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I'm still young so next time you get them type of affordable tunes you just mentioned make sure you send them to me as money is tight and I'm desperate to dj  :D

Will do when you tell me what you are after ;)

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Support the young ones how? By letting them dj? If it's not an ego think, why do they all want to dj?

f*ck that. Support whoever's doing it well at the time, who cares if they're 18 or 80?

I remember having callum on when he was pretty young, but not as some patronising favour to him, as a favour to me, he was one of the best djs i'd heard. Unfortunately, the nature of djing this stuff now, the fact that it requires the purchase of expensive antique records, makes it very hard to make an impact.

There's great cheap records of course, but playing the best of these, are you ever going to compete with someone who's playing the latest hot in demand biggie?

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Will do when you tell me what you are after ;)

Salt & Pepper, WIllie Tee, pervis Lee as long as they are cheap enough for a young lad like me to buy  :thumbup:

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Will do... But theres a queue for pervis lee at mo....

Personally I'm not a fan of the pervis lee but I know its in vogue at the moment but as long as its cheap I can sell it on for big money and buy something I like  :D  like salt and pepper or the volumes - I've never been so in love on Garu  :wub:

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Support the young ones how? By letting them dj? If it's not an ego think, why do they all want to dj?

f*ck that. Support whoever's doing it well at the time, who cares if they're 18 or 80?

I remember having callum on when he was pretty young, but not as some patronising favour to him, as a favour to me, he was one of the best djs i'd heard. Unfortunately, the nature of djing this stuff now, the fact that it requires the purchase of expensive antique records, makes it very hard to make an impact.

There's great cheap records of course, but playing the best of these, are you ever going to compete with someone who's playing the latest hot in demand biggie?

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Why does wanting to DJ have to be about ego ?

Unlike the older generation,a lot of young people are very fmilair with set of decks and many either already own a set or use their mates ,albeit because they have grown up in a generation of mixing and scratching or house music etc .

Is it not possible that they do it to get a buzz from putting a great set together ?

Thats how it works for me or if it was about ego ,id have been running my own venue long since !

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Personally I'm not a fan of the pervis lee but I know its in vogue at the moment but as long as its cheap I can sell it on for big money and buy something I like  :D  like salt and pepper or the volumes - I've never been so in love on Garu  :wub:

 

As some say young ones dont have taste the volumes is always inthe box ;)

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Personally I'm not a fan of the pervis lee but I know its in vogue at the moment but as long as its cheap I can sell it on for big money and buy something I like  :D  like salt and pepper or the volumes - I've never been so in love on Garu  :wub:

There you go again ,typical old guy ,no imagination ,just wanting another big rare trophy 45 to drool over instead of discovering your own records like Henning ;)

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Why does wanting to DJ have to be about ego ?

Unlike the older generation,a lot of young people are very fmilair with set of decks and many either already own a set or use their mates ,albeit because they have grown up in a generation of mixing and scratching or house music etc .

Is it not possible that they do it to get a buzz from putting a great set together ?

Thats how it works for me or if it was about ego ,id have been running my own venue long since !

I dont think djing is necesarily about ego. It was a response to henning who said 'let the young guys on, its not about ego'...surely implying that old folks are motivated by ego but young folks not?.

Cover -ups, stopping young people from djing....

all the world's mis deeds are done by ego driven old djs it seems, how very British.

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Salt & Pepper, WIllie Tee, pervis Lee as long as they are cheap enough for a young lad like me to buy  :thumbup:

What a fabulous spin.

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On a serious note for once,i think we have a society problem.One that gives the younger generation the feeling that everything is instantly available.From Big brother to Pop Idol,to 5 minute "celebrity" status.Everything at the touch of a button.Us older types growing up, were used to "apprenticeships",biding your time,although we didn't like it.

Not saying this totally applies to the young guys who aspire to dj - or does it, subliminally.?

 

A question for the younger dj's on here.Are you influenced by older dj's.? Is your record collection influenced by the older dj's..If so who.?

 

The top dj's are there for a reason.They have the records and knowledge.

 

Lastly,if you are a young dj just starting out,buy originals,put a set together that's different,buy only stuff you like whether that's NS,xover or rnb.

By buying originals.you'll look back on your collection with more pride, the older you get.

 

For me its easy to tell. I'm not a big friend of ebay. I mostly like buying records in a hand to hand deal. If possible i try to get over to the states as much as i can (about every two years) and listen to all records that look interesting.

if not in the states i have no dj that i stalk directly. I'm open and listen to as much podcasts from various djs as i can, young, old, male, female..... For example kieran lockyear "10 from the playbox" on mixcloud - perfect!!

in the uk lot of people are after records butch and other big djs play, that might be good if you see him spinning a record for the first time, but if he spins it a few times you should know that many people are after it. I'm happy not to see him often, so i'm more influenced by other various people....

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But dave, as a guy who lives in spain you should know how many great young dj's are out there, especially in spain, that have great taste and dont play overplayed tunes. Like albert, dani, edu, josep and so on......

Edu? are you meaning eduardo? I knew him since the 90s, and I was young then but I'm not now, he'd have had to be about 10 then if he's still young now!

in case you havent realised yet henning, the situation in the uk is completely different to europe - only a handful of serious young djs come through in the last 10 years here. As far as i know anyway, happy to be told otherwise...

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For me its easy to tell. I'm not a big friend of ebay. I mostly like buying records in a hand to hand deal. If possible i try to get over to the states as much as i can (about every two years) and listen to all records that look interesting.

if not in the states i have no dj that i stalk directly. I'm open and listen to as much podcasts from various djs as i can, young, old, male, female..... For example kieran lockyear "10 from the playbox" on mixcloud - perfect!!

in the uk lot of people are after records butch and other big djs play, that might be good if you see him spinning a record for the first time, but if he spins it a few times you should know that many people are after it. I'm happy not to see him often, so i'm more influenced by other various people....

 

That's another thing.As we all get older,less people may be going out.Technology will become more prevalent and Mixcloud etc will be used more and more to showcase sets.

Probably replacing the need to go out.

Young dj's putting sets out on Mixcloud to a capitive bunch of miserable gits. :lol:  

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There you go again ,typical old guy ,no imagination ,just wanting another big rare trophy 45 to drool over instead of discovering your own records like Henning ;)

Wow I didn't even realise that Henning discovered it  :thumbup:  thanks Henning a great find I love it  :thumbup:

 

Nev I want to be just like you when I grow up  :lamsey:  :lol:  :lol:

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Is the sound of someone coming out of a 30 year hibernation... Followed by "play summet we know" :)

At 51 he is probably tired being so old I know I've seen lots of people his age yawning a lot lately   :sleep3:  :wicked:  :D

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Not sure if anyone has mentioned the bleedingly obvious but... why would a young soul DJ WANT to be accepted into the northern soul scene? Most young people want to go out, get hammered, have a dance and, hopefully, get a lumber. If I was a youngster starting out DJing, I'd start my own night at the students union or whatever without getting bogged down in the whole OVO "under-played newie" "re-activated oldie" "trying to impress a bunch of 50+ year old balding grumpy old men" b*llocks. If they want to do a whole set off a memory stick, then so be it, if they enjoy the music.

 

I really DON'T want this to end up descending into yet ANOTHER o.v.o. thread, but to teenagers or youngsters, I'm sure the whole obsession with "ownership" must be very strange - I don't think they get it at all, or understand what's better about spending £1000 on a bit of plastic, if there's another similar bit of plastic available for a fiver. Or free.. If young DJs want to "play by the rules" and can do the business, then I'm sure they'd be welcomed into the soul scene with open arms. If they want to run their own nights, they can do whatever the hell they want...

agree with you to an extent, it's what I did at 18 after all, but just one point without wanting to bogged down in ovo : if they dont look for original vinyl, what do they play? Just stuff off re-issues? In which case, they're not really doing anything new are they? Just a cheapo version of the old baldy nights without the new records? And if they're just doing accross the board party nights, or dub step nights then fair enough, but thats got nothing to with what were talking about.

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agree with you to an extent, it's what I did at 18 after all, but just one point without wanting to bogged down in ovo : if they dont look for original vinyl, what do they play? Just stuff off re-issues? In which case, they're not really doing anything new are they? Just a cheapo version of the old baldy nights without the new records? And if they're just doing accross the board party nights, or dub step nights then fair enough, but thats got nothing to with what were talking about.

 

...when you say "they", who are you talking about??! The youngs? I bet there are as much as old people buying reissues as well as young ones. A lot of young people play ovo with great taste. As i said, check out the playlists of the"not too young swiss soul weekender". I would say there is lots of great stuff played and not many overplayed oldies.... 

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Well I would say start with attending an event regularly, get to know the promoter and then ask about a spot if you think you have the records to suit the event - definitely don't go once and ask about a spot.

 

If we you want to try events that you can't reach, go the polite e-mail and maybe list some of the tunes you like to play.

 

Some will help you and some won't for a variety of different reasons.

 

 

 

Dave

 

You gave me a chance and that worked out pretty well, didn't it? ;)

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Here's a thread I started a while ago that links to this nicely - It has a slightly different take, more focusing on 'nurturing' the Scene carefully (I think some may find of interest)

 

 

All the best,

 

Len :thumbsup: 

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Whats the future then?

 

Personally I dont give a damm  :sleep3:  see what I did there ? :P

 

I dont actually care about the future of the scene just enjoy it for what it is , more get ups behind me than in front of me and forty odd years on from embarking on this soulfull journey not going to start worrying now about the future :)

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Never mind who's on the decks and whatever they are playing.

 

Can we please just get some dancers under the age of 30 up on the floor and save everyone from watching fat, wheezing, oldies like me and my peers having heart attacks whilst everyone thinks we're just doing some interesting floor work. 

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...when you say "they", who are you talking about??! The youngs? I bet there are as much as old people buying reissues as well as young ones. A lot of young people play ovo with great taste. As i said, check out the playlists of the"not too young swiss soul weekender". I would say there is lots of great stuff played and not many overplayed oldies....

the 'they' was the hypothetical young folk in cover-up's scenario. Just making the point that they might not care for the rules and customs of old baldy scenes, and it might just be 'all about the music', but if in the end they're having to have their records, their choice of tunes, spoon fed to them via re-issues, then it's just a youth club version of the northern scene and musically, they'd be better off at lifeline.

Unless, of course, theyre putting their own twist on the sound, as in europe. Still waiting for someone to tell me if they are or not .

Along the lines of inner city soul, who really seemed to create their own sound, or at least continue to evolve a style from the likes of ian wright and adam leaver

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the 'they' was the hypothetical young folk in cover-up's scenario. Just making the point that they might not care for the rules and customs of old baldy scenes, and it might just be 'all about the music', but if in the end they're having to have their records, their choice of tunes, spoon fed to them via re-issues, then it's just a youth club version of the northern scene and musically, they'd be better off at lifeline.

Unless, of course, theyre putting their own twist on the sound, as in europe. Still waiting for someone to tell me if they are or not .

Along the lines of inner city soul, who really seemed to create their own sound, or at least continue to evolve a style from the likes of ian wright and adam leaver

 

I would sincerely hope that 'they' don't care for existing rules and customs too much. Youngsters should be making their own scenes and looking to entertain themselves - not us old baldies. If it be RnB, Crossover or Northern soul-based, good luck to them.  

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Age experience having a great collection ,does not always mean a great set ,I have seen as I dare say a lot of you have seen the same ,Sam, Vincent and many others can be brilliant but some times I've been left scratching my head thinking  WTF is he doing 

 

Bazza  :hatsoff2:

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no not just come out of hibernation mate just bored.heres the thing,i would never ridicule anybody about there taste in soul.after the casino and st ives i became a pub manager so time away from work was scarce.went to ns nights when i could , ranthem in my pubs if they were big enough.quit the pubs and had more time on my hands.admittedly i lost touch a little.went to new rare soul nights, wasnt for me.nothing that was played made the hair on my neck stand up like the first time i heard sam dees lonly for you baby or dee dee sharps majestic voice on what kind of lady so i slipped back into my comfort zone.i do sometimes go to caliente in peterborough to listen to what they play but again in doesnt do it for me but again i would never ridicule them .so your childish post from you and your mate only proves a freind of mine rightly sed dont go on soulsources forom its full of pretentius bitter sad obnoxiois know all (know fuck alls) you could ever wish to meet.last post on here from me ever no great loss you might say and i agree!

happy souling whatever your format

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no not just come out of hibernation mate just bored.heres the thing,i would never ridicule anybody about there taste in soul.after the casino and st ives i became a pub manager so time away from work was scarce.went to ns nights when i could , ranthem in my pubs if they were big enough.quit the pubs and had more time on my hands.admittedly i lost touch a little.went to new rare soul nights, wasnt for me.nothing that was played made the hair on my neck stand up like the first time i heard sam dees lonly for you baby or dee dee sharps majestic voice on what kind of lady so i slipped back into my comfort zone.i do sometimes go to caliente in peterborough to listen to what they play but again in doesnt do it for me but again i would never ridicule them .so your childish post from you and your mate only proves a freind of mine rightly sed dont go on soulsources forom its full of pretentius bitter sad obnoxiois know all (know f*ck alls) you could ever wish to meet.last post on here from me ever no great loss you might say and i agree!

happy souling whatever your format

 

 

 

 

 

My dad used to tell me off whenever I spat my dummy out and called people names when I couldn't get my own way but then I found Soul Source and it was full off people that don't always see things how I want them to and so I just had to accept that they are always wrong.    If you can get used to that then Soul Source really ain't that bad and SOME yes SOME even have a sense of humour but you really have to look hard for them ones as they really are a rare breed and probably not originals  :hatsoff2:

 

Hang on in there and check out refosoul and all the music threads some brilliant tunes in there  :thumbsup:

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no not just come out of hibernation mate just bored.heres the thing,i would never ridicule anybody about there taste in soul.after the casino and st ives i became a pub manager so time away from work was scarce.went to ns nights when i could , ranthem in my pubs if they were big enough.quit the pubs and had more time on my hands.admittedly i lost touch a little.went to new rare soul nights, wasnt for me.nothing that was played made the hair on my neck stand up like the first time i heard sam dees lonly for you baby or dee dee sharps majestic voice on what kind of lady so i slipped back into my comfort zone.i do sometimes go to caliente in peterborough to listen to what they play but again in doesnt do it for me but again i would never ridicule them .so your childish post from you and your mate only proves a freind of mine rightly sed dont go on soulsources forom its full of pretentius bitter sad obnoxiois know all (know f*ck alls) you could ever wish to meet.last post on here from me ever no great loss you might say and i agree!

happy souling whatever your format

 

It was all going so well until the last paragraph or so.It seems nowhere is doing it for you,no music is either.Not enough young dj's,too many old ones.

You've started a thread,folks have replied to it.To finish you wish us all Happy souling.?

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My dad used to tell me off whenever I spat my dummy out and called people names when I couldn't get my own way but then I found Soul Source and it was full off people that don't always see things how I want them to and so I just had to accept that they are always wrong.    If you can get used to that then Soul Source really ain't that bad and SOME yes SOME even have a sense of humour but you really have to look hard for them ones as they really are a rare breed and probably not originals  :hatsoff2:

 

Hang on in there and check out refosoul and all the music threads some brilliant tunes in there  :thumbsup:

Bearsy. How very dare you come on here and say some people have a sense of humour, they're all miserable  :D

 

Steve

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My dad used to tell me off whenever I spat my dummy out and called people names when I couldn't get my own way but then I found Soul Source and it was full off people that don't always see things how I want them to and so I just had to accept that they are always wrong.    If you can get used to that then Soul Source really ain't that bad and SOME yes SOME even have a sense of humour but you really have to look hard for them ones as they really are a rare breed and probably not originals  :hatsoff2:

 

Hang on in there and check out refosoul and all the music threads some brilliant tunes in there  :thumbsup:

I don't have a sense of humour I'm aware of Bearsy lol  :shhh:

 

Bazza  :hatsoff2:

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Bearsy. How very dare you come on here and say some people have a sense of humour, they're all miserable  :D

 

Steve

Sorry Steve I must of got mistaken with seeing someone smile at a do recently but just been reliably informed it was just wind  :unsure:  the rest of the group was just  :g:  :g:  :g:  :g:

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How strange; how words we use can create emulation and beat the bush out of all it's content in the end. I originally (mis)read the topic title as "young"="new" BLOOD. But then others read it as "young" as opposed to "old". This IMHO is sterile. We were all young once and are bound to be old one day. I always knew about young idiots and old bastards. Not forgetting those middle age stupid people. Now why are they not being target at here ? They are the "baby boom" generation !

 

Once a young and absolute beginner, I did listen to and look up to my elder relatives to live and learn with humility and critic. And so I always understood that the mix of peopleS made the sceneS livable and entertaining rather than suffocating and boring. Wether by age, gender, shape and color. Even if it's more about the fashion, for others about the sport (dance) and for quiet some it's to do with the music. And still for too many (even if few) it's just an ego trip.

 

So here we go; there will always be room to supply haemoglobin to those who would not be ego-satisfied by enjoying and criticizing constructively the world around them. Those who can only exist by dissing others are that kind; perverted and/or frustrated narcissists. In the small world of the scene called northern soul they can either be collectors, dancers, deejays, contenders, or punters.

 

Now on the subject of "new" blood behind the desks, I agree that there should be room for them at any events actually. If they are capable to "fit-in" at the same time. They don't have to please the hardliner collector who only want to hear new sounds (to them that is) or the dancers that will only dance at white powder speed or the hipsters who will only dig the new euro-IN sounds commending big tickets. No one can please everybody at once. But playing OVO is the only way yo can be creative with what you have at home and about. Do we need those pre-fab à la "Carnaby street" northern soul outfit, record collections and artifacts ?

 

I can go to an R'n'B club and dig those 5T's & early 6T's sounds. But I don't want to hear those so called "new breed" or pop-corn sound at a proper northern soul nite. Nor hear northern at a modern do. Even if I can go anywhere. We are pleased to be surprized while we need to know what we are getting into at the same time. If I go to a venue that says 'ska, soul, groove, R'n'B & pop-corn' I will attend knowingly and won't complain about the mix of the genres.

 

If you go to your Fish & Chips stall and expect caviar, you might find that your frustration is only yours rather than anyone's bother. Get your own caviar stall then. We all did stuffs like that when we were young I thought ? I read often down here about local clubs and youth clubs. They maybe are not as glowing to a teenager eye but they can be a good place to practice...

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