car( or discount on a car) and Mike recorded Joey on a track he already had. This would be 73 but the track may have been recorded earlier but after Mike V had moved to Albuquerque so not Detroit. There is supposed to be an unreleased version sung by Mike Valvano, but as a producer he could have just done it to have a finished track for consideration of a later issue or other artist.

Joey Delorenzo took the finished copies for his own use to maybe give away or sell at clubs he sang at.

So basically.....

By day, "Honest" Joe Lorenzo ,Albuquerque's premiere used car salesman, by night JOEY DELORENZO New Mexico's top singing sensation (available for weddings and bar mitzvahs) now appearing at the Nero Motel's Pineapple Lounge. Special offer this week, Monday through Thursday, first 100 in get a free copy of Joey's great new single "Wake Up to the Sunshine Girl"

Really?

No I made the last bit up.

Rick

 

That's story that I heard. Well the first paragraph anyway.

[Guest Gogs]

Still like this and the " 4 Vandals " track, doesn't mean that i'm not into Northern Soul (in it's many guises). Seen the floor filled by both so figure it out yourselves. (Also seen the floor filled by Duffy with "Mercy"). Think i'd better add that these were all at Soul Nites.

[Steve G]

https://www.saveltd.co.uk/wake-up-to-the-sunshine-girl---joey-delorenzo---mi-val-4844-p.asp

 

Can someone look at this as im very interested in the Font theory? Pm me please asap

 

You know my theory on this.....nothing further to add. Steve

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Kegsy

LOL,LOL,and mega LOL that woz v sharp Kegs !!