A weekly which version poll..

a revived topic brought this one up

all you need to do is just select the version of these two that you enjoy the most!

this one

Sidney Barnes - I Hurt On The Other Side

or Jerry Cook

Jerry Cook - I Hurt On The Other Side

 

just voice your choice or version via the poll buttons at the top

as  always feel free to expand, explain, educate etc etc via replies below!

 

 

Always Sidney Barnes for me. Probably because it's the first version I heard. Also think S Barnes does a better job on the vocals. 

Dave 

Sid barnes for me,  it's all in the arrangement "more atmospheric "and in my opinion  that counts for everything ,conjures up a vision in the mind  👍🎶🎶🎶

Sid every time. More soulful and mellow to these cloth ears. 

Jerry cook by a long way , still sounds great now .

Jerry cook- stronger beat

Jerry Cook by a mile at first, second and last hear. This is a personal point of view following, but heart and soul do have their reasons. Masons will try everything to make you believe the heart have it's reasons that the conscience can't explain but I'm not that at all.

Sidney Barnes kinda like "moans" the tune which is only faintly recognizable as it is "melted" in a "wall" kinda sound musical steady beat accompany. Sidney on top sings 'I hurt...' but sounds just like he would say 'I'm bored...' ...at least that's how he sounds to these ears of mine.

Neither Sidney's voice nor the musical backing track manage to take me at any point really. Only the female backing vocals I find to be haunting. But that alone don't make a tune in my book. On the collector side of things, I totally understand the excitement of such a pedigree record to own though. 

Sidney's cut sounds almost like a demo cut/version to me as it doesn't fit right this most peculiar outstanding tense composition. Even his contemporary 'you'll always be in style' is all 'edge & loud' to deliver his composition in full bloom !

Where with Jerry Cook's cut the musical approach really kicks in. Memorable intro with a frantic bass attack, piano steps, drum entry and distant cavalry horns charging right at you. The odd, but IMO fantastic, vocal inclinations of Jerry Cook telling his tale with clarity not giving up into despair, is W.O.R.K.I.N.G. bA-beEe !

Another wonderful Arthur Wright arrangement job...

I rest my case !

Edited August 30, 20177 yr by tlscapital

Jerry Cook's version has to be the funkiest record MOR producer, Al DeLory ever produced.  I wonder if DeLory was even at the session, or if he was just an "executive producer", and Arthur Wright ran the entire session.  I'm guessing so.  Probably similar to Van McCoy running everything for David Kapralik.

 

I prefer Sidney's, I like sweet singing in Soul & R&B songs and Jazz vocals, rough only in Blues and Gospel.

Sidney Barnes for me, but only just.

Jerry for me, he puts the message across better, he really does hurt on the other side, Sidney is just having a little moan about it...IMHO

1 hour ago, Sue Stringer said:

Jerry cook- stronger beat

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Congratulations Sue on your first post !!!

 

Jerry by a mile - much better dancer.

Jerry Cook, much more raw and urgent, he makes the message much more believable.  Sidney's vocal is a lot more polished, but doesn't suit the song as much.

P.S. I've never really forgiven Sidney for releasing "Standing On Solid Ground".

Edited August 28, 20177 yr by Steve S 60

1 hour ago, Steve S 60 said:

Jerry Cook, much more raw and urgent, he makes the message much more believable.  Sidney's vocal is a lot more polished, but doesn't suit the song as much.

P.S. I've never really forgiven Sidney for releasing "Standing On Solid Ground".

If your ears are properly tuned it`s obvious that Jerry Cooks version is much better, real northern soul how it should be.

 

Ditto.......vile, horrible, Levine abortion!

Edited August 28, 20177 yr by Guest

Jerry Cook by a long way

ML

According to Sir Shambling https://www.sirshambling.com/artists_2012/C/jerry_cook/index.php Jerry Cook only had two records released under his name .

And this too: Posted November 12, 2008  Malc Burton said:

With thanks to a good friend , the mystery surrounding Jerry Cook has been solved .........

Jerry Cook - his real name - is alive and well , and lives in Salt Lake City Utah , USA .......

Jerry was given his chance at Capitol ( like so many others at the time ) , but unfortunately , when " I Hurt On The Other Side " failed to make an impact , he was not given a contract . He made another record - funk orientated - at the beginning of the 70s , which again failed to be successful . He is no longer associated with the music scene .........

Malc Burton

Just a wild notion but would anyone say Jerry Cook has some vocal similarity to Kennard Gardner?

 

 

 

Edited August 29, 20177 yr by sunnysoul

14 minutes ago, sunnysoul said:

According to Sir Shambling https://www.sirshambling.com/artists_2012/C/jerry_cook/index.php Jerry Cook only had two records released under his name .

Just a wild notion but would anyone say Jerry Cook has some vocal similarity to Kennard Gardner?

Love that SirShambling site owned by a gentleman. Very resourceful comprehensive informations... I didn't even know Jerry Cook had another 45 still backed-up by Mr. Arthur Wright. Even if the titles don't make the Troyxx single so appealing. Still interesting to know the team lasted a wee longer.

I hear similarities in the "phrasing" way of singing but as to the voice... the tone is not the same even if one can alter that just like that. Who is actually that chap on the Doré label under those names variation; Kennard Gardner, Kenny Garner, Kynnard, Kenard ? Could it be our Jerry Cook Northern Soul Hero under a pseudo ? 

52 minutes ago, tlscapital said:

Love that SirShambling site owned by a gentleman. Very resourceful comprehensive informations... I didn't even know Jerry Cook had another 45 still backed-up by Mr. Arthur Wright. Even if the titles don't make the Troyxx single so appealing. Still interesting to know the team lasted a wee longer.

I hear similarities in the "phrasing" way of singing but as to the voice... the tone is not the same even if one can alter that just like that. Who is actually that chap on the Doré label under those names variation; Kennard Gardner, Kenny Garner, Kynnard, Kenard ? Could it be our Jerry Cook Northern Soul Hero under a pseudo ? 

I remember Richard Searling saying on his show about 20 years ago that Jerry Cook kept German Shepherd dogs for his security business.

Sidney Barnes for me... :-)  not keen on Jerry Cook at all really 

Jerry Cook  for me , this is however one of the very few occasions   where, when a song has been recorded  by two artists ,  i like both versions .  usually one runs a far off second , but here they are both great , Jerry Cook   has a raw  soul/blues feel, but the production on the Sidney Barnes track  makes it a winner as well.

Sidney Barnes for me, if you write a song like this you should be able to offer up some of the anguish in the lyrics when singing them, providing the songwriter can sing, my second reason is it's on a nicer looking lable

Got to be Sidney. Slightly slower in tempo, (to my ears anyway), fuller production and you wouldn't need a handful of class A's to keep up.

Jerry Cook......

 There both Brilliant versions but given the choice Jerry just pips it for me, it's got that bit more get up and go to it, and from  playing both versions out Jerry is more popular with the dancers it seems.    

It's a close one two great versions but its Jerry for me

Jerry cook for me, mainly because I remember dancing to that version before I had heard the JJ one !

Like most of my records I have, they provide fading memories 

I don't have either version anymore but looking for a cheap Jerry Cook if anyone has one for sale. ? 

Neal. 

Sid for me.

Jerry cook by a mile! Still sounds as crisp as when I first heard it all those years ago.Just got to be one of the top Northern $ounds of all time.        Regards

Jerry Cook for me, first heard it at the Torch, and still kindles the memories of a stunning venue in the hazy dayz of the early Northern scene.

Sidney to jazzy where as Jerry is old school northern

my vote goes to jerry cook

 

Going for Jerry on this...one of those 'you just had to be there sounds'...for me anyway

Jerry Cook for me still a brilliant record

21 hours ago, Span said:

Jerry cook for me, mainly because I remember dancing to that version before I had heard the JJ one !

Like most of my records I have, they provide fading memories 

I don't have either version anymore but looking for a cheap Jerry Cook if anyone has one for sale. ? 

Neal. 

I have a mint reissue of Jerry Cook here Neal, yours for a tenner all in. pm me if you want it.  

 

Hi Bruv, yes I will take it thanks.

Can't remember how to pm ( technically challenged ) if you pm me with your details I will sort payment and address etc 

Thanks

Neal. 

I remember reading somewhere Sidney stating he preferred Jerry's version.

Might have something to do with royalties 

I love them both but Jerry just nicks it for me.

Sidneys take is my choice 

a close poll running at 50 - 50%

the poll auto closes monday morning so if you aint voiced your choice yet now's the time to do it

 

Always knew you know your stuff a man with taste indeed 👍🎶🎶👌

5 hours ago, mike said:

Sidneys take is my choice 

a close poll running at 50 - 50%

the poll auto closes monday morning so if you aint voiced your choice yet now's the time to do it

 

Hi Mike

The messages on here suggest 80% JC 20% SB LOL, 

ML

17 hours ago, Hooker1951 said:

Hi Mike

The messages on here suggest 80% JC 20% SB LOL, 

ML

looks like Jerrys opened up a bit of a gap now, going for the line...?

 

jerry certainly came up on the outside but sidney still does it for me.

a

Come on Sidney 

Come on Eileen!

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Edited September 3, 20177 yr by sunnysoul

One gets the feeling that if most of those who voted for Sidney Barnes were 18 years old again then the vote right about now would be something like Sidney Barnes 5% and Jerry Cook  95% ... 

Edited September 3, 20177 yr by sunnysoul

12 minutes ago, sunnysoul said:

One gets the feeling that if most of those who voted for Sidney Barnes were 18 years old again then the vote right about now would be something like Sidney Barnes 5% and Jerry Cook  95% ... 

In the same "understanding" of it; the rarity factor, which was/is inherent of the rare soul scene, comes into the ear "education"and flavor... And I understand those who might not like the Oomph ! of the Jerry Cook which would make the Sidney Barnes bare-able even if not great.

Edited September 3, 20177 yr by tlscapital

8 minutes ago, tlscapital said:

In the same "understanding" of it; the rarity factor, which is inherent of the rare soul scene, comes into the ear "education"and flavor... And I understand those who might not like the Oomph ! of the Jerry Cook which would make the Sidney Barnes bare-able even if not great.

Yep, Sidney's version is very nice although to be honest the rhythm plods along to some degree and sounds as though Leiber & Stoller left the sound microphones for the instruments in the laundry while the orchestra played in the room next door ... whereas Jerry Cook is right upfront and  just hits you in the face from the very first note and demands that you move your feet as fast as they can take you.

Matter of fact, if someone asked  "name one record that epitomises the (60's) northern soul sound" , I'd have no problem at all if they put forward Jerry Cook's record. It really stands right up there as one of the greatest dancers to ever hit the scene.

Edited September 3, 20177 yr by sunnysoul

The people who were there at The Wheel ,The Cats and The Torch when Jerry was first played I'm pretty sure would have thought there's no competition, Sidney appeals more to the smoother end Mecca etc. and pails into significance.

38 minutes ago, sunnysoul said:

One gets the feeling that if most of those who voted for Sidney Barnes were 18 years old again then the vote right about now would be something like Sidney Barnes 5% and Jerry Cook  95% ... 

One gets the feeling that the last few commenters are trying to suggest that those that voted for Sid did so because they're either old, know nothing about the rarity of records, weren't around in the old days and that you know for a fact that Jerry Cook is the better record. All of which is absolute cobblers.

In my opinion Sidney is the more soulful of the two - that's it. You can try and intelectulise it till the cows come home but you won't change my mind. 

Pete

 

35 minutes ago, bri phill said:

The people who were there at The Wheel ,The Cats and The Torch when Jerry was first played I'm pretty sure would have thought there's no competition, Sidney appeals more to the smoother end Mecca etc. and pails into significance.

I'm listening to music, not to a tune per say. I love my smoothies, lowies tempos and whisperies vocals sound as well, but only because a "smoother" version of a said tune exist, doesn't mean I'll be automatically inclined to it. In this case, I must say that I was not impressed to say the least when I first heard Sydney Barnes 'I heard on the other side'. I was even disappointed expecting too much since I knew Jerry Cook's version first and was expecting a rougher banger cut... to hear a faint munchy backing track and a Sydney mumbling something where I couldn't recognize the tune first to a point but only by the lyrics.

Edited September 3, 20177 yr by tlscapital

5 minutes ago, Peter99 said:

 

In my opinion Sidney is the more soulful of the two - that's it. You can try and intelectulise it till the cows come home but you won't change my mind. 

Pete

 

By some distance IMO

Never was a dancer ,that's why SIDS to my mind is From a musical superiority streets  Ahead 🎶🎶🎶👌

53 minutes ago, sunnysoul said:

Yep, Sidney's version is very nice although to be honest the rhythm plods along to some degree and sounds as though Leiber & Stoller left the sound microphones for the instruments in the laundry while the orchestra played in the room next door ... whereas Jerry Cook is right upfront and  just hits you in the face from the very first note and demands that you move your feet as fast as they can take you.

Matter of fact, if someone asked  "name one record that epitomises the (60's) northern soul sound" , I'd have no problem at all if they put forward Jerry Cook's record. It really stands right up there as one of the greatest dancers to ever hit the scene.