It's official there really is two soul scenes , there's the money making clown shows where you can by anything from casino coasters to frank Wilson kitchen bins playing your top 500 ,full of people who enjoy all of that and that's their choice.

then there's the true underground scene where the patrons crave new sounds be they 60's 70's funky soul this scene is mainly attended by those of use who championed the cause through the dark days of the 80's

which do you choose

Me I walk the line. Dipping my toes into what night I fancy. Steve who also championed the cause through the 80s, 90s, 2000,s and still doing so now in the whatever you call these days.

From your descriptions I'm not overly enamoured with either scene, maybe there's a 3rd, 4th or 5th scene? Or maybe I don't wanna be in a scene?  

im on the allniter scene,,dont do many soul nights,,just into good  uptempo northern soul dance music...

There has always been several soul scenes and factions of scenes and even more people who don't associate much with any particular scene but who take the music seriously and get a lot of pleasure from it.

 

I think the only true "underground" movement in this country ended when the Tories closed the coal mines.  And coal miners didn't go underground to support any particular cause, they did it to make a living.

But variety is the spice of life.

 

Don't really feel a part of any of it anymore, been away too long really and I  was full on with it through the 80's and 90's, still adore the ethos of the music that will never change but as a scene it's far too diluted and fragmented now and some aspects and areas of it are so far removed to the scene I  was once part of it's  something I simply don't recognise or need to be part of.

It's the dumbing down that's irritating me.every man and his dog is into it then you get stupid remarks by the likes of Robert elms and pathetic media show's its embarrassing to be associated with it

There are about six different scenes here in the North East alone!

For me it's just about the music - that is SOUL !

This is just another oldies versus newies thread under a different guise. Trouble is there are no newies anymore. So there are golden oldies and post Wigan oldies. The so called underground scene are playing post Wigan oldies mixed with stuff that never made it and Funk.

 

I love the golden oldies and the post Wigan oldies, but I want to hear something new. But not Funk.

Like me the whole thing is dated...you would have to go a long way now to find a small 60s type club playing club,uptempo,mid tempo,class sounds now....cannot get into this funk thing.....most of that stuff I used to hear on those crappy cassette tapes that used to surface every now and again.

Scene has lost its originality bigtime imho...in fact just dont get the same buzz anymore..but its probably just a natural age progression thing...isnt it?

it is completely factionalized......50 shades of northern....but as Krissii said (quite fairly) on another thread, for a lot of people (civilians) it is just about an occasional night out with mates and reliving something familiar from their past. Not everyone is hardcore and as passionate as us.

There's one scene but thousands of people desperate to define it to their own personal agenda. I choose what I enjoy every time, and suggest we all do the same :-)

i actually believe theres several in attendance that dont have a past...just a present..of course most have been on holiday for 30 years but will try and convince you otherwise.....me i`d go for the 2nd of speedlimits comments but with a bit less of the funk.. the europeans influence....imo....dont mind a handbaggers do once or twice a year tho

Its not really that difficult ,  because it is or should be about personal taste

 

of course there is nothing wrong with "trying out"  different venues . but surely without influence  from what anybody else says .. you know if its your thing or not.

 

I posted this on another thread

 

it used to be so much easier;

 

Merchandise...Dont like......Dont buy

Music ..............Dont like.....Dont Dance

Venue.............Dont like......Dont go again

 

 

IMO  it  really is that simpel

 

btw ..going to an oldies all nighter in Nottigham  at the weekend ... cos thats what ilove ..

 

Hope every body as great weekend this weekend ..which ever venue they choose

First rule of the underground scene - don't mention the underground scene.

you would have to go a long way now to find a small 60s type club playing club,uptempo,mid tempo,class sounds now....

 

Here's four  - Empty Bottles, That Driving Beat, Black Bee Soul Club and Monkey Jump. All small 'real deal' clubs playing rare and underplayed dancefloor Soul on OVO.

Cue people name dropping there clubs ;)

Cue people name dropping there clubs ;)

 

Well if the gauntlet's down............

It's official there really is two soul scenes , there's the money making clown shows where you can by anything from casino coasters to frank Wilson kitchen bins playing your top 500 ,full of people who enjoy all of that and that's their choice.

then there's the true underground scene where the patrons crave new sounds be they 60's 70's funky soul this scene is mainly attended by those of use who championed the cause through the dark days of the 80's

which do you choose

Your right Steve , there is the real scene and there is the divvy scene . Always has been and always will be . Underground for me , not The One Show (up and coming)

 

Edited March 21, 201411 yr by MAK

Cue people name dropping there clubs ;)

 

Seemed the quickest way to answer the point. But, you're right... shameless plug for all my mates too

_{I'm in the underground scene, It's a bit elite 'cause I'm the only one in it,}

_{Music's great, but the attendance at my chosen venue (bedroom) is crap.}

_{Just one regular punter (me)}

Much politics flying around ? people only interested in records when certain people play them ? and on and on and on, I like your scene Incognito

 

Kev

Hmmm.. some of you guys are a tad bitter. It's not worth it.

 

Though I hate the nostalgia crap and all the marketing, I will not be made to feel ashamed or embarrassed about still loving all of the fantastic records that got me into it in the first place. I'm no oldies dinosaur - I've got into more 'new' sounds in the last 6 months than ever in my life, they are constantly on my playlist.

 

Whether there's a 'real' scene and a 'divvy' scene I don't care to be honest. It's OK to take the best out of the whole thing.

If I was a youngster reading this thread I'd probably think twice about being a soul fan. We seem to hate ourselves and what we have become.

 

Just go and put a record on.

There are about six different scenes here in the North East alone!

 

 

I think that's an underestimate. Here in Scarborough (population 100,000) even discounting the two scooterist clubs that have their own events, there are at least five scenes. Three of them managed to have their nights on the same date in February!

Hmmm.. some of you guys are a tad bitter. It's not worth it.

 

Though I hate the nostalgia crap and all the marketing, I will not be made to feel ashamed or embarrassed about still loving all of the fantastic records that got me into it in the first place. I'm no oldies dinosaur - I've got into more 'new' sounds in the last 6 months than ever in my life, they are constantly on my playlist.

 

Whether there's a 'real' scene and a 'divvy' scene I don't care to be honest. It's OK to take the best out of the whole thing.

If I was a youngster reading this thread I'd probably think twice about being a soul fan. We seem to hate ourselves and what we have become.

 

Just go and put a record on.

 

 

Good post but not sure about the 'think twice' comment, is being a 'soul fan' a decision? I can't help liking what I like, I didn't decide to like soul, maybe I'm reading it wrong,

 F*ck off you f*ckin tourist, Don't come around my venue with ya tacky bric a brac.   

I'm changing it to be even more underground, I'm closing the venue, opening another and not even telling me where I'm going  

   

Reading this thread it's as though people want their own particular taste to be validated by everyone liking the same tunes/venues as them. It's never going to happen, somewhere in a parallel universe on an alternate soul source there's a bunch of oldies fans wearing vests and bags moaning about how the original ethic of the scene has changed, since this newie/funkie/latiny/ thing became popular. As I've read this thread or it's type a 100 times before I'm dipping out and leaving it to the 'movers and shakers' to right the wrongs of the soul world   

I think that's an underestimate. Here in Scarborough (population 100,000) even discounting the two scooterist clubs that have their own events, there are at least five scenes. Three of them managed to have their nights on the same date in February!

 

We have two running at the same venue!.......Beggars belief.......

 

Len

As I've read this thread or it's type a 100 times before I'm dipping out and leaving it to the 'movers and shakers' to right the wrongs of the soul world   

 

Thank you Win

 

Len  

what about just playing good soul records, dance and being passionate about it? How many other ingredients you need?

Two scenes....more like 8 scenes.The X over young smart European scene into original records ie funky early seventies and a bit of rnb...progressive people,northern oldies events now populated by baggy trouser wearing late forties onwards people playing the same old records on originals,local events playing boots,ex mods and current mods with their r nb and mid tempo soul nights.Rare soul nights...expensive originals....I just want uptempo northern soul Inc underplayed and newies.

off topic posts removed

 

odd one or two here and there ain't usually a problem

too many and they start to damage the thread and forum

ask drop them

cheers

mike

when quizzed about music I always quote the famous line from a jazz artist : You know there's really only 2 types of music good and bad....

First rule of the underground scene - don't mention the underground scene.

Don,t tell him your name, Pike!!

Edited March 21, 201411 yr by gordon russell

Here's four  - Empty Bottles, That Driving Beat, Black Bee Soul Club and Monkey Jump. All small 'real deal' clubs playing rare and underplayed dancefloor Soul on OVO.

umm!

Personally, I just like the music and having a dance when I get the chance.

I wouldn't mind a Frank Wilson kitchen bin, to be used for ironic purposes only, obviously.

Yawn

Yawn

Very negative OZ 

 

atb Kev 

Very negative OZ 

 

atb Kev 

No Kev, just sick of the underground underplayed overplayed bull, good records will always be good records, if someone chooses a skirt big enough to take a missing plane great( if it makes em happy!) etc,i just get on woth it and enjoy the grooves baby

Ozz

Two scenes, three scenes, eight scenes, who cares.  Just go out on the scene you enjoy.  

Two scenes, three scenes, eight scenes, who cares.  Just go out on the scene you enjoy.  

Sanity at last..........a few of my favourite night's have disappeared recently so have had to cast the net a little wider or on occasions stop in as there's nothing to float my boat but I can still find enough places to go to have a rather groovy time...........that works for for me!!

Cheers

Martyn

Sanity at last..........a few of my favourite night's have disappeared recently so have had to cast the net a little wider or on occasions stop in as there's nothing to float my boat but I can still find enough places to go to have a rather groovy time...........that works for for me!!

Cheers

Martyn

 

Not very SOUL is it 

Not very SOUL is it 

Dave

Oh to have that hair.........man

Edit.........that should have been.....Oh to have ANY hair

Cheers

Martyn

Edited March 22, 201411 yr by hullsoul

Dave

Oh to have that hair.........man

Edit.........that should have been.....Oh to have ANY hair

Cheers

Martyn

Martyn

 

My Hair is growing back 

 

Kev 

Sanity at last..........a few of my favourite night's have disappeared recently so have had to cast the net a little wider or on occasions stop in as there's nothing to float my boat but I can still find enough places to go to have a rather groovy time...........that works for for me!!

Cheers

Martyn

 

People seem more bothered about what others are doing, it's getting boring constantly reading about it everywhere.  It's not like people who are moaning actually attend the places they are moaning about, if they do then they should change their social habits.

People seem more bothered about what others are doing, it's getting boring constantly reading about it everywhere.  It's not like people who are moaning actually attend the places they are moaning about, if they do then they should change their social habits.

Chalky

We've been down this road too many times,couldn't really give a toss what others are doing unless they start shouting the odds about what I'm doing?I find it easy..........I go where I know I'll have a good night(there's lots of different factors that dictate that)..........I don't go to places I know won't be my cuppa tea..........easy really.

Cheers

Martyn

Have I got a problem ?  'cause I like a fair bit of the so called top 500 as that's what I grew up on , I like Xover , 70's Modern !? a bit of Jazz funk and just nice Soul records.

even a bit of Youth Club stuff . It has all been part of my musical life. Thank f**k we're all different I say 

 

 

Swifty

 

P.S. I still get goosebumps when I hear Donnie Elbert - Little Piece of Leather 

 

P.S. I still get goosebumps when I hear Donnie Elbert - Little Piece of Leather 

Swifty

That's probably more to do with your dodgy bedroom antics but enough said about that

Cheers

Martyn

It's Northern Jim but not as we know it... The scene has evolved to the point there's a scene for anyone who likes soul. Some scene goers kept the faith, others lost it but plenty never had it in the first place. Courses for horses really, Cheltenham for the purists, Ascot for day-trippers and Lingfield for the die-hards. However you look at it, the fragmented scene is what the punters want.

Chalky

We've been down this road too many times,couldn't really give a toss what others are doing unless they start shouting the odds about what I'm doing?I find it easy..........I go where I know I'll have a good night(there's lots of different factors that dictate that)..........I don't go to places I know won't be my cuppa tea..........easy really.

Cheers

Martyn

 

 

My philosophy now mate and hopefully nearer home.  

 

It's Northern Jim but not as we know it... The scene has evolved to the point there's a scene for anyone who likes soul. Some scene goers kept the faith, others lost it but plenty never had it in the first place. Courses for horses really, Cheltenham for the purists, Ascot for day-trippers and Lingfield for the die-hards. However you look at it, the fragmented scene is what the punters want.

 

Well why moan about it?  Why not just shut up and get on with it, I would imagine everyone knows where they are going, who they are going to listen to and have a damn good idea of what they are going to hear.  No one who goes elsewhere is going to bother them and vice versa so why is it a problem to some who constantly moan about what others get up to in their spare time.   

 

Oh and Cheltenham is full of day trippers just like Ascot 

Always been 2 scenes, stuff I like and stuff I don't.

Plenty choice folks, whatever your poison.. Just go where you please... Some folk get so bitter, it ain't good for your blood pressure... Peace x