Probably Get My A%&e Kicked For This

[Ian Dewhirst]

So if its only about bodies on dancefloors why not play Kylies version of Time Will Pass You By....I'm sure it will fill the floor.Bob Sinclair is cheesy okey cokey music for Saturday night discos.This is denying thousand of great sixties and seventies records airtime.I would rather hear Gregory Porters 1960 What being played..

 

This was in the Modern room Kev which has a completely different ambiance from the Northern room, so no 60's records would have been played anyway. The vibe in the Modern Room @ Prestatyn has always been Housey - there are 3 other rooms for Northern so plenty of choice.

 

Ian D

[Ian Dewhirst]

Ian, I still hate it, but you defended it so well you should have gone into law, you been watching suits? For me I think the reason I hate it so much is down to it just being too 'up' and I like things a little on the blue side personally, soul and all other genre's have to by slightly bittersweet to appeal, Thats why I love Ron hall, hell I used to dismiss everything on Motown as just pop. in fairness to the original poster, its a little off putting to a casual user to be so negative about something thats obviously liked by many, so, sorry, but I still makes me cringe.   

 

As I said to Wiggyflat, this was played in the Modern Room with 800 people in and the majority of 'em loving it. Anyone wanting to hear Northern or Rarities had 3 other rooms to choose from. The Modern Room is generally "up" and tunes like Ron Hall and Bob Sinclar are arguably the biggest House oldies in the North West. These are not records that you hear much South of Manchester.....

 

Ian D

[Wiggyflat]

Ah I stand corrected Ian...its when its subjected to us at northern nights I get miffed.Can we have an okey okey cokey handbaggers thread..my suggestions Soul In The Sun...House For Sale...Bobby Womack Home Is Where The Heart Is...Ace Spectrum...and Bob Sinclair.Maybe a 3 before bed.

[Ian Dewhirst]

 i dont agree ian.. since when was the northern scene all about wally party dancing coz thats what its turned into

 

I don't see Bob Sinclar as that much different to hundreds of records that have been played over the last 40 years which have been popular with the dance-floor. Was it Wally party dancing in the 60's when kids danced to "Scratchy" or the 70's when they danced to "The Flasher" or "Panic"? What's the difference?

 

Ian D

[Ian Dewhirst]

Ah I stand corrected Ian...its when its subjected to us at northern nights I get miffed.Can we have an okey okey cokey handbaggers thread..my suggestions Soul In The Sun...House For Sale...Bobby Womack Home Is Where The Heart Is...Ace Spectrum...and Bob Sinclair.Maybe a 3 before bed.

 

I used to get miffed hearing "The Flasher" in the 70's Kev. There's always been records which pack the floor but which DJ's hate. I was never that partial to Tim Tam & The Turn Ons either.

 

Ian D

Edited March 16, 2013 by Ian Dewhirst

[Kev John]

..keep an open mind Kev...could be a grower !!      

Sorry Jez it's a BIG NO from me m8 i've got better things to play than that      

[Kev John]

What was that song Meatloaf & Cher sang    

OOOOH dun no Harry     

[Wiggyflat]

I don't mind The Flasher....but Tim Tam! It seems like the cokies ie The Jean Genie brigade have taken a particular liking for a certain type of sound the easy dancing seventies or cheesy house beat.I've seen it ...the deejay has played well known uptempo sixties oldies...empty floor.He brings out a few cokey tunes When We Get there and Bob Sinclair and the cokeys are on it!

[Guest Matt Male]

i suppose it depends on the dj really does he play to the floor or for his self i brought it not played it as yet but if it was asked for i would. At the end of the day it working . i have seen hardened soulies dancing to this so are they hand baggers to.  Remember not so long ago folk were asking for Duffy mercy it had its day and went this one will do the same.  At the end of the day. body's on dances floors is what its about. On a personal note i don't like it but if djs only brought records that he liked then his set would soon become boring same old same old i have a few tunes in my box that i don't like but buy them because other do. Dance floors should dictate  .  My opinion is if it works play it.We cater to a very wide variety of punters these days we have to keep this scean alive and at the moment this is working. Rant over sorry folks """"""""""""          

 

 

I couldn't disagree more. The problem is that DJs aren't using enough imagination and personal taste these days. They are all just copying each other trying to 'play to the floor' and that's what is boring. A DJ that buys records he likes and believes in and will champion at a venue is what this scene was all about, and they were the DJs I grew up respecting the most. Sadly it sounds like there are places where a trained monkey could just put the 45s on one after another.

 

No one, especially a DJ, should ever buy a record they wouldn't be prepared to play to a room full of people.

 

There's a wider issue here beyond whether Bob Sinclair is rubbish or not, like Ian says there is plenty of rubbish played on the scene (that's the fun of it) it's about whether we want DJs with personal taste who will introduce us to amazing records we've never heard before, or a bloke who stands behind the decks putting on records we've heard a million times before because he knows he can get a full dancefloor.

Edited March 16, 2013 by Matt Male

[Jaco]

It's pants. But is it possible that the DJ who played it at Prestatyn actually likes it?

 

From a DJ's perspective that's all that matters initially isn't it?

 

If there was no dancefloor action at that point then he/she can reconsider whether or not it's persevering with.

[Maxwell]

If these two like then that's good enough for me  

 

        

[StuH]

MP3 available from Amazon

[NEV]

Is anyone playing the " Harlem shake " out yet ?

That would deffo fill the floor

[Mike]

couple of posts removed

reason being personal insults etc etc 

[Ian Parker]

Oh poo, I missed them posts

[Barry]

House (Soul) is a feeling

[Jaco]

Oh poo, I missed them posts

 

 Nothing to be missed. Grown men acting like big kids.

 

I should know because I was one of them

[Guest Cluggy]

Ian dewhirst earlier post spot on not the most soulful choon and probably not liked by the purists but what an uplifting and infectious record ,when played in the modern room on Friday night the atmosphere was incredable just the beat and the vibe of the choon .im not ashamed to say I love it

[NEV]

Nothing to be missed. Grown men acting like big kids.

I should know because I was one of them

Handbaggers at five paces

[Epic]

As for the second debate about it's validity to be played out I think that it should be separate topic. I love it (and own the 12 inch copy), and for me it is no different to say Blackpool Mecca playing The Trammps "Disco Inferno", Crown Heights Affair "Galaxy of Love" etc.  (which is did) amongst the rare stuff. 

The Highland Room ceased playing rare & Northern Soul at least 2 years before these records were played !!!! 

[Ian Dewhirst]

Ian dewhirst earlier post spot on not the most soulful choon and probably not liked by the purists but what an uplifting and infectious record ,when played in the modern room on Friday night the atmosphere was incredable just the beat and the vibe of the choon .im not ashamed to say I love it

 

So did everyone in there, most of whom were on the dance-floor. Fantastic vibe and dropped at the point where it totally lifted the atmosphere!

 

It's weird how this record polarizes opinion isn't it? Like it's not cool to actually love a big commercial record which the punters love. I try and keep an open mind on these things. It probably sounded so fresh 'cos no one else plays it which kinda suggests that there's a bit of a gulf between what some DJ's think people will want and what the people actually want......

 

Anyway, no big deal. This was one room out of four and 6 minutes out of a weekend full of music. It certainly stuck out as one of the most uplifting tracks from the crowd's point of view that's for sure.

 

And of course, there's always the possibility that everyone in the room and on the dance-floor succumbed to some sort of collective music madness that one time and they'll all be horrified to be told that their taste is crap in the cold light of the following day.....

 

Ian D

[Wiggyflat]

I'm sure a large collective mass danced to Joe 90 at some point....I think in northern soul terms its called handbaghysteria.

[Geeselad]

As I said to Wiggyflat, this was played in the Modern Room with 800 people in and the majority of 'em loving it. Anyone wanting to hear Northern or Rarities had 3 other rooms to choose from. The Modern Room is generally "up" and tunes like Ron Hall and Bob Sinclar are arguably the biggest House oldies in the North West. These are not records that you hear much South of Manchester.....

 

Ian D

 

 

House (Soul) is a feeling

Lovehouse (I run a night named exactly that) but hate Bob Sinclair and in fairness a lot of what's played @ modern nights, in wanting to sound so contemporary it misses the point and, to these ears, it sounds cliched and lets face it cheesy. I'll shut up now I'm repeating myself. 

[Geeselad]

I couldn't disagree more. The problem is that DJs aren't using enough imagination and personal taste these days. They are all just copying each other trying to 'play to the floor' and that's what is boring. A DJ that buys records he likes and believes in and will champion at a venue is what this scene was all about, and they were the DJs I grew up respecting the most. Sadly it sounds like there are places where a trained monkey could just put the 45s on one after another.

 

No one, especially a DJ, should ever buy a record they wouldn't be prepared to play to a room full of people.

 

There's a wider issue here beyond whether Bob Sinclair is rubbish or not, like Ian says there is plenty of rubbish played on the scene (that's the fun of it) it's about whether we want DJs with personal taste who will introduce us to amazing records we've never heard before, or a bloke who stands behind the decks putting on records we've heard a million times before because he knows he can get a full dancefloor.

 spot on Matt, very well put. its a side issue though, I'm sure some Dj's do love BS ( incredible though that might sound) , so the're only playing to their taste, its just I hate their taste

[Shimmy45]

I prefer his old Africanism stuff to be honest, although I did cane this when it first came out:- 

 

 

People dancing and having a good time, who'd have thought it.

[Vin]

If this is what the "Modern " rooms are evolving into...

I want no part of it .

[Guest]

love it or hate it ...wonder how many djs play or have got the original ?       

[Guest]

fits more into northern than that latin shite ! 

[Drew3]

Ian, just to piss you off  

 

Just to put a 'punter's' point of view in here. I'd never heard this before so was intrigued to. Therefore, I just played it to my partner with us watching the video clip of Prestatyn and me explaining the debate on here. "I'd dance to that" she pipes up "I enjoy the rare soul do's we go to love but there's hardly anyone ever there".

From my own point of view this is the sort of tune I'd expect to hear in a 'Modern' room and on first listen found it ok. There is some soulful content to parts of the record IMHO.

Regards.

Drew.

[Guest Cluggy]

If it should be played in the northern room or not is debatable,but this is a tune that rightly gets aired in the modern room ,people vote with there feet to wether thay like a record or not and the floor was packed to this , I don't think anyone in the modern room cares what anyone on the northern side think of it ,just another very catchy dance tune passing through

[Wrongcrowd]

Damn right it did and everyone, hipsters, modern soulies and old soulers included stampeded to the floor. I was there watching it happen @ Prestatyn 'cos I was curious how the DJ's would get that floor going. When "Tribute" came on I was there tapping my foot and smiling with a general sense of goodwill to all mankind, as was everyone else. It's an infectious, commercial, catchy and happy slab of dance music. It has exactly the same appeal as the Brother's "Are You Ready For This" in being infectious and appealing to a wide audience. A good vibe record which packs the floor and gets a nice equilibrium going with most crowds, whether they know the record or not. "Tribute" was the perfect record for that crowd on a Friday night (along with "The Way You Love Me" - Ron Hall & The Mother Funkas).

 

I honestly don't know how people can slate this record. This track gets the worst press of all time - "too cheesy", "a disgrace", "what The f*ck does that French b*stard know about real soul" etc, etc.

 

But records like this, which people actually want to dance to, are the lifeblood of this scene. If you have 800 people in a packed room on a Friday night, believe me, they're not going to be into the aesthetics of analysing the merits or rarity of a tune. No sirree. Leave that to a Sunday lunchtime or Tuesday evening session with a bunch of old blokes comparing dead wax scribes. On a Friday night of a major weekender, they wanna dance.

 

I actually applaud the DJ who played this last Friday, since most DJ's wouldn't have touched this with a barge pole due to credibility issues (on the basis that there's no point in being uncool by playing a piece of cheese by a French house producer when you can play something 'credible' for the chin-strokers). He made the right decision - the vibe of the whole place was electric and this was the record that lifted everybody. I was kinda surprised that he had the guts to play it and equally surprised with the brilliant reaction. People love this record. Dismiss it at your peril.

 

Ian D

So on the basis that playing dire records like this are to be applauded because they fill a floor, can the last one hanging on to the soul scene switch the light off when leaving.....

[Guest Cluggy]

The fact that the danfloor was packed tells me that the vast majority of people in the modern room loved this tune so wasn't dire to them

[Ian Dewhirst]

So on the basis that playing dire records like this are to be applauded because they fill a floor, can the last one hanging on to the soul scene switch the light off when leaving.....

 

Dire to you, but not to the 800 people in the Modern room. Nobody likes every record that's ever played do they? If I hear a popular record that I don't like, I'll switch rooms, go the bar or have a cig. I'd have left the scene in the 60's when they were playing dirges like "The Fife Piper" or "Scratchy" if I had your attitude.

 

Ian D

[Backflipboy]

MP3 available from Amazon

That's the 12" version and I've ripped that from the CD i purchased.

[Backflipboy]

In answer to the original post you will have to either;

 

1. Make your own MP3 from your vinyl copy (real easy), or;

2. Download it form a dodgy source as MP3. (There are one or two of them out there) or;

3. Ask one the kind SS members to rip it for you an email it, or;

4. Rip the MP3 from a You Tube video (real easy)

 

As for the second debate about it's validity to be played out I think that it should be separate topic. I love it (and own the 12 inch copy), and for me it is no different to say Blackpool Mecca playing The Trammps "Disco Inferno", Crown Heights Affair "Galaxy of Love" etc.  (which is did) amongst the rare stuff. It is just a record that has found it's place in the weird and wonderful scene we all enjoy. And, it is way better then some other pop stuff that gets played under the label of 'Northern Soul" (e.g. Benny Troy, Rueben Howells, etc.) Just MHO.

 

Right, off to get my breakfast..

Thanks Jim, but I will be using it to DJ with and I like everything to be legal and above board, don't want to spend £10 on a vinyl copy and then rip it if it's going to be released as a download for 89p (ish !) Tight Bas%&rd me !

Edited March 17, 2013 by Backflipboy

[Hammersoul]

Personally not my cup of Tea.From a dj`s point of view,the Modern room at Prestatyn is very big so 70`s/80`s rare soul ain`t gonna work,seen many a good record `bomb`

or clear the floor unless certain big name dj`s were playing it and at the right times(between midnight-2am).

 

I think this was his best tune:

 

 

Surely you only play/buy what records you like not what everyone else are after etc  

[Dave Pinch]

Personally not my cup of Tea.From a dj`s point of view,the Modern room at Prestatyn is very big so 70`s/80`s rare soul ain`t gonna work,seen many a good record `bomb`

or clear the floor unless certain big name dj`s were playing it and at the right times(between midnight-2am).

 

I think this was his best tune:

 

 

Surely you only play/buy what records you like not what everyone else are after etc  

best thing he`s done imo also,,,,got a 12 from crazybeat when it came out

[Hammersoul]

best thing he`s done imo also,,,,got a 12 from crazybeat when it came out

 

 

Sadly i got the cd,long story but from 96-99(Sure this is 1999)i was studying for the knowledge so decided to ask me wife to buy the newer stuff,save me time etc.She used to order everything on cd cos she prefers that    .  I`m in process of changing formats  .

[georgeblackwell]

Stone me !!!! a 9 minute plus dance track. They usually have to call the paramedics for most of my punters after about 4 minutes of dancing. I personally can just about manage to stay on the floor for the whole of Ronnie Milsap - Ain't no soul (about 1 min 50). But seriously folks when there are literally thousands of brilliant underplayed real soulful tunes out there why would you even give turntable space to this derivative shite. I used to get pissed off in the late 70's early 80's when virtually every new release was commanding me to "Get on Down" now we have the phenomenon of the M.C. telling us endlessly to "Come On" - very imaginative, very creative. Regardless of whether or not "the dance floor" loves this one, all of those involved in promoting this abomination should hang their heads in shame. I may sound a bit biased here so to put things in perspective I do come from that old school who thinks that the soul fell out of northern soul the night Wigan Casino opened. Discuss................

[Barry]

I'd a played these:

 

 

Edited March 19, 2013 by Barry

[Pete S]

 I do come from that old school who thinks that the soul fell out of northern soul the night Wigan Casino opened. Discuss................

 

Yes it was all so different pre-Wigan when you had soulful classics as Scratchy, Little Queenie, You're Ready Now, Super Girl, Virginia Wolves...

Edited March 19, 2013 by Pete S

[Back Street Blue]

I'd a played these:

 

 

 

I'll have some of that........just had me gettin' down with my bad self all round the office !!! 

 

when's your next session 'cos I'll be there ?

[Barry]

I think this sits in the playable inst category too...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxY-20PR6B8

[georgeblackwell]

Yes it was all so different pre-Wigan when you had soulful classics as Scratchy, Little Queenie, You're Ready Now, Super Girl, Virginia Wolves...

Actually Pete, when I think about it, you are quite right, Northern Soul has never really been about Soul music per se and I have to admit that I have been responsible for launching some bloody awful tracks onto the northern scene in my time. For every "George Blackwell - Can't lose my Head"" that I was proud of there was a "Shakers - One Wonderful Moment" that I was to embarrassed to take credit for (until now!!!!!).

 

Frosty

[Pete S]

Actually Pete, when I think about it, you are quite right, Northern Soul has never really been about Soul music per se and I have to admit that I have been responsible for launching some bloody awful tracks onto the northern scene in my time. For every "George Blackwell - Can't lose my Head"" that I was proud of there was a "Shakers - One Wonderful Moment" that I was to embarrassed to take credit for (until now!!!!!).

 

Frosty

 

There's room for all of 'em though!

[Geeselad]

 

 

a reminder of what great soulful dance music sounds like, imho, of course.

[Guest Cluggy]

 

 

a reminder of what great soulful dance music sounds like, imho, of course.

[Guest Cluggy]

Nice tune has ten city feel to it

[Guest Cluggy]

Nice tune has ten city feel to it

[Geeselad]

Nice tune has ten city feel to it

their other release, on heavy left, is even better, but no youtube. ten city define how good it can sound, for me.