Tommaso Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 Hi, I'm just curious to know how much does it cost now and how many copies are known.. Just a curiosity, I know that is unaffordable for me but I've never seen infos about it.. Thanks Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 3 copies, Butch, Kitch and Kenny Burrell. I reckon this would fetch a nice 5 figure sum. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon M Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 3 copies, Butch, Kitch and Kenny Burrell. I reckon this would fetch a nice 5 figure sum. Whose the Guy at the SolidHit gig who played it ? , obviously not Butch Dobson Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tommaso Posted September 23, 2007 Author Share Posted September 23, 2007 I reckon this would fetch a nice 5 figure sum. 10000£??? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 (edited) 10000£??? wouldn't know what it would fetch to be honest Only one copy ever come up for sale in the past. But there are records bought and sold for 3 or 4k that are no where near as rare or as good. Edited September 24, 2007 by chalky Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Baz Atkinson Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 3 copies, Butch, Kitch and Kenny Burrell. I reckon this would fetch a nice 5 figure sum. yep Kitch was a tad lucky with his find. BAZ A Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Baz Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Whose the Guy at the SolidHit gig who played it ? , obviously not Butch Dobson Des Parker on his acetate? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon M Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Des Parker on his acetate? Ahh right , so is that 4 copies ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Prophonics 2029 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Des Parker on his acetate? Is that a real acetate or a homemade on?. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Baz Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Far as im aware its a legit Acetate, from one of the band members or somthing along them lines Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Abbott Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 easy £10k; £15k would not surprise me...imo Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Quinvy Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Oh dear oh dear. https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...A:IT&ih=019 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dylan Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Oh dear oh dear. https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...A:IT&ih=019 oh well I doubt this will effect the value of the originals. Plenty of people must have this in some format or other now. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Shsdave Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Is that a real acetate or a homemade on?. Yes it's Des that plays it at Solid Hit, it's certainly legit we don't play anything else at SHS I thought from conversation with Des that it was a company acetate but I'm sure he will be on here sooner or later to clear that up (my memory isn't the best) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simsy Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Oh dear oh dear. https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...A:IT&ih=019 We never did identify this chatahootchie bloke from Bolton? seller has two people operating the account natalie dempsey and nick?? https://www.soul-source.co.uk/index.p...=52547&st=0 Perhaps Simon (T) can show us his scan of the real one again? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 (edited) Yes it's Des that plays it at Solid Hit, it's certainly legit we don't play anything else at SHS I thought from conversation with Des that it was a company acetate but I'm sure he will be on here sooner or later to clear that up (my memory isn't the best) It's a Dick Charles acetate if memory serves me correctly. Sure Des will confirm one way or the other when he reads this. Mello Souls also have another release on Candi, One side is Silus Phifer & & the Mellow Fellows and the t'other side is Edwin Johnson and the Mellow Fellows. I'll post some sound files when I've had some tea. Edited September 24, 2007 by chalky Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon T Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Perhaps Simon (T) can show us his scan of the real one again? It’ll be on the pressings, just trying to think what to boot on the other side! Seriously though, might there be just too much flak for booting a record that has a ‘status’ such as the MS? Or is nothing ‘untouchable’ in the grimy world of bootlegging on the Northern scene? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Matt Male Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Always reminds me of The Combinations - Watchya Gonna Do. Is there any connection in terms of songwriting or production? The lead singer sounds similar to my ears as well. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 (edited) Always reminds me of The Combinations - Watchya Gonna Do. Is there any connection in terms of songwriting or production? The lead singer sounds similar to my ears as well. no connection at all. Lead singers sound nothing like each other to these ears Edited September 24, 2007 by chalky Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pauldonnelly Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 records like this should never be booted. I have no problems with the folk that make them available only the ones that buy them, those that buy them and then stick a label scan on the top deserve to contract Blue Tounge syndrome. Cya.. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gasher Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 come on lets face it .......its not a bootleg really its a dub its not made for mass financial gain or trying to fool anyone I guess most of us have it in one format or another Mines a 10" london studios dub and I play it at home regularly so not really a boot either Its just nice to be able to hear it when it takes my fancy.. It'll be on the pressings, just trying to think what to boot on the other side! Seriously though, might there be just too much flak for booting a record that has a 'status' such as the MS? Or is nothing 'untouchable' in the grimy world of bootlegging on the Northern scene? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Speedlimit Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Hi, I'm just curious to know how much does it cost now and how many copies are known.. Just a curiosity, I know that is unaffordable for me but I've never seen infos about it.. Thanks the last copy for sale was the one kenny brought of shifty a couple of years ago went for £10.000 then Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Awake 502 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 no connection at all. Lead singers sound nothing like each other to these ears Indeed, one of them has a decent voice.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cunnie Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 (edited) Full length clear version of The Combinations here Darran. Takes me back to the days when it was covered as The Chessmen. Nothing against Mello Souls but if the cash was there I know which i'd buy. Edited September 24, 2007 by CUNNIE Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Matt Male Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Nothing against Mello Souls but if the cash was there I know which i'd buy. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Roccia Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 (edited) the last copy for sale was the one kenny brought of shifty a couple of years ago went for £10.000 then If it's the one on the right it's more than two years ago. Pic shot at Fleetwood 2003... Edited September 25, 2007 by Roccia Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Corbett80 Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 (edited) classic picture! Roccia you are a braver man than me, I would of passed out with all that soul either side of my head! Is it really fair of Kenny to that to someone.....? made my morning that has...brilliant ps. Isn't the MS booked in at £8000 in Tims guide? Also I heard there is no label info on the record? Where is it out of? Edited September 28, 2007 by mulf Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Roccia Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 classic picture! Roccia you are a braver man than me, I would of passed out with all that soul either side of my head! Is it really fair of Kenny to that to someone.....? made my morning that has...brilliant ps. Isn't the MS booked in at £8000 in Tims guide? Also I heard there is no label info on the record? Where is it out of? Mulf, yes in Tim's book the MS (wrote as "Mellow") have an eight grand tag... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Garethx Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 (edited) Wilmington, Delaware? Home of Chavis, Candi labels. Edited September 28, 2007 by garethx Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
macca Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 great pic. the expression on your face says it all, roccia. should be denounced as a form of torture, the iraqis at abu greiv got off lightly I think. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pauldonnelly Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 If Butch was the first ever NS type geezer that heard this Mello Soul via whatever format I have this vision of Dobson saying.. "thats shyte , can I hear it again please" Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Roccia Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 great pic. the expression on your face says it all, roccia. should be denounced as a form of torture, the iraqis at abu greiv got off lightly I think. Macca, Amnesty International is on the case... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
soulfulsaint Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 (edited) Wilmington, Delaware? Home of Chavis, Candi labels. I think it may be Wilmington, North Carolina. Gareth. The city was at the centre of a big civil rights dispute in early '70s, the largest demonstration following the assassination of Martin Luther King. A local militant Ben Chavis and nine others were arrested and became known as the Wilmington Ten. They were given 282 Years imprisonment. The Chavis label was named after Ben Chavis. Here is an image of Chavis below. Doubt he was in the Mello Souls but they probably did a benefit for him. Chavis is now a figurehead in hip-hop and organised the Million Man March. Edited September 28, 2007 by soulfulsaint Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon T Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Also I heard there is no label info on the record? Where is it out of? There is, and it suggests it out of the Philadelphia area. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
soulfulsaint Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 There is, and it suggests it out of the Philadelphia area. what's the info Simon - phone number zip code, I assumed there was no label info either? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jaco Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 The label scan that I've seen doesn't have any info on, so how does Philly become the place of origin? Lord Tim of Todmorden reckons Wilmington, Deleware. Would you bet against him? On the other hand Stuart's explanation seem equally plausible. Questions, questions...... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Lord Tim of Todmorden reckons Wilmington, Deleware. Would you bet against him? Sometimes I would actually - knowledgable but like everyone he doesn't know everything Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jaco Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Sometimes I would actually - knowledgable but like everyone he doesn't know everything I understand, Steve. It's just one of those connumdrums - maybe the most vaunted track of the recent era, we just want to fill in the details, don't we? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
boba Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 The label scan that I've seen doesn't have any info on, so how does Philly become the place of origin? Lord Tim of Todmorden reckons Wilmington, Deleware. Would you bet against him? On the other hand Stuart's explanation seem equally plausible. Questions, questions...... I don't know about the mello souls, but the actual Chavis record labels all say Wilmington, Delaware on them. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 I understand, Steve. It's just one of those connumdrums - maybe the most vaunted track of the recent era, we just want to fill in the details, don't we? Yes and I can't help I am afraid. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
macca Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 on this scene there are undoubtedly people with vast knowledge, but acquiring rare soul knowledge is rather like studying picasso's guernika, everytime you cast an eye over it you'll find some little detail that had gone unnoticed before. it's like an inexhaustible canvas, there'll always be gaps to fill in. what am I on this morning? must be the coffee... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 on this scene there are undoubtedly people with vast knowledge, but acquiring rare soul knowledge is rather like studying picasso's guernika, everytime you cast an eye over it you'll find some little detail that had gone unnoticed before. it's like an inexhaustible canvas, there'll always be gaps to fill in. what am I on this morning? must be the coffee... But that is precisely what keeps it so interesting Macca. It would be boring if everything was catalogued / known etc. There's always something new to know and nobody knows it all, or has all the records. Regards Steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 There is, and it suggests it out of the Philadelphia area. I've been told there's detail in the run out to suggest Philly. I don't know about the mello souls, but the actual Chavis record labels all say Wilmington, Delaware on them. I'm led to believe one of the copies was found in the Wilmington, Delaware area Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Garethx Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 The Chavis and Candi labels predate the political struggle you outline Stuart, by some years. As for the Philly connection it's quite probable that the records were pressed there as it would be the nearest city with the apparatus to do so: it's only about thirty miles away and would be the obvious place to press and distribute (or not in this case!) records by Wilmington groups. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
soulfulsaint Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 The Chavis and Candi labels predate the political struggle you outline Stuart, by some years. As for the Philly connection it's quite probable that the records were pressed there as it would be the nearest city with the apparatus to do so: it's only about thirty miles away and would be the obvious place to press and distribute (or not in this case!) records by Wilmington groups. ..yes by a few years if Chavis is late 60s label and it is deffo Delaware. Apols for a detour Gareth. Wilmington, Delaware is the Amtrak station before Philadelphia on the New York DC rail route. There is a local Delaware funk musician Gerald Chavis who is a regular backing musician - its not a common name so maybe his father owned Chavis? No obvious connection with Mello Souls but another lead. https://www.geraldchavis.com/ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
jocko Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 ..yes by a few years if Chavis is late 60s label and it is deffo Delaware. Apols for a detour Gareth. Wilmington, Delaware is the Amtrak station before Philadelphia on the New York DC rail route. There is a local Delaware funk musician Gerald Chavis who is a regular backing musician - its not a common name so maybe his father owned Chavis? No obvious connection with Mello Souls but another lead. https://www.geraldchavis.com/ Stuart as always a great mine of information. There may be no obvious connection but I bet you there are currently about 1000 people trying to find out if there is any, he may grow to hate you Stuart! Hope you are well Jock PS Make sure that man Cowan doesn't mention Motherwell/Hibs too much if you can! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
soulfulsaint Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Stuart as always a great mine of information. There may be no obvious connection but I bet you there are currently about 1000 people trying to find out if there is any, he may grow to hate you Stuart! Hope you are well Jock PS Make sure that man Cowan doesn't mention Motherwell/Hibs too much if you can! Will do Jock. I'll get thru to Edinburgh for a night soon. I still wonder why Luther Ingram was on Hib Records, but that's another post/ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 ..yes by a few years if Chavis is late 60s label and it is deffo Delaware. Apols for a detour Gareth. Wilmington, Delaware is the Amtrak station before Philadelphia on the New York DC rail route. There is a local Delaware funk musician Gerald Chavis who is a regular backing musician - its not a common name so maybe his father owned Chavis? No obvious connection with Mello Souls but another lead. https://www.geraldchavis.com/ The Chavis and Candi labels were owned by James Chavis and they are definately from Wilmington, Delaware. Both labels started life in the early 60's with Chavis existing into the 70's according to R&B indies. Both shared the same address 617 4th st. I'll post the Silus Phifer/Edwin Johnson & Mellow Fellows record shortly. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Prophonics 2029 Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 That sounds like them, so the singer of The Mello Souls is Silus. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 That sounds like them, so the singer of The Mello Souls is Silus. Thats the general opinion of those I know have heard it. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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